Angels/demons/sci-fi... stuff.

[Chickenchowmein]

Okay, what follows is just a kind of rough outline for the background of a story that I have in mind. Let me know what you think. All comments, suggestions, and questions are welcome:

In the late twenty-second century mankind made a startling discovery. Angels and Demons were real. Not myths and legends but two ancient alien races, at war with eachother since the earliest recordings of either race. Whereas their eternal battle had once only occasionally brought the two races to Earth, the destruction of each of their respective home worlds by the other race had now left both desperate for a new home. Earth and it's numerous colonies seemed like the natural choice for both. Desperate for resources, they both descended on the unsuspecting human worlds. However, in the decades since their war had last scarred Earth humanity had united. No longer devided, bickering states, the Order of Humanity had risen to govern them all. Battles stretched on for months, and what at first seemed like an easy conquest for whoever reached it first was now a desperate retreat. Eventually the two bitter enemies even joined forces. But as resources dwindled the starving, beaten armies of Angel and Demon - kind were finally forced to surrender and submit to whatever treatment the Order deemed fit.

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[inkyprimal]

Makes sense to me - I've heard of stories implying that they have sci-fi origins rather than supernatural ones before. I'd be interested in reading it, particularly if it ends with humans on the upper-hand rather than the supernatural forces for once.

 

[NotWise]

Sounds pretty cool, but I don't know about 3-way wars. They're hard to win -- it's even hard to imagine a winner.

 

[Hypoxia]

Sounds pretty cool, but I don't know about 3-way wars. They're hard to win -- it's even hard to imagine a winner.

That's easy. A and the weaker B ally against C. A and the conquered C then turn against B. That's what happened in the Balkan Wars ca. 1910. Who won? Doesn't matter -- those skirmishes were drowned by WWI.

So in a 3-way Humans vs Angels vs Demons war, Humans could ally with either alien group, smash the other, then smash their former ally. And following the historical precedent, those tussles will be only a foreshadowing of The Big One, some monstrous struggle of Good vs Evil vs Indolence.

Indolence? I recall some old preacher chanting, "Ya gotta run hot or ya gotta run cold or the Good Lord will spit you from His mouth!" I.e. don't straddle the fence. Good and Evil wage holy battle against Don't Give A Shit. Something like that.

 

[Chickenchowmein]

I was thinking more along the lines of having the story pick up after the conflict and follow the exploits (exploitations?) of some of the demons and angels, following the fall of their peoples. I like the idea of playing with the different kinds of demons in particular. Maybe have a succubus/temptress who HAS to have sex often and it leads to numerous situations when she finds herself in the middle of a human colony.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Hard to imagine a three way war? Seriously go look up what actually happened in WWII. It's really more accurate to call WWII two mostly separate wars to begin with.

Here's the snag I see with this. What are we doing with angels and demons for starters that makes them important and how did we get out of hand anyway?

 

[HandsInTheDark]

1. Any races advanced enough to look supernatural to humans have a pretty vast headstart on humans, technologically. Humans aren't going to win any wars with them even if they wear each other down. And it's not like you can't find resources aplenty if you can do space travel, so why tussle over earth?

2. If your angels look like Victoria Secret angels, you get no respect. Aliens shouldn't look human. (Angels in actual religions have some kind of shapeshifting ability so they sometimes appear human, but they never show up as hot babes. It's hard to explain why any alien would ever want to be a hot babe.)

3. Babylon 5 beat you to the whole idea by years. Seriously, it's the core concept of the show, except they had the angels and demons leave for new pastures (and leave the universe to humanity), rather than have ultrapowerful races beaten up by one little human race.

You just want humans to make demons fuck angels. It's probably easier to stick to existing mythology and deal with succubi and incubi instead.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

Did you get this idea from a very similar Reddit "Story Prompt" thread?

 

[Sean Renaud]

1. How they look really has nothing to do with how technologically advanced they are nor if they can lose "wars" to humans. Being on the ass end of no where and unable to replenish troops and supplies counts for a LOT. Though that may or may not qualify as a WAR to the space faring species.

I do agree with the why Earth part. Either we have something unique and they should be fighting here all the time or we don't and shouldn't get more than a passing glance.

