No more please

[merrySM]

Erotic stories have been a favorite of mine since a teenager when the first stories I read were in soft core
'True Crime Detective Stories' with the promise of, but never delivered sex. So over 40 years. Maybe I am jaded.
This site is fantastic. Gives budding authors a chance to exercise their skills, editors, readers, everyone benefits.
But...I have my pet peeves. SPECIFICALLY for non con or bdsm or mc. If I could put my 2 cents with the caveat given with all your wonderful stories; if you don't like what have to say you do not have to read it.
Like it or leave it. Please no more

1. You will call me Master, Mistress, or sir in the first paragraph or before there is a relationship established.
2. Slut bag, fuck toy, cum slut,etc. Once you've mentioned it no need to have it in every other sentence.
3. Take it
4. There is nothing you can do about it
5. Why equate blood and violence with bdsm
Or non consent
6. Bloody anal
7. Dry anal
8. Ripped tissue anal
(Anal is already shameful, embarrassing, humiliating, domineering, uncomfortable or can be painful even with lube, you don't have to make it violent.
9. Held the enema for an hour, (unreasonable time)
10. 100 strokes of the cane
11. Meaness for the sake of being mean, blood, any blood (unless deflowering a virgin)
BDSM, NON con etc., does NOT mean cruelty.
11. Personally bored with shaving women's private parts.
12. Clichés are 'boner' killers
13. Don't confuse bdsm, non con actions with cruel. Imho, to get it right it hits a fine line between strict authoritarian, slight cruelty a little sensual shaming.
So take this, or leave it for what it is worth. Read other stories of highly rated authors. Their pace, dialog, use of words, story telling, suspension of disbelief, all good.
Keep writing, keep improving.
Keep bringing us unmitigated joy.
LadyM

 

[sr71plt]

You aren't the only reader on Lit. Don't waste all of this effort trying to get everyone to cater to you. Take responsibility yourself for what you read and leave everyone else to their own tastes..

 

[merrySM]

Thank you for your opinion

Editors are here to help, enhance, mentor and teach. Not just correct grammar.

Copy and paste from. http://theeditorsblog.net/2011/02/01/duties-of-an-editor-how-editors-help-writers/

~ Editors are enhancers. They work to make what is good better, what is great, outstanding. They challenge writers. They challenge themselves.They are typically picky, sticklers for what they believe is right, opinionated, and determined. They often have a great eye for detail, a strong vocabulary, and knowledge of odd grammar rules.

 

[Lord_Steve]

Erotic stories have been a favorite of mine since a teenager when the first stories I read were in soft core
'True Crime Detective Stories' with the promise of, but never delivered sex. So over 40 years. Maybe I am jaded.
This site is fantastic. Gives budding authors a chance to exercise their skills, editors, readers, everyone benefits.
But...I have my pet peeves. SPECIFICALLY for non con or bdsm or mc. If I could put my 2 cents with the caveat given with all your wonderful stories; if you don't like what have to say you do not have to read it.
Like it or leave it. Please no more

1. You will call me Master, Mistress, or sir in the first paragraph or before there is a relationship established.
2. Slut bag, fuck toy, cum slut,etc. Once you've mentioned it no need to have it in every other sentence.
3. Take it
4. There is nothing you can do about it
5. Why equate blood and violence with bdsm
Or non consent
6. Bloody anal
7. Dry anal
8. Ripped tissue anal
(Anal is already shameful, embarrassing, humiliating, domineering, uncomfortable or can be painful even with lube, you don't have to make it violent.
9. Held the enema for an hour, (unreasonable time)
10. 100 strokes of the cane
11. Meaness for the sake of being mean, blood, any blood (unless deflowering a virgin)
BDSM, NON con etc., does NOT mean cruelty.
11. Personally bored with shaving women's private parts.
12. Clichés are 'boner' killers
13. Don't confuse bdsm, non con actions with cruel. Imho, to get it right it hits a fine line between strict authoritarian, slight cruelty a little sensual shaming.
So take this, or leave it for what it is worth. Read other stories of highly rated authors. Their pace, dialog, use of words, story telling, suspension of disbelief, all good.
Keep writing, keep improving.
Keep bringing us unmitigated joy.
LadyM

im at least 20 years younger than you and i agree with all of these points. a good post! the line between "dominance" and "male rape fantasy" is clear and should be respected by all parties.

 

[GforGraham]

Remove these things and all the old timers here who have become jaded with tame sex would have nothing to titillate them. But then stories involving most of what is on your list, even tamed down, would not be read by me anyway, so as it was said we can all read what we like. I am just a wimp when pain or these big domineering whatevers get in the mix, no turn on at all. I even switched channels when 50 shades adds come on tv. Well not quite that bad but close.
Oh btw even though you are new, you are allowed your opinions and you can certainly post them here. If not the mods would remove your words. Don't let the bullies tell you otherwise.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'll add one, stop using BDSM and non con together like they're the same kink.

Both have violent aspects, but in BDSM its consensual violence and what's allowed has been previously set up between the dom and the sub.

