Which Country

[smoothg103rd]

Has the strongest military? Don't be bias.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Israel.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Has the strongest military? Don't be bias.

Sheer numbers, technology, amount of MTB and nukes, professionalism, fighting quality of individual soldier.

I guess US has tech lead. China matches its pop. Russia has more tanks than everybody else put together, Israel should have the most practice, the rest is probably left to patriotic fervour.

In a slugfest conventional war the US could plain run out of fancy weapons before Russia ran out of tanks or Chinese soldiers. Navy wise the US rules the Seven Seas.

The Indian armed forces are a big unknown. Can be great fighters if they want, lots of them, copying Chinese tech all the time, have nukes.

Do you know of a nation that could invade, defeat and occupy India?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Where is the battle being fought?

USA controls the seas and the air. We have proven that 6,190 mile supply lines can not be supported much longer than 9 years without bankrupting the treasury.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Sheer numbers, technology, amount of MTB and nukes, professionalism, fighting quality of individual soldier.

I guess US has tech lead. China matches its pop. Russia has more tanks than everybody else put together, Israel should have the most practice, the rest is probably left to patriotic fervour.

In a slugfest conventional war the US could plain run out of fancy weapons before Russia ran out of tanks or Chinese soldiers. Navy wise the US rules the Seven Seas.

The Indian armed forces are a big unknown. Can be great fighters if they want, lots of them, copying Chinese tech all the time, have nukes.

Do you know of a nation that could invade, defeat and occupy India?

I'm asking the question because I don't have a clue. So out of them four,if there was a war,who would win?

 

[smoothg103rd]

Where is the battle being fought?

USA controls the seas and the air. We have proven that 6,190 mile supply lines can not be supported much longer than 9 years without bankrupting the treasury.

Somewhere where it is a even playing field.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Somewhere where it is a even playing field.

No such thing.

"Those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of battle and are not brought there by him." - Sun Tzu

 

[smoothg103rd]

No such thing.

"Those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of battle and are not brought there by him." - Sun Tzu

So the USA aren't unbeatable?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

So the USA aren't unbeatable?

Not even close.

Think about 9/11. Sun Tzu said "Those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of battle and are not brought there by him."

Bin Laden caused the US to bring the war to him. To the field of battle of his choosing. To the field of battle where he knew we could not win. He was a much better strategist than the US warmongers. We had to stretch our supply lines 6,190 miles. We cannot maintain that fight for very long as much as we tried. Bush and Cheney were dopes to try.

However, there are fields of battle and methods of getting to those fields where we can win.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Does it go nuclear? Always an option and a part of each forces capability. If conventional, where fought? Too many things to think about. The Afghan Mujahidin beat the Soviets. The VC beat the Yanks. Size and technology are not all.

Soviets probably not what they used to be Cold War days. And that is not saying much. Chinese haven't had a war in a generation or better. India could maybe take either.

An EMP would fuck up Yanks worse than anyone else. Not sure on opinions of over reliance on technology. It only gets you so far. Hopefully to the bad guys doorstep. Yanks have lashings of some equipment. Have to hope kill ratio and attrition rates is helped by technology. Usually is! Weak point and strength of American military is the folks back home.

America at sea and air. Currently but Russians good at SAMs and nuclear torpedoes can miss by a mile.

NATO never ruled out going nuclear, Warsaw Pact said it never would. They did not need it to win. Russia was stronger than US?

How quick can it change? China and India have over a billion each. 5 years of conscription and huge increase in defence spending. 3-4X as large as US with better than Russian tech. We would need nukes to keep them off our own shores.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Not even close.

Think about 9/11. Sun Tzu said "Those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of battle and are not brought there by him."

Bin Laden caused the US to bring the war to him. To the field of battle of his choosing. To the field of battle where he knew we could not win. He was a much better strategist than the US warmongers. We had to stretch our supply lines 6,190 miles. We cannot maintain that fight for very long as much as we tried. Bush and Cheney were dopes to try.

However, there are fields of battle and methods of getting to those fields where we can win.

But Bin Laden is dead, right?

What the hell is a supply line?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Yikes.

The real "N" word.

That is what the "war with radical Islam" is all about starting. It is what the radical Islamists want.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Does it go nuclear? Always an option and a part of each forces capability. If conventional, where fought? Too many things to think about. The Afghan Mujahidin beat the Soviets. The VC beat the Yanks. Size and technology are not all.

Soviets probably not what they used to be Cold War days. And that is not saying much. Chinese haven't had a war in a generation or better. India could maybe take either.

An EMP would fuck up Yanks worse than anyone else. Not sure on opinions of over reliance on technology. It only gets you so far. Hopefully to the bad guys doorstep. Yanks have lashings of some equipment. Have to hope kill ratio and attrition rates is helped by technology. Usually is! Weak point and strength of American military is the folks back home.

America at sea and air. Currently but Russians good at SAMs and nuclear torpedoes can miss by a mile.

