Obama Guns OP ED

[FGB]

Josh Earnest: White House Flabbergasted, Shocked by Rising Gun Sales
By Michael van der Galien December 11, 2015

President Barack Obama's spokesman Josh Earnest said on Thursday that the White House is flabbergasted by the record number of Americans seeking to buy guns in recent weeks.

"The more that we see this kind of violence on our streets, the more people go out and buy guns," he said. "That is both ironic and tragic."

Every person with just a basic degree of common sense knows why it's happening -- Americans no longer feel safe and believe the Obama administration will try to outlaw gun sales when it can -- but sadly, no such people are part of this horrendous administration. As Earnest said when asked to explain the record sales numbers: "I don't know. I really don't know."


more... https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/1...use-flabbergasted-shocked-by-rising-gun-sales

 

[FGB]

Obama’s Executive Actions on Gun Control Are Sure to Work This Time, Right?

By Jen Kuznicki | December 11, 2015 | 5:00 PM EST


It’s official. Barack Obama’s gun control executive actions will stop mental cases and ideological murderers from killing peaceful Americans.

I mean, after all, he has never taken it upon himself to curb gun violence through executive action before, right?

Oh, but he has.

more... http://cnsnews.com/commentary/jen-k...-actions-gun-control-are-sure-work-time-right

 

[phrodeau]

The Muslims are arming. Self-defense, don't you know.

 

[Iceprincess12]

If Obama was really concerned about people buying guns, he would make a gun safety course mandatory. I would support getting trained on how to use any weapons you purchase.

To make it easier for the novice, I think the NRA should put out a to buy list of the top 10 weapons every homeowner should have for self-defense. That would spur the economy quicker than anything Obama has done.

 

[JackLuis]

If Obama was really concerned -

To make it easier for the novice, I think the NRA should put out a to buy list of the top 10 weapons every homeowner should have for self-defense. That would spur the economy quicker than anything Obama has done.

You obviously haven't read "The American Rifleman" in the last 40 years, or Guns&Ammo, Rifle, Shotgun Times, or any of the other Gun rags. Gun Makers are big users of print advertising.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If Obama was really concerned about people buying guns, he would make a gun safety course mandatory. I would support getting trained on how to use any weapons you purchase.

To make it easier for the novice, I think the NRA should put out a to buy list of the top 10 weapons every homeowner should have for self-defense. That would spur the economy quicker than anything Obama has done.

While he could issue an executive order he doesn't do that very often and certainly not on things that will piss people off and Congress won't do that and pro-gun people would never support such a thing.

10 weapons for self defense? Are you planning a zombie apocalypse? Alien invasion? As for spuring the economy Obama has kinda had his hands tied. It's impossible to know for sure if he would have spent his way out but that's what past presidents have done and what he should have done.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Virtually everyone in Washington are unplugged from reality.

 

[Iceprincess12]

You obviously haven't read "The American Rifleman" in the last 40 years, or Guns&Ammo, Rifle, Shotgun Times, or any of the other Gun rags. Gun Makers are big users of print advertising.

None of those magazines sell lipstick . I was trying for tongue in cheek about the top 10 list. Next time I will use more tongue

While he could issue an executive order he doesn't do that very often and certainly not on things that will piss people off and Congress won't do that and pro-gun people would never support such a thing.

10 weapons for self defense? Are you planning a zombie apocalypse? Alien invasion? As for spuring the economy Obama has kinda had his hands tied. It's impossible to know for sure if he would have spent his way out but that's what past presidents have done and what he should have done.

I am always mentally preparing for a zombie apocalypse! No such things as aliens. If you are subtly asking for a probe.... I have zombie killing bullets for my 9 millimeter (I think thats what it is) and the scopes for our .22 rifles (I don't know if that is the right way to say it) just came. I found out a .22 won't kill anyone, so I am not sure why we have it but...I am not the gun buyer. I just nod my head and try to remember where he puts it.