Non con the violence is a woman(or man) being forcibly taken without consent.
That C word makes a big difference to people who actually know something about BDSM.

And I think cruelty is part of the non con fetish, not over the top to where it would become hard to stomach, but rape by nature is a cruel crime. Never heard of a gentle rape...

I agree no blood should be used to describe pretty much anything, that takes away any eroticism to any act and makes it disturbing.

 

[PervOtaku]

I think for the most part, fictional BDSM isn't meant to be a depiction of real-word BDSM play so much as it is meant to evoke the same type of fantasy.

BDSM play very often includes consensual nonconsent, the submissive pretends to be unwilling as part of the fantasy. A submissive in BDSM play is carefully looked after, given a safe word, allowed limits, because going past their personal line would break the fantasy.

In fiction, you don't need consensual nonconsent, the character doesn't exist. It's all about vicarious thrills. You pretend to be unwilling in a roleplay, you read a story with a character that is unwilling. Reading about a character that pretends to be unwilling is an extra step beyond what is necessary, part of the thrill is removed.

Of course everybody has some fetish or some version of a fetish that goes beyond their personal taste, which is fine, but on the flipside there will be people that very much get off on that same fetish or version of it.

 

[Iceprincess12]

Erotic stories have been a favorite of mine since a teenager when the first stories I read were in soft core
'True Crime Detective Stories' with the promise of, but never delivered sex. So over 40 years. Maybe I am jaded.
This site is fantastic. Gives budding authors a chance to exercise their skills, editors, readers, everyone benefits.
But...I have my pet peeves. SPECIFICALLY for non con or bdsm or mc. If I could put my 2 cents with the caveat given with all your wonderful stories; if you don't like what have to say you do not have to read it.
Like it or leave it. Please no more

Am I the only one that just got all tingly with the irony here?

I deleted everything you didn't like because it's irrelevant. Your personal tastes are your own, you have a right to them but wow, I didn't realize how important you are that you had to make a post about them.

If you had singled out a specific author and gave criticism that the stories had become repetitive, stale and unimaginative...that could have been helpful. This post isn't.

if you don't like what have to say you do not have to read it.
Like it or leave it. Please no more

When people give advice, but then choose not to follow it themselves...mmmm love the irony!

 

[lovecraft68]

I think for the most part, fictional BDSM isn't meant to be a depiction of real-word BDSM play so much as it is meant to evoke the same type of fantasy.

BDSM play very often includes consensual nonconsent, the submissive pretends to be unwilling as part of the fantasy. A submissive in BDSM play is carefully looked after, given a safe word, allowed limits, because going past their personal line would break the fantasy.

In fiction, you don't need consensual nonconsent, the character doesn't exist. It's all about vicarious thrills. You pretend to be unwilling in a roleplay, you read a story with a character that is unwilling. Reading about a character that pretends to be unwilling is an extra step beyond what is necessary, part of the thrill is removed.

Of course everybody has some fetish or some version of a fetish that goes beyond their personal taste, which is fine, but on the flipside there will be people that very much get off on that same fetish or version of it.

consensual nonconsent? That's an oxymoron. I think what you might be referring to is some type of rape play? It looks non con, buts its not? If that's the case there was consent.

You just proved my point that people are trying to force the two together.

I'll go along with the fact being a free site with very few rules people will post what they want and nothing has to be accurate and can devolve into porn absurdity, but the issue with trying to allow non consent in BDSM isn't the inaccurate story, its the effect it has on people reading it.

You now have women thinking its within their dom's rules to rape them. Not good, no worse than fifty shades trying to sell women that abusive stalkers are sexy.

Now I'd say this can affect men as well, there are sadistic female tops out there who get out of line as well and shouldn't.

But here(and other sites) lit's BDSM is so pathetically inaccurate and skewed to the abuse of women that femdom which is a huge part of the real BDSM lifestyle(or has no on ever heard of a dominatrix?) that it gets killed in BDSM and has to go into fetish.

Everyone has their own opinion and this is a gripe thread so I tossed mine out there.

 

[lovecraft68]

Am I the only one that just got all tingly with the irony here?

I deleted everything you didn't like because it's irrelevant. Your personal tastes are your own, you have a right to them but wow, I didn't realize how important you are that you had to make a post about them.

If you had singled out a specific author and gave criticism that the stories had become repetitive, stale and unimaginative...that could have been helpful. This post isn't.

if you don't like what have to say you do not have to read it.
Like it or leave it. Please no more

When people give advice, but then choose not to follow it themselves...mmmm love the irony!

I see your point, but if they had called out a specific author they would have been jumped for doing so and I agree it wouldn't be fair to do that to someone especially if they can't see this to defend themselves.

I see his point as in some things here are just beat to death and it goes way past the list he posted, but its a proven fact readers here want the same story over and over. Its when you give them something new they get crazy.

In general I sense a little 'feminism' in his post, a lot of his squicks are about 'bad bdsm' and taking abuse-verbal and physical-to far.

I agree with that as well, I've been yapping about it for years which has taught me it won't change anything, but that never stops me.

