San Bernadino

You pretend not to know? While, at the same time, the pure word made you a muslim comprehensior? And JBJ loses his mind?

Hard to believe.

OK, you really don't have nothing of any value to contribute on the subject. You're just flapping your lips.

Ishmael
 
OK, you really don't have nothing of any value to contribute on the subject. You're just flapping your lips.

What about this one: According to parts of the history of Pakistan, Pakistanis are multiple times more suspect to be terrorists or their supporters than Syrians, but the US takes 3 times more Pakistanis every month? Why?

You grandpas all go mad about the answer: the relations to the US makes it easier for Pakistanis to enter the US than people from the UK.

This San Bernadino guy was a sleeper who lost head. Who cares? If he was Syrian, it would skyrocket the news. The reporter's storm on his house was as good organized as the storm on the Stasi central in the Normannenstrasse in Berlin 1990.



Awaiting your soft-pedal.
 
What about this one: According to parts of the history of Pakistan, Pakistanis are multiple times more suspect to be terrorists or their supporters than Syrians, but the US takes 3 times more Pakistanis every month? Why?

You grandpas all go mad about the answer: the relations to the US makes it easier for Pakistanis to enter the US than people from the UK.

This San Bernadino guy was a sleeper who lost head. Who cares? If he was Syrian, it would skyrocket the news. The reporter's storm on his house was as good organized as the storm on the Stasi central in the Normannenstrasse in Berlin 1990.



Awaiting your soft-pedal.

Who the fuck cares? I don't. 99% of the worlds terrorists are Muslim, doesn't matter where the fuck they come from. All I need to know is that they're Muslim.

Ishmael
 
Who the fuck cares? I don't. 99% of the worlds terrorists are Muslim, doesn't matter where the fuck they come from. All I need to know is that they're Muslim.

Ishmael

I see you gave up to distinguish muslims. Wise choice.

But you still can't answer why the US takes 3 times more Pakistanis.
 
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Chattanooga Recruiting Station Attack Still Not Called Terrorism; Denying Benefits To Families…

TN recruiting

Amish and Quakers still not ruled out.

Via Stars and Stripes:

More than five months after attacks on two military facilities in Chattanooga, Tenn., left four Marines and a sailor dead, federal investigators still have not determined whether the attack was terrorism – and it’s financially costing the families of those who died, as Purple Heart awards hang in the balance.

The July 16 attack killed Gunnery Sgt. Thomas Sullivan, 40; Staff Sgt. David Wyatt, 35; Sgt. Carson A. Holmquist; Lance Cpl. Squire D. “Skip” Wells, 21; and Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Randall Smith, 26. Other service members and a Chattanooga police officer also were wounded by Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez, 24, a naturalized U.S. citizen, who was born in Kuwait. The attack was carried out at the Chattanooga Naval Reserve Center and a recruiting station a few miles away.

As previously reported, Abdulazeez called Muslims who waged jihad in earlier generations “the best human beings that ever lived” other than the prophets, on his blog. He also downloaded recordings of Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-Yemeni cleric who recruited for al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula until he was killed in a 2011 airstrike, according to a NBC News report.

But there still is no assessment of whether the incident qualifies as international terrorism. Sharry Dedman-Beard, a spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney’s office in eastern Tennessee, said the investigation is ongoing and declined additional comment.

The issue is particularly sensitive in light of a similar attack this week in San Bernadino, California, that killed 14 people and wounded 21 more. It was carried out by a married couple, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik. Malik, 27, was a Pakistani woman who entered the United States on a so-called “fiance visa.” She pledged allegiance to the Islamic State militant group on Facebook prior to the attack, a U.S. law enforcement official said on Friday.

The law enforcement official compared the San Bernadino case to the Chattanooga attack, noting that it took days for the FBI to sort out what happened and some questions still remain.

The Chattanooga shooting, occurring at military facilities, however, raised the possibility of Purple Heart medals being awarded to the families of the troops killed there and the survivors who were wounded. Under current criteria, however, the Chattanooga victims will not be eligible unless the government determines that Abdulazeez was in contact with a foreign terrorist organization beforehand and was “inspired or motivated by the foreign terrorist organization.”
 
@PoppingTom

I was curious to know what she looked like and found this article.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/female-san-bernardino-shooter-tashfeen-malik/story?id=35589386

was born in Pakistan but moved to Saudi Arabia 25 years ago when she was about four years old.

http://www.kcra.com/image/view/-/36803960/highRes/3/-/maxh/480/maxw/640/-/6minooz/-/Tashfeen-Malik-jpg.jpg

In the video, ABCs chief investigative correspondent says Federal Law Enforcement Officials believe she initiated the attack and radicalized her husband.
 
@PoppingTom

I was curious to know what she looked like and found this article.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/female-san-bernardino-shooter-tashfeen-malik/story?id=35589386

In the video, ABCs chief investigative correspondent says Federal Law Enforcement Officials believe she initiated the attack and radicalized her husband.

Thank you. Really interesting.