I do hope the zombies have squishy brains for easy head shots but after a few days the flies will be devouring them and laying their ravenous larvae. They won't last long. A greater need than guns may be bug spray.

I don't know what stance pro-gun people take on a safety course or a day at the range to at least fire, load your weapon and figure out if it has a safety or not. I don't think it's unreasonable for new owners to take a class. Obviously those who hunt, are in the military, blah blah, don't need a class. Susie homemaker that has never owned a gun, has no idea how to load it or what kind of bullets to buy should take a class. If not for her safety, then for the rest of us. Jungle Jim that hates guns but wants to keep up with the Jonses should as well. Similar to a driver's ed course. I know I would feel a lot better if they did. (Yes, I will be practicing shooting, loading, all of that as well)

 

[NOIRTRASH]

None of those magazines sell lipstick . I was trying for tongue in cheek about the top 10 list. Next time I will use more tongue



I am always mentally preparing for a zombie apocalypse! No such things as aliens. If you are subtly asking for a probe.... I have zombie killing bullets for my 9 millimeter (I think thats what it is) and the scopes for our .22 rifles (I don't know if that is the right way to say it) just came. I found out a .22 won't kill anyone, so I am not sure why we have it but...I am not the gun buyer. I just nod my head and try to remember where he puts it.

I do hope the zombies have squishy brains for easy head shots but after a few days the flies will be devouring them and laying their ravenous larvae. They won't last long. A greater need than guns may be bug spray.

I don't know what stance pro-gun people take on a safety course or a day at the range to at least fire, load your weapon and figure out if it has a safety or not. I don't think it's unreasonable for new owners to take a class. Obviously those who hunt, are in the military, blah blah, don't need a class. Susie homemaker that has never owned a gun, has no idea how to load it or what kind of bullets to buy should take a class. If not for her safety, then for the rest of us. Jungle Jim that hates guns but wants to keep up with the Jonses should as well. Similar to a driver's ed course. I know I would feel a lot better if they did. (Yes, I will be practicing shooting, loading, all of that as well)

I'd go one better. I'd require annual qualification for an operator's license, like with cars. If nothing else operators would stay abreast of laws, etc. You can own a car without driving it. Ditto guns.

 

[FGB]

I recently received my notice to renew my Concealed Handgun License.

I think it's mostly on line stuff...They will probably want a current Photo and information.

I really need to go bust a few caps...good stress relief.

 

[JackLuis]

I recently received my notice to renew my Concealed Handgun License.

I think it's mostly on line stuff...They will probably want a current Photo and information.

I really need to go bust a few caps...good stress relief.

I hope you can find ammo. Around here ammo is off the shelves before the clerk can restock the shelves. I understand that Ammo factories have been running 24/7 since Obama took office and still there is little ammo or reloading components available. Prices have gone ape shit too!

Some guys on the Gun forums say they have 10-20,000 rounds in their garage, just in case Obama cuts off supplies.

 

[oggbashan]

Courses or not, people can be stupid.

I recently saw a video of firing a replica 18th Century 64 pounder naval cannon. The man with the firing match stood BEHIND the cannon. Of course he was knocked flying by the recoil.

 

[JackLuis]

Courses or not, people can be stupid.

I recently saw a video of firing a replica 18th Century 64 pounder naval cannon. The man with the firing match stood BEHIND the cannon. Of course he was knocked flying by the recoil.

I saw a similar vid of some trainees firing a small (maybe 75 mm) cannon. They were all very smart standing at attention when the gunner pulled the lanyard, the loader, who was at attention behind the breech took the breach in the belly and I'll bet he never did that again!

I saw another of a Mujahadeen firing a recoiless rifle from a standing position. He learned that Recoiless Rifles , aren't.

 

[Sean Renaud]

None of those magazines sell lipstick . I was trying for tongue in cheek about the top 10 list. Next time I will use more tongue



I am always mentally preparing for a zombie apocalypse! No such things as aliens. If you are subtly asking for a probe.... I have zombie killing bullets for my 9 millimeter (I think thats what it is) and the scopes for our .22 rifles (I don't know if that is the right way to say it) just came. I found out a .22 won't kill anyone, so I am not sure why we have it but...I am not the gun buyer. I just nod my head and try to remember where he puts it.

