Masculinity, what's the best kind?

[NotWise]

I think we've established that the ability to change a tire isn't a uniquely masculine trait. I've changed enough myself, so now I'm perfectly happy to have my insurance company take care of it for me.

 

[rjordan]

I am a man, and the proof is that I know how to love a woman.

I'd still ask for your ID.

rj

 

[49greg]

Ask ten people get ten definitions. I don't give it much thought. To me not being able to change a tire is being impractical not unmanly, as for physical strength? I don't think one man is more manly than the next based on weight lifting.

This shows me I have never really given it any thought. I think being a good father/husband/provider, being a responsible stand up guy, is masculine, but that would be my take.

Pumping the gas in the rain while your girl sits in the car is masculine.

I say that because all I see now is young guys sitting in the passenger seat while their girlfriend drives(because its her car, they don't even have one) and she gets out and pumps the gas while they play with their phones like pansies.

So okay, there's an example from me.

The pumping gas in the rain comment made me think about when I was walking the dog the other day, this young couple were walking their dog on the other side of the street. The dog, as dogs will, squatted and pooped. The guy stood there looking in any direction but at the poop. The woman was the one who bent over and bagged it and carried it off.

That man was NOT manly.

 

[rjordan]

Sure.

Trump's campaign is modeled on Hitler's. Identical. But Hitler was another brave lil mother fucker, especially in combat. Crazy as a shit house mouse with huge balls.

Yea, Trump's is modeled on Hitler's, both showing a lot of political courage, I'll admit. Militarily, all Trump ever saw was military high school.

Hitler saw combat in WWI, but nothing I ever read would indicate that he was all that brave in combat. He saw some early on (I don't denigrate anyone's combat experience), but was transferred to messenger duty.

A lot of the most recent research shows he was what we called a REMF. I think they use POG or pogue now. He was a regimental runner and scorned by combat troops who referred to him as an etappenschweine (rear area pig). He mostly sucked up to the brass at HQ trying to learn everything he could about military hardware and strategy.

I come from three generations of career military (Army and Navy) including my paternal grandmother who served in the Philippines in WWII. I served enough to experience my war and said, "Check, please." My dad called us Vietnam crybabies. If he were alive, I doubt he would acknowledge Trump as worthy of discussion.

Anyway, overstepping the boundaries of the thread a bit.

rj

 

[rjordan]

The pumping gas in the rain comment made me think about when I was walking the dog the other day, this young couple were walking their dog on the other side of the street. The dog, as dogs will, squatted and pooped. The guy stood there looking in any direction but at the poop. The woman was the one who bent over and bagged it and carried it off.

That man was NOT manly.

So, she was?

rj

 

[49greg]

So, she was?

rj

She was a put-upon woman who was willing to do what her "man" wouldn't.

 

[legerdemer]

Fun that you should claim "proof" of anything out of thin air on the Internet in a fake name.

Well, you've swallowed the Kool-Aid put out by a certain brand of woman. Which doesn't surprise me. There are a lot of those women here--and men with the Kool-Aid dripping from the corner of their mouths.

The topic is masculinity. It doesn't all have to do with a relationship to a woman--unless you've drunk that brand of Kool-Aid, which, apparently, you have. Men aren't totally defined by their relationship to women--except in the minds of certain women and men who have drunk their Kool-Aid.

Did you realize, by the way, that your avatar is lesbian? Not feeling too masculine today, I take it?

I assume you define femininity in terms of what a woman will do for her man(?)

LOL - yep, AlwaysHungry's a man. As masculine as they come. He gets my seal of approval any day.

And in case you go there, no, I didn't stalk him and he didn't stalk me.

Hey, AH.

 

[sr71plt]

LOL - yep, AlwaysHungry's a man. As masculine as they come. He gets my seal of approval any day.

And in case you go there, no, I didn't stalk him and he didn't stalk me.

Hey, AH.

He's drunk the Kool-Aid then of it all being about women.

Guess you'll have to tell him what the greater definitions of masculinity are--unless you're one of the ones who's fed him the Kool-Aid of it all being about the relationship with women.

(And I still say that his avatar is lesbian.)

 

[legerdemer]

Male = having the XY (and the rarer XYY) combination of chromosomes

Masculinity is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, IMH female opinion, it's about having strength enough not to be defensive. Not afraid to admit you're wrong, and doing it without shame. To some extent about physical strength, but not entirely, nor even mostly.