A woman from an Islamic republic that created, funded and military supported the Taliban moved to and rised in an even more radicalized country, the origin of OBL, then moved between both countries like nothing, studying 5 years in that Islamic republic, and according to a member of one of the shadowiest and most notorious intelligence services on earth, the ISI, "She was said to be a brilliant student and was not known to have religious or political affiliation while there", but she changed that overnight, looked for a willing victim in the US (where else?), accidently found a Pakistani who never ever had any ties to anything Pakistan, she radicalized him in no time (evil, evil woman), and because of pure love, they blast everything away. And a few days later, her house is accidently raided by reporters. Nobody misses anything.

Nice story, really.
 
Ultimately many of us (at the very least the only people in the world who matter right now, Barrack Obama and the other world leaders in the coalition) believe the collateral for that would be to high and that's assuming it doesn't make the problem worse which I believe it would.

War used to be a last resort because of collateral damage so we used to wage it ruthlessly in order to bring it to a swift close. These days we can drop a bomb on a beer can and have video of it from the bomb as it's falling, so we can wage it endlessly but collateral damage, the driving force of ending it swiftly is removed.

Actually, about pages 23 or 24, I posted some highly relevant information.

Did you see it?

Tom would not answer the question because he suspected that it was a slam-dunk, but Allea (sp?) answered it for him and then I gave the real 411...

Kinda glossed voer it because of the pissing

Originally Posted by snugglestruggle View Post
This thread was pretty good until it turned into a pissing contest


The only pissing I saw was Pooping Tom and Shawn Ray-nod wetting themselves trying to defend the indefensible. Their zippers must be rusted shut by now.

But the smell ! One of those boys need to drink more water.

I agree, the problem is that they will, eventually turn those weapons on our NATO "ally."

It is the same reason that the Biden plan to partition Iraq would not have worked, because the Kurds want to erase lines over three nations and carve out a new nation of their own.

In most ways my sympathies are with them, but it would involve and escalation of the war, the violence and the refugees...

:eek:

Most of them, who are ill-equipped culturally and mentally to adapt to the Western Culture and more than the Crusaders were able to even tolerate the cultural remnants of the Eastern Orthodox Roman Empire...

Like Islam does now, they took out the "heretics" too in the long run.

If by ally, you mean Turkey? Fuck them. They are untrustworthy. Kurdistan used to be a big ass country before it was carved up. If your going to redraw the ME then the Kurds should get their country too. They are more trustworthy too.

It is a nuclear worker in a supplied air suit.

Looks like Frank Zappa taking a shit to me *snicker
 
War used to be a last resort because of collateral damage so we used to wage it ruthlessly in order to bring it to a swift close. These days we can drop a bomb on a beer can and have video of it from the bomb as it's falling, so we can wage it endlessly but collateral damage, the driving force of ending it swiftly is removed.

Except this simply isn't true. It's at best a nice version of reality. Wars used to be incredibly common and real wars, not this piss ant bullshit we do these days. Seriously go look up European wars it used to be every twenty years like fucking clock work.

And used to be ruthless? Well to some degree sure, but there are records during WW1 and the Civil War of people taking the holidays off. Hell to the extent that it was effective the Tet Offensive in Vietnam was a success because the the idea of attacking on a major holiday was unthinkable.

The collateral damage is not removed at all either. Ask the people on the other end of the war.

What you mean to say is that nobody in America really gives a shit about these wars. The costs are just numbers we see plastered in campaigns not actual THINGS. Nobody is being asked to give up their nylons for the war effort. We're not collecting cars to make new tanks and planes. The numbers of our sons and daughters dying in this war are low in the grand scheme of things. Hell among young males many years it statistically lower than if they were allowed to stick around the states and do the dumb shit young men do. And with rare exceptions like this San Bernadino attack all of us at home are carrying on with out business utterly unaware. I can watch Netflix for the next month and pretend none of this is happening because there is zero chance of an ISIS unit ravaging my neighborhood. It's become so sanitized (at least in this which isn't a war.) that it's easy to not give a shit about it.
 
The Islamic question is an interesting one.

Historically I was not a big fan of the influence of the Israel lobby over US policies and thus always was somewhat sympathetic to both the Arab and Muslim complaints (they have never been synonyms by the way) about US and Israeli treatment. I felt they had legitimate grievances regarding unfair US policies, as well as the historic abuses by European powers during the colonial period, and of course the treatment of the Palestinians since 1948.

Additionally, as a proponent of the traditional conservative view that America should stay out of other people's wars and avoid entangling alliances or take sides in disputes that don't directly concern us I am normally opposed to all foreign wars and entanglements (not to mention the co$t to taxpayers of these adventures). This tradition goes back of course all the way to George Washington and reached its high with great America Firsters like Senator Robert Taft in the interwar period, being suspended only for a few decades during the Cold War due to the unparalleled threat to the entire world by global Communism. The ideology has been bravely revived in the face of massive media and establishment Republican criticism by great Americans such as Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul since the end of the Cold War.

I have not considered the Islamic question to be one worthy of true concern and certainly not to justify the massive tax payer expense of endless no-win war in the middle east. However, the San Bernardino attack hits a bit close to home. It shows we can be hit anywhere, anytime. I am not sure what the answer is, and am currently rethinking my view on the issue.

Will let the board know when I formulate a new policy position on the issue.
 
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