2. Aliens in fiction always look human. The real reason is budgetary but there could be all sorts of reasons. Maybe humans ARE aliens or sufficiently close that this is the most likely format because it's the one that actually works. Kinda like Sharks, Dolphins and Plesiosaurs all look very similar despite being about as distantly related as three critters can be while all being vertebrates. The proper term is parallel evolution which is just gobbledegook for maybe being bipedal with arms to manipulate your enviornment is the simplest format that works.

Its certainly good enough for 99% of scifi.

3. That's basically how Stargate worked too if I recall.

Exactly correct on sticking to the traditional mythology. But I'm trying to cess out if there is something else here. In the Doom (like the video games) novelizations the reasons the aliens look like demons is because the actual aliens visited Earth hundreds of years ago, looked at our myths and said "this shit scares them to death! Go make those in the labs!" Then came back. They only lost because apparently humans advance technologically stupid fast. So they prepped to fight people with swords and the occasional crossbow and showed up and we were packing automatic rifles. (Though in true case of there is no kill like overkill they came suprisingly close to victory via just making things way more bad ass than they needed to be.)

 

[Hypoxia]

1. Any races advanced enough to look supernatural to humans have a pretty vast headstart on humans, technologically. Humans aren't going to win any wars with them even if they wear each other down. And it's not like you can't find resources aplenty if you can do space travel, so why tussle over earth?

2. If your angels look like Victoria Secret angels, you get no respect. Aliens shouldn't look human. (Angels in actual religions have some kind of shapeshifting ability so they sometimes appear human, but they never show up as hot babes. It's hard to explain why any alien would ever want to be a hot babe.)

3. Babylon 5 beat you to the whole idea by years. Seriously, it's the core concept of the show, except they had the angels and demons leave for new pastures (and leave the universe to humanity), rather than have ultrapowerful races beaten up by one little human race.

You just want humans to make demons fuck angels. It's probably easier to stick to existing mythology and deal with succubi and incubi instead.

All valid points. But LIT authors make shit up. Some of the shit we make up adheres to non-standard rules or we make up our own rules. If we say angels and demons are exhausted post-interstellar races, they are. They are whatever we say they are. Consistency is the only requirement.

Maybe they're terrestrial species of parallel evolution, Earth's Elder Races, now driven into hiding like sasquatches, yetis, selkies, and centaurs. Angels and demons may be rival factions of one race now degenerated in parasitism. Both depend on draining spiritual energy from humans -- demons suck up our sexual and life energies, angels siphon-off our bad vibes, something like that. Both are necessary to maintain human equilibrium. Extinction of any spells doom for all. Thus it's an endless battle with many opportunities for pervy fun.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

1. How they look really has nothing to do with how technologically advanced they are nor if they can lose "wars" to humans. Being on the ass end of no where and unable to replenish troops and supplies counts for a LOT. Though that may or may not qualify as a WAR to the space faring species.

I do agree with the why Earth part. Either we have something unique and they should be fighting here all the time or we don't and shouldn't get more than a passing glance.

2. Aliens in fiction always look human. The real reason is budgetary.

In *visual* fiction they look human, because yes of budget. The only reason to make an alien appear human in a story is so you can have sex with it, in which case it's not really aliens you're talking about, it's symbolic of something else, and the point is the sex.

>Its certainly good enough for 99% of scifi.

But so much of that is trash (and I say it as a fan of sci fi).

>3. That's basically how Stargate worked too if I recall.

Speaking of trash...

Anyway. Traditional angels and demons (from the religion I know best) don't have clearly stated goals and we have no idea if humanity is their sole focus or one issue among many for them. They show up extremely rarely, they interact with humans even more rarely, but the main thing is that they're never sexual. Sure, mythology springs up and makes demons sexual tempters (succubi, etc), but it never shows up in the core beliefs. (Islam might come closer to what you're looking for. Maybe.)

So what you're talking about isn't really demons and angels at all, at least not if this is about demons fucking female angels. Innocence Abused isn't an uncommon theme, and it can be hot, but why drag specifically Christian symbols into it when that's not really where you are heading?

Sometimes a hot alien babe is just a hot alien babe.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's not Christian mythology though, ignoring that demons of various types are fairly universal. Sure you can tell Japanese Oni from native American Wendigo but both are depicted visually in a way that is fairly consistent with Biblical demons but also because Christianity is the dominant religion in the Western world for better or worse. You're basically asking why have Kings and Knights when Emperors and Jaguar Warriors will do just as well. They won't because well maybe Emperors not so much but Westerners don't associate much of anything with Jaguar Warriors and what little they do certainly isn't about nobility and honor.

