San Bernadino

[oggbashan]

What you mean to say is that nobody in America really gives a shit about these wars. The costs are just numbers we see plastered in campaigns not actual THINGS. Nobody is being asked to give up their nylons for the war effort. We're not collecting cars to make new tanks and planes. The numbers of our sons and daughters dying in this war are low in the grand scheme of things. ...

My family lost relations in WW1 and 2.

My parents lost their home to a Zeppelin Bomb in World War 1. My uncle and aunt lost their home to a German bomb in 1940.

My wider family lost friends on 9/11 and before that to the IRA's mainland bombing campaign in London.

Our town's war memorials have names from the Boer War, World War 1 and 2, Korea, The Falklands, Iraq and Afghanistan. Most of those names are from families who still live here. Remembrance Day means remembering family.

All around our town garden walls show the stumps of cast iron railings cut off during WW2 to provide metal for the war effort. Our infants school still has the temporary air raid shelters that would have been absolutely useless if a bomb had dropped within 50 yards of them.

Not very far away is Dover. That town still has the scars of the long range guns firing from France during WW2, the naval bombardments in WW1, the bombs dropped by Gotha in WW1 and by the Nazis in WW2.

War viewed from England is very close. Last week I met a local man who was injured by an air raid during WW2 while he was in his first year at school. He still has shrapnel in his body from that bombing.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

obama sold America out. we must ship obama off to cuba

 

[Sean Renaud]

My family lost relations in WW1 and 2.

My parents lost their home to a Zeppelin Bomb in World War 1. My uncle and aunt lost their home to a German bomb in 1940.

My wider family lost friends on 9/11 and before that to the IRA's mainland bombing campaign in London.

Our town's war memorials have names from the Boer War, World War 1 and 2, Korea, The Falklands, Iraq and Afghanistan. Most of those names are from families who still live here. Remembrance Day means remembering family.

All around our town garden walls show the stumps of cast iron railings cut off during WW2 to provide metal for the war effort. Our infants school still has the temporary air raid shelters that would have been absolutely useless if a bomb had dropped within 50 yards of them.

Not very far away is Dover. That town still has the scars of the long range guns firing from France during WW2, the naval bombardments in WW1, the bombs dropped by Gotha in WW1 and by the Nazis in WW2.

War viewed from England is very close. Last week I met a local man who was injured by an air raid during WW2 while he was in his first year at school. He still has shrapnel in his body from that bombing.

I'm not really sure what to do with this. Even those wars were different for Americans than what snugglestruggle is attempting to depict. I think if Americans had experiences more similar to yours we might be a little slower to go but maybe not. There is a huge difference between YOUR house and YOUR neighborhood being under the threat of attack and just bombing other people. There is a reason by boots on the ground is such a huge deal to us because it's not real at all until as Righties are fond of saying there is "skin in the game." and while yes pilots go down that just doesn't congatively qualify for most.

 

[oggbashan]

I'm not really sure what to do with this. Even those wars were different for Americans than what snugglestruggle is attempting to depict. I think if Americans had experiences more similar to yours we might be a little slower to go but maybe not. There is a huge difference between YOUR house and YOUR neighborhood being under the threat of attack and just bombing other people. There is a reason by boots on the ground is such a huge deal to us because it's not real at all until as Righties are fond of saying there is "skin in the game." and while yes pilots go down that just doesn't congatively qualify for most.

When it comes to participating in a war, even an aerial war, British politicians since Tony Blair are more reluctant to agree - because the justification for Iraq 2 was oversold to the public.

The Falklands? That was different. Argentina invaded our territory with no reasonable case in international law. If Argentina's claim to The Falkland Islands was justifed, many modern countries would have to have their boundaries redrawn on stronger grounds, including the US with Mexico and Canada. They also invaded South Georgia and they had no claim on that at all.

But in the 21st Century? We can see the impact of war in our living rooms and on our mobile phones. It isn't far away - it's in front of us or even in our hands. When most British people have parents or grandparents who suffered during WW2 it does bring home the fact that all wars have a price both for winners and losers.

 

[Sean Renaud]

With all due respect I think that is a difference of perspective, though I didn't mean to imply that winners don't have consequences. I meant to say being removed from the situation allows for a different and perhaps innaccurate view of things. To the best of my knowledge nobody in my family was lost in any recent war. My parents have memories of nuke drills the same as I do of earthquake drills but that's as far as it goes.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Hitler stabbed his ALLY in the back...

You know, chief, you say a lot of ignorant things here.

Calling Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia "ALLIES" might be the stupidest thing posted on this board in a month, which is quite an achievement considering your bro Ishmael is off his meds.

Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany had a non-aggression treaty. See: (Molotov-VonRibbetrop Pact)

 

[Sean]

I'm not really sure what to do with this. Even those wars were different for Americans than what snugglestruggle is attempting to depict. I think if Americans had experiences more similar to yours we might be a little slower to go but maybe not. There is a huge difference between YOUR house and YOUR neighborhood being under the threat of attack and just bombing other people. There is a reason by boots on the ground is such a huge deal to us because it's not real at all until as Righties are fond of saying there is "skin in the game." and while yes pilots go down that just doesn't congatively qualify for most.

It's kind of the difference between how the septics and Europeans view terrorism. There is barely a European country that hasn't been subject to terrorist attacks since WW2. During the 70's, 80's and into the 90's, Britain was subject to Irish Republican attacks on what was almost a weekly basis. 9/11 was a wake up call to the US, but Europeans had already been awake for decades.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Given how Ireland is not in the stone age I suspect American "awake" and European "awake" have slightly different definitions no?

 

[snugglestruggle]

I'm not really sure what to do with this. Even those wars were different for Americans than what snugglestruggle is attempting to depict. I think if Americans had experiences more similar to yours we might be a little slower to go but maybe not. There is a huge difference between YOUR house and YOUR neighborhood being under the threat of attack and just bombing other people. There is a reason by boots on the ground is such a huge deal to us because it's not real at all until as Righties are fond of saying there is "skin in the game." and while yes pilots go down that just doesn't congatively qualify for most.

Your just dense.

 

[Sean]

Your just dense.

His just dense what?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I love grammar nazi! At least when he's on my team!

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I love grammar nazi! At least when he's on my team!

Don't make jokes about you're density. It what's keep you on the ground.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Nuh uh! My faith in God or awesome keeps me on the ground! I saw Antman! He could control his density but when he made giant ants and toys they didn't weigh the same thing like they should have! Altering the density of the atoms and thus it's volume and density shouldn't change it's mass! An ant that big should be lighter than air. So now that Marvel owns the unverse I'm awesome.

 

[allateup]

It's kind of the difference between how the septics and Europeans view terrorism. There is barely a European country that hasn't been subject to terrorist attacks since WW2. During the 70's, 80's and into the 90's, Britain was subject to Irish Republican attacks on what was almost a weekly basis. 9/11 was a wake up call to the US, but Europeans had already been awake for decades.

Sirhan Sirhan, in the name of the PLO, assassinated probably the next American president at the time in 1968, in Los Angeles, California, USA.

Which also, of course, was only 3 decades before 9/11.

Good thing we slept right through that, eh wannabe?

 

[snugglestruggle]

His just dense what?

He assumes I have no sense of what the War (WW2) was like in Europe vs todays warfare . I have relatives that lived in Nazi occupied France and lived to tell what it was like. So short of actually being there in 1940-1945, I have a better POR than most.

 

[oggbashan]

Sirhan Sirhan, in the name of the PLO, assassinated probably the next American president at the time in 1968, in Los Angeles, California, USA.

Which also, of course, was only 3 decades before 9/11.

Good thing we slept right through that, eh wannabe?

The IRA and Provisional IRA killed between 1,700 and 1,800 people in a campaign lasting decades.

 

[allateup]

The IRA and Provisional IRA killed between 1,700 and 1,800 people in a campaign lasting decades.

So?

The wannabe point was offered that America was asleep to terrorism until 9/11 just because we hadn't been attacked on American soil as much as you europukes had (which also totally discounts the technical American soil of the US embassy in Tehran, circa 1979, and the US barracks in 1983 Beirut, eg).

If you're going to flat-out lie about whom you have on ignore, you could at least stick to the relevant point(s) when you betray yourself.

 

[oggbashan]

So?

The wannabe point was offered that America was asleep to terrorism until 9/11 just because we hadn't been attacked on American soil as much as you europukes had (which also totally discounts the technical American soil of the US embassy in Tehran, circa 1979, and the US barracks in 1983 Beirut, eg).

If you're going to flat-out lie about whom you have on ignore, you could at least stick to the relevant point(s) when you betray yourself.

Lie? I'm not lying. Someone quoted the only person I have on Ignore - and it isn't you in this alt.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Lie? I'm not lying. Someone quoted the only person I have on Ignore - and it isn't you in this alt.

When Flameout is doing his ad-hoc shows on stage and wants to believe his performance is actually good, he misses out on the more obvious nuances from the audience.

 

[allateup]

Lie? I'm not lying. Someone quoted the only person I have on Ignore - and it isn't you in this alt.

Save your back waddling spiel for your gullible fans.