Abortion: What is your solution?

[VaticanAssassin]

While most people here want to hold up the beliefs of the far left or far right as the beliefs for all, most reasonable people understand that is false.

Most reasonable people, left or right, understand the need for abortions in medical/rape cases.

Most even understand the need for when there is no way said child could be properly cared for.

At the same time most people, left and right, believe that abortions as a matter of convenience are morally repugnant. Choosing to avoid a choice you made is not a choice. It is cowardly and simply running away from a choice you made.

Most would agree if that is why you are having a abortion, that decision can and should be made in the 1st trimester.

Most would agree that abortions as a matter of sex selection are sick.


So whats the solution?

What if science made it possible to flip on and off a woman's ability to have a children at a early age. What if it was non evasive and fool proof.

Want to have a baby? Go to the Dr and have you eggs turned on.

This would essentially make abortion in all cases except medical completely obsolete.

Feminist would scream.

But I say the problem would be solved.....

 

[badbabysitter]

Until the child fetus can survive outside the womb unaided it is not a person

the solution would be for opponents to learn how the female reproductive system works

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Until the child fetus can survive outside the womb unaided it is not a person

the solution would be for opponents to learn how the female reproductive system works

See, this thread is for reasonable people.

You are just Eyer on the other side.

 

[badbabysitter]

See, this thread is for reasonable people.

You are just Eyer on the other side.

because I use actual facts... I'm unreasonable?

 

[Recidiva]

Childbirth will not be noninvasive or foolproof.

It's a woman's body, it's her call. Regardless of her motivations, if she is irresponsible enough to choose abortion as her birth control method instead of another method, very likely she would not make a good mother, lacking planning and impulse control.

We're already where people are using IVF and PGD (pre-gestational diagnosis) to make choices from preventing genetic disease to yes, gender selection.

I'd prefer it happened to a zygote than a child.

Do I like it? No.

Do I have to like it? No. Not my body, not my family, not my allocation of resources or priorities.

But it has to be available, or else it goes underground, illegal, and women die and lose reproductive choices that way, instead of one choice, the future's decided for them in terms of medical complications or death.

 

[PoppingTom]

Abortion is both, an individual decision of the woman, and a thing to avoid whenever possible. Quite a lot of abortions happen because of desperation, may it be the life situation, or the pressure from the family, that something must not know about the pregnancy at all.


In Germany, we've got kind of a solution to help women n their decision. They've got a right to abort - but before that, they have to face an ecclesiastical consortium talking into their conscience, providing solutions and stuff. A lot of abortions have been prevented by that.

 

[badbabysitter]

At the same time most people, left and right, believe that abortions as a matter of convenience are morally repugnant. Choosing to avoid a choice you made is not a choice. It is cowardly and simply running away from a choice you made.

These are your feelings on this subject.

Your morality.

People drink to avoid their problems. Should we now make alcohol illegal again?

Or does this only apply to the vagina?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Most would agree if that is why you are having a abortion, that decision can and should be made in the 1st trimester.

And that decision is overwhelmingly made in the first trimester.
Depending on who you ask, somewhere between 88% and 91% of all abortions occur in the first trimester.

Interesting research on second trimester abortions here. In a nutshell, women who are pregnant and desiring abortion between 12 and 16 weeks are black, and 16-24 weeks are wealthy. Go figure.

 

[putzpotus]

Until the child fetus can survive outside the womb unaided it is not a person

the solution would be for opponents to learn how the female reproductive system works

then why are killers charged with TWO counts of murder when they kill a Preggy woman?

 

[putzpotus]

And that decision is overwhelmingly made in the first trimester.
Depending on who you ask, somewhere between 88% and 91% of all abortions occur in the first trimester.

Interesting research on second trimester abortions here. In a nutshell, women who are pregnant and desiring abortion between 12 and 16 weeks are black, and 16-24 weeks are wealthy. Go figure.

SALON is not credible

Try again

 

[Hard_Rom]

Abortion as birth-control is wasteful. You are responsible enough to make decisions make a better one when it comes to birth-control. Medical procedures all have risks. Resources best spent in other areas.

We seem to replicate evolution on our growth within the womb. So termination well before we get to self aware stage. Looking like a chicken or still have gills maybe. Not sure of my opinion here. If not a live human being, at least the waste of the potential. Again wasteful more than evil.

If it's a vote, it should be females only to vote. It is their bodies we are enacting legislation over. Their safety. Many women died from illegal abortions. They will occur.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Childbirth will not be noninvasive or foolproof.

It's a woman's body, it's her call. Regardless of her motivations, if she is irresponsible enough to choose abortion as her birth control method instead of another method, very likely she would not make a good mother, lacking planning and impulse control.

We're already where people are using IVF and PGD (pre-gestational diagnosis) to make choices from preventing genetic disease to yes, gender selection.