I do hope the zombies have squishy brains for easy head shots but after a few days the flies will be devouring them and laying their ravenous larvae. They won't last long. A greater need than guns may be bug spray.

I don't know what stance pro-gun people take on a safety course or a day at the range to at least fire, load your weapon and figure out if it has a safety or not. I don't think it's unreasonable for new owners to take a class. Obviously those who hunt, are in the military, blah blah, don't need a class. Susie homemaker that has never owned a gun, has no idea how to load it or what kind of bullets to buy should take a class. If not for her safety, then for the rest of us. Jungle Jim that hates guns but wants to keep up with the Jonses should as well. Similar to a driver's ed course. I know I would feel a lot better if they did. (Yes, I will be practicing shooting, loading, all of that as well)

You can use your tongue to probe me.

Of course aliens are real, where do you think the zombie virus comes from!? On a slightly serious note I do encourage peope to have zombie survival plans and I'm mildly annoyed that the US government hasn't actually glommed onto that as something they should be pushing like we anti-smoking or drugs in the 80's and 90's.

I don't care if zombies haz squishy brains. Brainz iz always squishy. What I hope is their skulls are made of paper mache like in the Walking Dead so I can push knives through them with minimal effort. I mean shit even the little girls in S4 did casually. Just like I want vampires with soft squishy ribcages so I don't have to come up under.

As for training gun nuts would never allow it. It's no different than a gun ban.

Assuming that your reason for wanting one is to keeep safe from the government any restcition is bad. From a realistic point I don't care if you're a hunter or a Navy SEAL you take the damn course if you want a weapon. For the same reason that if you want a college degree it doesn't matter if you've personally written a book on subject X, you want a piece of paper that says you've got the chops you sit in the class pay your money and pass the tests. (I'd be willing to skip to a test. Though and think all courses should have a test at the beginning that if you pass you get full credit and go on.)

I'd go one better. I'd require annual qualification for an operator's license, like with cars. If nothing else operators would stay abreast of laws, etc. You can own a car without driving it. Ditto guns.

I'd love it. It's never gonna happen mind you.

Courses or not, people can be stupid.

I recently saw a video of firing a replica 18th Century 64 pounder naval cannon. The man with the firing match stood BEHIND the cannon. Of course he was knocked flying by the recoil.

Nothing prevents 100% of stupid. Ever. But you can minimize it.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Josh Earnest: White House Flabbergasted, Shocked by Rising Gun Sales
By Michael van der Galien December 11, 2015

President Barack Obama's spokesman Josh Earnest said on Thursday that the White House is flabbergasted by the record number of Americans seeking to buy guns in recent weeks.

"The more that we see this kind of violence on our streets, the more people go out and buy guns," he said. "That is both ironic and tragic."

Every person with just a basic degree of common sense knows why it's happening -- Americans no longer feel safe and believe the Obama administration will try to outlaw gun sales when it can -- but sadly, no such people are part of this horrendous administration. As Earnest said when asked to explain the record sales numbers: "I don't know. I really don't know."


more... https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/1...use-flabbergasted-shocked-by-rising-gun-sales

Maybe this has something to do with it:
In wake of terrorist attacks, sheriffs call on citizens to take up arms

 

[FGB]

I hope you can find ammo. Around here ammo is off the shelves before the clerk can restock the shelves. I understand that Ammo factories have been running 24/7 since Obama took office and still there is little ammo or reloading components available. Prices have gone ape shit too!

Some guys on the Gun forums say they have 10-20,000 rounds in their garage, just in case Obama cuts off supplies.

No worries.

I may have a few rounds locked up in my gun case...

 

[FGB]

‘Common-sense’ gun safety is a scam


By Jacob Sullum

Two days after the massacre in San Bernardino, Marco Rubio said something that most gun-control supporters probably thought was outrageous.