Has nothing to do with sexuality. Gay men can be and plenty are masculine.

And did I mention not liking to ask for directions?

 

[legerdemer]

He's drunk the Kool-Aid then of it all being about women.

Guess you'll have to tell him what the greater definitions of masculinity are--unless you're one of the ones who's fed him the Kool-Aid of it all being about the relationship with women.

(And I still say that his avatar is lesbian.)

Ummm I never knew avatars had sexual preferences. Personally, I like his avatar. And he was well educated before I met him. I don't need to teach him a thing in that regards.

 

[sr71plt]

Ummm I never knew avatars had sexual preferences. Personally, I like his avatar. And he was well educated before I met him. I don't need to teach him a thing in that regards.

The woman in the avatar is licking a long-established symbol of a woman's vagina. Did you take Art 101?

 

[legerdemer]

The woman in the avatar is licking a long-established symbol of a woman's vagina. Did you take Art 101?

Nope, no I didn't. In fact I took no 101's at all - tested out of them.

But the point is, it doesn't matter.

 

[sr71plt]

Nope, no I didn't. In fact I took no 101's at all - tested out of them.

But the point is, it doesn't matter.

Sure it does in identifying posters. At least ones who don't want to hide their orientation so that they later can say, "Well, I'm not . . ."

Methinks you protest too much (and are promoting making it matter). I notice that you posted a definition of "masculinity" that flies in the face of what he posted--and agrees with the point I made.

And I'm waiting to learn if, to be consistent, he thinks that femininity is about the woman pleasing her man, which is just the flip side of what he posted that masculinity was.

 

[NotWise]

Embrace violence as a means to settle disputes. When a guy is okay with it, he passed the test.

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I was offended when you first wrote this. Pitty me.

I can embrace violence as a course to defend your wife or your family -- not really as a means of settling disputes. It is just stupid adolescent violence otherwise. Hey, but then I'm a Romantic, regardless of what the regular readers in the Romance category might think.

 

[rjordan]

He's drunk the Kool-Aid then of it all being about women.

Guess you'll have to tell him what the greater definitions of masculinity are--unless you're one of the ones who's fed him the Kool-Aid of it all being about the relationship with women.

(And I still say that his avatar is lesbian.)

From the avatar, I thought he was a woman. But then someone could look at mine and think I was an endangered tricolor blackbird.

rj

 

[sr71plt]

From the avatar, I thought he was a woman. But then someone could look at mine and think I was an endangered tricolor blackbird.

rj

The former, of course, would be natural for someone to infer from that avatar. The latter, not so much.

There's a certain fun irony in a poster puffing up about his "proven" masculinity while using a lesbian avatar.

 

[sr71plt]

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I was offended when you first wrote this. Pitty me.

I can embrace violence as a course to defend your wife or your family -- not really as a means of settling disputes. It is just stupid adolescent violence otherwise. Hey, but then I'm a Romantic, regardless of what the regular readers in the Romance category might think.

Since JBJ's primary objective is to irritate regardless of the logic involved, he, of course, won with you on that one.

 

[NotWise]

I'll give y'all this true life definition of masculinity.

My brother-in-law's girlfriend had her lungs collapse. She was ill at the time and he was taking care of her. He drove to the hospital down the freeway at break-neck speeds with her between him and the steering wheel, trying to drive and keep her alive by breathing into her mouth at the same time.

It worked. They raised three kids. After a successful career he moved his wife back to where she came from -- a quiet place in the red mesa's of eastern New Mexico.

When her father was dying they took care of him in the home that my brother-in-law built with his own hands. From the window of her father's bedroom--if you knew where to look--you could see the ruins of the home where generations of her family were born and buried.

Her father was buried there by the house where he was born. The ranchers from miles around came to hew his grave out of the rock, then they covered him again.

My brother-in-law's ranch is "The Full Circle" ranch. His brand is a rocking R.

I'll throw my hands up and ask, what is more masculine than that?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Well, you've swallowed the Kool-Aid put out by a certain brand of woman. Which doesn't surprise me. There are a lot of those women here--and men with the Kool-Aid dripping from the corner of their mouths.