I'd prefer it happened to a zygote than a child.

Do I like it? No.

Do I have to like it? No. Not my body, not my family, not my allocation of resources or priorities.

But it has to be available, or else it goes underground, illegal, and women die and lose reproductive choices that way, instead of one choice, the future's decided for them in terms of medical complications or death.

Not sure what point you are making here.

But if it was 100% fool proof that a woman could only get pregnant if she made the choice and went to a Dr first......

Doesn't everything people argue about in regards to abortions (with the exception of medical) just go away?

 

[putzpotus]

Childbirth will not be noninvasive or foolproof.

It's a woman's body, it's her call. Regardless of her motivations, if she is irresponsible enough to choose abortion as her birth control method instead of another method, very likely she would not make a good mother, lacking planning and impulse control.

We're already where people are using IVF and PGD (pre-gestational diagnosis) to make choices from preventing genetic disease to yes, gender selection.

I'd prefer it happened to a zygote than a child.

Do I like it? No.

Do I have to like it? No. Not my body, not my family, not my allocation of resources or priorities.

But it has to be available, or else it goes underground, illegal, and women die and lose reproductive choices that way, instead of one choice, the future's decided for them in terms of medical complications or death.

what about the MAN?

you know,

the guy taht gets sued to pay for the CUNT and the KID when its expelled


I say

If a CUNT wants an abortion and teh FATHER says NO, and the CUNT shouldnt be allowed to have one

and if teh FATHER says ABORT and teh CUNT says NO, teh CUNT shouldnt get a DIME

FAIRNESS

EQUALITY

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Still waiting on someone reasonable to show up......

 

[Hard_Rom]

SALON is not credible

Try again

No blog, no editorial, no opinion letter to editor is credible. Reported news (?) and sources of knowledge and information are credible. To be entirely credible it must have a bibliography to be quoted.

 

[putzpotus]

Still waiting on someone reasonable to show up......

someone did

you, decided otherwise

 

[putzpotus]

No blog, no editorial, no opinion letter to editor is credible. Reported news (?) and sources of knowledge and information are credible. To be entirely credible it must have a bibliography to be quoted.

SALON isnt credible

 

[badbabysitter]

Not sure what point you are making here.

But if it was 100% fool proof that a woman could only get pregnant if she made the choice and went to a Dr first......

Doesn't everything people argue about in regards to abortions (with the exception of medical) just go away?

" What if's" are not " what is"

until is 100% foolproof and universally accessible ..you're spouting fiction

 

[PoppingTom]

Still waiting on someone reasonable to show up......

still got me on ignore.

 

[badbabysitter]

Still waiting on someone reasonable to show up......

you're spouting science fiction and personal feelings.. and you're waiting for someone reasonable to show up?


think the Pope might be busy today.. as he seems to be the expert you're waiting for

 

[PoppingTom]

think the Pope might be busy today.. as he seems to be the expert you're waiting for

Can't speak for today's pope, but Johannes Paul II was opposing the German solution. The German bishops were deeply impressed, suspended their duty, sat together, talked a lot - and found out their system isn't that bad.

 

[playground3r]

Choosing to avoid a choice you made is not a choice. It is cowardly and simply running away from a choice you made.

Yes your dad was a coward to let his child rot to death in its crib.

 

[Recidiva]

Not sure what point you are making here.

But if it was 100% fool proof that a woman could only get pregnant if she made the choice and went to a Dr first......

Doesn't everything people argue about in regards to abortions (with the exception of medical) just go away?

My point is that carrying and delivering a child carries massive risks up to and including fatal complications.

No. If you've noticed, health care is a touchy subject and not everyone has it, not everyone can pay for it, not everyone trusts it, and sometimes it can't be trusted.

Doing some massive social experiment even if the technology were available would be politically and ethically impossible. Eliminating fertility routinely would be something that doctors would not want to do what with that "first do no harm" thing.

Not to mention accusations of sterilization, genocide...would not work.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Completely up to the woman, no matter her reasons. It's is no one elses business with the exception of her partner in a secure relationship. Definitely not up to the Churches or the Politicians.

Between her and her Doctor for the most part.

If they determine it's too far along, set up an no-strings adoption.

 

[Recidiva]

what about the MAN?

you know,

the guy taht gets sued to pay for the CUNT and the KID when its expelled


I say

If a CUNT wants an abortion and teh FATHER says NO, and the CUNT shouldnt be allowed to have one

and if teh FATHER says ABORT and teh CUNT says NO, teh CUNT shouldnt get a DIME

FAIRNESS

EQUALITY

When the guy has a uterus he can check in on the subject. Otherwise any male coming to sexual activity age should know it's not his call.

I do think he should be able to sign off support rights, if it's her choice to carry or not carry, it should be his choice to support or not support. I think that's the other half of the law that hasn't been written and needs to be written.