The Florida senator, who is seeking the Republican presidential nomination, told CBS News “none of the major shootings that have occurred in this country over the last few months or years” would have been prevented by the gun laws proposed in response to them.
Last week, Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler, asked to investigate Rubio’s statement by a colleague who thought “it was almost certainly incorrect,” discovered that Rubio was right. The implication, which Kessler was too polite to spell out, is that activists and politicians who push legislative responses to mass shootings are either fooling themselves or trying to fool us.

The latter seems more likely.



more... http://nypost.com/2015/12/15/common-sense-gun-safety-is-a-scam/

 

[Sean Renaud]

There have been very few actual proposals made so the idea that none of the laws proposed would have fixed anything is at best dishonest.

However mass shootings are still ultimately few and far between. If you have a problem with gun problems you should be focused on the vast majority of murders which are one offs and performed with handguns. A ban on handguns, (or a virtual one, it's not a ban technically speaking if if it's just absurdly difficult to get licensed for one.) would have a real impact on those shootings. A certain amount of those murders would still happen mind you. Some people would change over to knives and the such.

Licenses, insurance and education would likely cut down further on stupid mistakes. Every single person you put between a person and a legal firearm is one more person who might see the signs and say something. What percentage would be stopped? Who knows. Is it worth doing? Not really. Insurance would just mean there is more money to already designated to pay for the shit that does happen. Of course licenses and insurance would both create a virtual list of who does and doesn't own a firearm or at least who has access to them and if your fear is that Obama is going to throw you all in FEMA camps tomorrow the existance of such a list is a threat to you and yours. Education could easily be tossed in with K-12 however to all people.

Finally, no the former is much more likely than the latter in your argument. The reality is pro-gun control people are generally not overly well informed on firearms in any practical way. Pro-gun people refuse to step up and make practical or even symbolic matters so sooner or later they will lose their rights. All it will take is a sufficiently horrific event of people who count. Already bit by bit public opinion is turning on them.

 

[FGB]

There have been very few actual proposals made so the idea that none of the laws proposed would have fixed anything is at best dishonest.

However mass shootings are still ultimately few and far between. If you have a problem with gun problems you should be focused on the vast majority of murders which are one offs and performed with handguns. A ban on handguns, (or a virtual one, it's not a ban technically speaking if if it's just absurdly difficult to get licensed for one.) would have a real impact on those shootings. A certain amount of those murders would still happen mind you. Some people would change over to knives and the such.

Licenses, insurance and education would likely cut down further on stupid mistakes. Every single person you put between a person and a legal firearm is one more person who might see the signs and say something. What percentage would be stopped? Who knows. Is it worth doing? Not really. Insurance would just mean there is more money to already designated to pay for the shit that does happen. Of course licenses and insurance would both create a virtual list of who does and doesn't own a firearm or at least who has access to them and if your fear is that Obama is going to throw you all in FEMA camps tomorrow the existance of such a list is a threat to you and yours. Education could easily be tossed in with K-12 however to all people.

Finally, no the former is much more likely than the latter in your argument. The reality is pro-gun control people are generally not overly well informed on firearms in any practical way. Pro-gun people refuse to step up and make practical or even symbolic matters so sooner or later they will lose their rights. All it will take is a sufficiently horrific event of people who count. Already bit by bit public opinion is turning on them.

I not sure you correct on that last statement!

 

[Paul_Chance]

I not sure you correct on that last statement!

The pro-gun side is winning in the public arena.

Since Sandy Hook, gun support has grown 5% in the general public - from 47% to 52%.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/DC-Decoder/2014/1210/In-a-first-more-Americans-support-gun-rights-than-gun-control-poll-finds-video

The general objection to any sort of mandatory federal programs is a generalized fear of what the government will do with a list - that holds for universal registration or universal training. If gun owners are required to complete some form of training, and the completion of that requirement is logged somewhere, then the government has a defacto list of all gun owners.