And I agree that sometimes a space babe is just a space babe I and want to know why this guy wants space angels when that sounds like an extra and stupid step to me.

 

[Chickenchowmein]

Wow... was not expecting to start a religious/mythological debate. But I've definitely gotten a lot of good ideas useful (if a little over zealous) criticism. Above all, I'm just really impressed with the level of maturity. I mean, I was really iffy about even joining this forum just become I was afraid it would just be full of, teenagers talking about their junk or something.

Oh, and I don't plan on having demons and angels fuck. They will get fucked. By humans. A lot. Fucked and fucked over and then fucked again. But, you know, I'll use better words. LoL.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The story ideas board is fairly mellow all things considered. This is about as out of hand as we really get in conversations. AT least as long as you don't accidentally on purpose introduce politics. (Blah blah blah once we had someone bring up how a president didn't do their job and Islam and China formed an alliance and took over the globe enslaving Americans and then Mad Max happened. Needless to say that got ugly but knowing the OP it was intended to.) Anyway.

You're the OP here we kinda need a heads up because I don't really understand why you want this backstory instead of the "typical" aliens show up an introduce us to the universe and we go from there. That extra step is kinda important.

 

[LadyVer]

Okay, what follows is just a kind of rough outline for the background of a story that I have in mind. Let me know what you think. All comments, suggestions, and questions are welcome:

In the late twenty-second century mankind made a startling discovery. Angels and Demons were real. Not myths and legends but two ancient alien races, at war with eachother since the earliest recordings of either race. Whereas their eternal battle had once only occasionally brought the two races to Earth, the destruction of each of their respective home worlds by the other race had now left both desperate for a new home. Earth and it's numerous colonies seemed like the natural choice for both. Desperate for resources, they both descended on the unsuspecting human worlds. However, in the decades since their war had last scarred Earth humanity had united. No longer devided, bickering states, the Order of Humanity had risen to govern them all. Battles stretched on for months, and what at first seemed like an easy conquest for whoever reached it first was now a desperate retreat. Eventually the two bitter enemies even joined forces. But as resources dwindled the starving, beaten armies of Angel and Demon - kind were finally forced to surrender and submit to whatever treatment the Order deemed fit.

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I like the idea.

 

[Chickenchowmein]

Well, I've just about pounded out the first chapter of my story. Unfortunately, I do most of my story writing on my smartphone with a bluetooth keyboard, and have yet to find a really good word processor. I've tried Polaris Office 5 and MS Word, and both have features that I like, but neither really seem to do the job as well as I'd like. Any suggestions?

 

[Chickenchowmein]

Alright, first chapter is posted. Would love to get some thoughts and opinions. Bare in mind, its my first attempt. So be gentle. More and (much) more explicit to come. Thx!

https://www.literotica.com/s/angels-and-demons-ch-01

 

[silverwingeddemon]

Nice start...more detail

Alright, first chapter is posted. Would love to get some thoughts and opinions. Bare in mind, its my first attempt. So be gentle. More and (much) more explicit to come. Thx!

https://www.literotica.com/s/angels-and-demons-ch-01

It was well done, if a little short. On your next chapter describe your temptress a bit more (you described her ass, tits, and slit, but what color was her skin? Does she have horns like her father? What color were her eyes? How did it feel to have her tail pulled? Like most stories the devil is in the details...lol.
(Of course I'm a bit of a hypocrit as in my own story I deliberately left out any defining features on my main character for a reason, so you may have your own.)
Overall it was a nice prelude, and I can see this line going a few different ways, and it will be interesting to see which way you take. Good Luck, and keep writing

 

[Chickenchowmein]

Thanks for all the encouragement, ya'll. With any luck, my next chapter will be as tasty as my name.

 

[Aella_]

I liked the idea too.
For some reason it gave me similar vibes to the tv series "Battlestar Galactica", which I love.
The 'aliens' in BTG looked pretty much like humans; they were in fact some sort of hybrids between robots and cloned humans.
I'd like the idea of such a cold/rational/robotic-like alien being exposed to new human experiences (smell, touch, erotic etc.), leading to an awakening of their dormant human half. (either in the form of new emotions, or of memories of the human they were cloned after). Or something in that line.