NATO never ruled out going nuclear, Warsaw Pact said it never would. They did not need it to win. Russia was stronger than US?

How quick can it change? China and India have over a billion each. 5 years of conscription and huge increase in defence spending. 3-4X as large as US with better than Russian tech. We would need nukes to keep them off our own shores.

Way too many abbreviations for me to understand. What's Yanks? Nukes?NATO. And Russia and the US went to war?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

No such thing.

"Those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of battle and are not brought there by him." - Sun Tzu

That's what Obama is doing? Bringing them here?

 

[Que]

Not even close.

Think about 9/11. Sun Tzu said "Those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of battle and are not brought there by him."

Bin Laden caused the US to bring the war to him. To the field of battle of his choosing. To the field of battle where he knew we could not win. He was a much better strategist than the US warmongers. We had to stretch our supply lines 6,190 miles. We cannot maintain that fight for very long as much as we tried. Bush and Cheney were dopes to try.

However, there are fields of battle and methods of getting to those fields where we can win.

You are right about that.

 

[Noor]

But Bin Laden is dead, right?

What the hell is a supply line?

Bin Laden could have just be a figurehead at the point we killed him.

For military intelligence I would go with Israel, they have long term embedded sleepers, I suspect the British do too, but not sure they have the military power to back up them up.

Unfortunately, local nationals are being radicalized to be warriors in the jihad, so they are essentially a guerrilla army with no need of a traditional supply chain, they are very hard to fight against and win.

 

[Noor]

Way too many abbreviations for me to understand. What's Yanks? Nukes?NATO. And Russia and the US went to war?

Yanks= United State, British slang from world war 2.

Nukes=nuclear weapons

Look at Afghanistan, no one ever seems to win completely there.

 

[Noor]

But Bin Laden is dead, right?

What the hell is a supply line?

supply line= support for the troops, food, gas, ammunitions. In traditional warfare if you can cut off a supply line, you can usually win unless it's winter in Russia.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Yanks= United State, British slang from world war 2.

Nukes=nuclear weapons

Look at Afghanistan, no one ever seems to win completely there.

How many wars have the US lost? And what are nuclear weapons? I heard that before, but never knew what it was.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires!

There are 49 million Pashtun. Who make up bulk of Taliban. Half are called Pakistani and half are Afghans. All due to a colonial line on the map, the Durand Line. And we wonder why they are so uptight about foreign influences. American President Wilson after WWI was all up for self-determination. Like many things it only applies to us.

The old parent thing. Do as I say. Not as I do. Works for climate change too.

 

[smoothg103rd]

supply line= support for the troops, food, gas, ammunitions. In traditional warfare if you can cut off a supply line, you can usually win unless it's winter in Russia.

I don't understand politics. See if we're at war on the streets, we gotto worry about getting locked up and a lot of other shit. They got the green light to do whatever. Someone can kill a thousand people and be labeled a hero. We kill one and do life in jail. After 9/11, it wouldn't have been a middle east if I was in control.

 

[Noor]

How many wars have the US lost? And what are nuclear weapons? I heard that before, but never knew what it was.

We don't exactly lose wars, we just don't declare them as such and then pull out when we "aren't winning" Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq...

Atomic bomb=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon

 

[Noor]

I don't understand politics. See if we're at war on the streets, we gotto worry about getting locked up and a lot of other shit. They got the green light to do whatever. Someone can kill a thousand people and be labeled a hero. We kill one and do life in jail. After 9/11, it wouldn't have been a middle east if I was in control.

There is a lot of politics about 9?11. Most of the hijackers were Saudis, we did all sorts of things to prevent people/students coming into the USA after 9/11 with the exception of Saudis because we have a relationship with the Saudi government.

We used to have one with Syria.
Syria could fund terrorism, cause things to happen like nightclubs full of US soldiers blowing up in Berlin, which we bombed Libya for, and when we find out it was Syrian backed we did nothing.

Some think that the cold war and a sort of balance of power held a lot of stuff in check in a way. Since that crumbled, it's been a free for all.

 

[Noor]

Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires!

There are 49 million Pashtun. Who make up bulk of Taliban. Half are called Pakistani and half are Afghans. All due to a colonial line on the map, the Durand Line. And we wonder why they are so uptight about foreign influences. American President Wilson after WWI was all up for self-determination. Like many things it only applies to us.

The old parent thing. Do as I say. Not as I do. Works for climate change too.

Wilson's 14 points were pretty much throw out by the next administration. Yalta after WW2 was mainly responsible for how the middle east got divided up.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I don't understand politics. See if we're at war on the streets, we gotto worry about getting locked up and a lot of other shit. They got the green light to do whatever. Someone can kill a thousand people and be labeled a hero. We kill one and do life in jail. After 9/11, it wouldn't have been a middle east if I was in control.

You're either really drunk or yanking our chains.