You don't seem to like women much. It may be that you identify as homosexual, and you find my arguments to be "heterosexist." If the shoe fits, I may have to wear it. But my reasoning is simple: in this day and age, it's ridiculous to imagine that a woman can't operate power tools, drive an 18-wheeler, or do any of the other things that used to be associated with machismo. There is only one qualitative difference between a man and a woman, and that is the different sexual function. It can be a challenge for a man to relate successfully to women, to be confident and comfortable with them, to love them. The ones who rise to the challenge are, IMHO, very masculine. So sue me.

 

[AKentuckyLady]

Pumping the gas in the rain while your girl sits in the car is masculine.

I say that because all I see now is young guys sitting in the passenger seat while their girlfriend drives(because its her car, they don't even have one) and she gets out and pumps the gas while they play with their phones like pansies.

So okay, there's an example from me.

LC, I really want to know how you are acquainted with my soon to be ex husband.

That was fucking creepy.

 

[sr71plt]

You don't seem to like women much. It may be that you identify as homosexual, and you find my arguments to be "heterosexist." If the shoe fits, I may have to wear it. But my reasoning is simple: in this day and age, it's ridiculous to imagine that a woman can't operate power tools, drive an 18-wheeler, or do any of the other things that used to be associated with machismo. There is only one qualitative difference between a man and a woman, and that is the different sexual function. It can be a challenge for a man to relate successfully to women, to be confident and comfortable with them, to love them. The ones who rise to the challenge are, IMHO, very masculine. So sue me.

Ah, that old chestnut. I like women just fine--ones that don't try to emasculate and reupholster men to their own preferences. Most women don't; some female posters here do, and some male posters drink their Kool-Aid (most likely to get into their panties in some way). I've been happily married for 47 years, for instance. Your original post came across as being by one of those emasculating women. Your avatar screamed lesbian (and a good many lesbians posting here are man haters.) I take it that you are oblivious to the symbolism in the avatar image you stole from somewhere. Your original post defined masculinity solely by a man's service to women. You wrote that. Try to own it without making irrelevant side charges. Everything you write in your quoted post is totality irrelevant to anything I've posted here. Nice try, but no banana. So, buzz off.

You haven't answered whether you thereby define femininity in terms of what a woman does for her man. Make an effort to be consistent.

 

[BrooksBrother]

I am the very model of a perfect masculinity,
For I can change a tire and sermonize on Christ's divinity,
I own a gun (well, several), and know my right to stand my ground
And passed the law that mandated those pre-abortion ultrasounds.
My flag of choice is Stars and Bars, the flag of the Confed'racy
And 9/11, JFK? They're both types of conspiracy.
My hat is tin, my 'copters black, my voice is voiced by Limbaugh, Rush.
I'm old, I'm white, I'm male, and I'm now really feeling querulous.

But I'm the Master of My House, although my wife would not agree.
I guess she earns the most, but I'm the one who's grown a fine goatee,
and nothing is more masculine than prominent, thick facial hair.
(Unless it's how I cheat on her with that French girl who's our au pair.)
It's difficult these days to be, you know, a real manly man,
A guy who pays the bills and rules the roost, yet knows the films at Cannes.
In short, my life's now difficult. I ask my wife, "Forget, forgive."
But I don't really mean it--I'm a Tea Party Conservative.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I am the very model of a perfect masculinity,
For I can change a tire and sermonize on Christ's divinity,
I own a gun (well, several), and know my right to stand my ground
And passed the law that mandated those pre-abortion ultrasounds.
My flag of choice is Stars and Bars, the flag of the Confed'racy
And 9/11, JFK? They're both types of conspiracy.
My hat is tin, my 'copters black, my voice is voiced by Limbaugh, Rush.
I'm old, I'm white, I'm male, and I'm now really feeling querulous.

But I'm the Master of My House, although my wife would not agree.
I guess she earns the most, but I'm the one who's grown a fine goatee,
and nothing is more masculine than prominent, thick facial hair.
(Unless it's how I cheat on her with that French girl who's our au pair.)
It's difficult these days to be, you know, a real manly man,
A guy who pays the bills and rules the roost, yet knows the films at Cannes.
In short, my life's now difficult. I ask my wife, "Forget, forgive."
But I don't really mean it--I'm a Tea Party Conservative.

^^^^^TEX posing as a man.

 

[TxRad]

^^^^^TEX posing as a man.

^^^^^ You posting as an idiot.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I came upon a term that applies to modern guys: UNHUNG HEROES.