 

[navycolt]

12. Clichés are 'boner' killers

I agree. I avoid clichés like the plague.

 

[MarkoAaron]

I agree about the blood anal. How is injury and blood a turn on?

 

[Harryasaboy]

Vote against it, that's all you need to do. Complaining about it only encourages them.

 

[Harryasaboy]

Sorry, I'm confused by this poll

Ok I'm a literotica newbie so If I'm going over old territory here sorry.

Is this poll about the original poster being fed up with certain thing he/she (sorry don't remember the gender) sees in the fiction?

Why isn't there a "no" option in the poll?

 

[EquinoxRising]

Ok I'm a literotica newbie so If I'm going over old territory here sorry.

Is this poll about the original poster being fed up with certain thing he/she (sorry don't remember the gender) sees in the fiction?

Why isn't there a "no" option in the poll?

In the poll, the OP is asking if his/her post is "helpful" to others.

 

[TheStarlet]

I agree. I avoid clichés like the plague.

Well played, Sir. Well played. Also, seconded!

 

[PervOtaku]

consensual nonconsent? That's an oxymoron. I think what you might be referring to is some type of rape play? It looks non con, buts its not? If that's the case there was consent.

Rape play is the extreme case, but even in a less intense dom/sub or master/slave relationship, it is well recognized that the bottom often experiences a freedom from guilt of sorts by having all their actions be "orders" they are following rather than something they "choose" to do. This goes all the way down to girls that just want their consensual partner to give them rough sex now and then. A feeling of lack of power during sex can make it extra exciting.

Consensual nonconsent is an oxymoron, but it's also a common term to describe this dynamic within the BDSM community.

You just proved my point that people are trying to force the two together.

Nobody has to force them together. They inherently relate to identical emotions. Most BDSM practitioners recognize that the entire thing is a simulation of nonconsensual situations, with the filters of "safe, sane, consensual" to keep it injury-free and within the bounds of the given bottom's fantasy.

I'll go along with the fact being a free site with very few rules people will post what they want and nothing has to be accurate and can devolve into porn absurdity,

On any site like this, the stories have to be placed within the provided categories, even if that's not ideal. And of course sometimes an author doesn't tag things the way someone else would. It's all subjective stuff at that point.

but the issue with trying to allow non consent in BDSM isn't the inaccurate story, its the effect it has on people reading it.

You now have women thinking its within their dom's rules to rape them. Not good, no worse than fifty shades trying to sell women that abusive stalkers are sexy.

Now I'd say this can affect men as well, there are sadistic female tops out there who get out of line as well and shouldn't.

But here(and other sites) lit's BDSM is so pathetically inaccurate and skewed to the abuse of women that femdom which is a huge part of the real BDSM lifestyle(or has no on ever heard of a dominatrix?) that it gets killed in BDSM and has to go into fetish.

Everyone has their own opinion and this is a gripe thread so I tossed mine out there.

There is plenty of easy to find information about real-life BDSM practices on the web, including blogs and forums where people share their experiences. Anybody interested in real-life BDSM doesn't have to rely on fictional stories as a primary information source. The stories might be the gateway into it, but I very much doubt people regard them as gospel once they've done the slightest bit of research into the real-life thing. You'd probably be hard pressed to find a sub and a dom together where neither of them have a functional awareness of how real-life BDSM works.

Look, I'm not disagreeing at all that most fictional representations of BDSM very much does not resemble the real-life counterpart. I'm just saying there's a reason for that, which is that a highly accurate portrayal of BDSM is not as exciting as an outright non-con story. And there's a reason that the two are often conflated into the same category, which is that they cater to the same desire, and possibly a non-con story may even evoke BDSM-esque emotions better than a highly accurate BDSM portrayal story does.

Here's one more way of thinking about it. If two people are going to have rape play sex (or any kind of BDSM scene really), parameters, limits, and safe words are typically (and should be) established beforehand. If two people are going to perform a rape roleplay over a web chat, it's unusual for any of that to happen. The difference is that words on a screen can't injure the girl playing as the "victim" so she will be willing to take the violence level much further. Non-con erotica fiction is just the non-interactive version of that.

 

[coochiebarber]

I don't read BDSM. Noncon, Rape and gay.

 

[merrySM]

Am I the only one that just got all tingly with the irony here?

I deleted everything you didn't like because it's irrelevant. Your personal tastes are your own, you have a right to them but wow, I didn't realize how important you are that you had to make a post about them.

If you had singled out a specific author and gave criticism that the stories had become repetitive, stale and unimaginative...that could have been helpful. This post isn't.

if you don't like what have to say you do not have to read it.
Like it or leave it. Please no more

When people give advice, but then choose not to follow it themselves...mmmm love the irony!

There is no irony. It is intuitively obvious that I stop reading the story when the 2nd paragraph jumps in with all the things I dislike. So no irony, just a non critical thinker response.

 

[ElectricBlue]

What's with all the Sleeping Beauty threads? That's two in the last hour. If no-one cared in 2016, no-one cares now. Go back to sleep!

 

[AlinaX]

I think merry's just got out of a seven-year kinbaku session.