Ben Carson, what are trying to hide?

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Ben Carson, what are you trying to hide?

Another cry-baby complaining about the press doing its job. And to think this hack wants to be President.


A tale of two Carsons

Detroit (CNN)Ben Carson, the soft-spoken, Yale-educated brain surgeon who has surged in the GOP presidential race, has written and spoken powerfully of divine intervention at several pivotal moments in his life.

At the core of his narrative of spiritual redemption are his acts of violence as an angry young man — stabbing, rock throwing, brick hurling and baseball bat beating — that preceded Carson's sudden transformation into the composed figure who stands before voters today.

In his 1990 autobiography, "Gifted Hands: The Ben Carson Story," Carson describes those acts as flowing from an uncontrollable "pathological temper." The violent episodes he has detailed in his book, in public statements and in interviews, include punching a classmate in the face with his hand wrapped around a lock, leaving a bloody three-inch gash in the boy's forehead; attempting to attack his own mother with a hammer following an argument over clothes; hurling a large rock at a boy, which broke the youth's glasses and smashed his nose; and, finally, thrusting a knife at the belly of his friend with such force that the blade snapped when it luckily struck a belt buckle covered by the boy's clothes.

"I was trying to kill somebody," Carson said, describing the incident -- which he has said occurred at age 14 in ninth grade -- during a September forum at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco.

But nine friends, classmates and neighbors who grew up with Carson told CNN they have no memory of the anger or violence the candidate has described.

That person is unrecognizable to those whom CNN interviewed, who knew him during those formative years.

All of the people interviewed expressed surprise about the incidents Carson has described. No one challenged the stories directly. Some of those interviewed expressed skepticism, but noted that they could not know what had happened behind closed doors.

Gerald Ware, a classmate at Southwestern High School said he was "shocked" to read about the violence in Carson's book.

"I don't know nothing about that," said Ware, who still lives in southwestern Detroit. "It would have been all over the whole school."

CNN was unable to independently confirm any of the incidents, which Carson said occurred when he was a juvenile.

Carson's campaign adviser and business manager, Armstrong Williams, declined repeated requests by CNN to provide details about the history of violence Carson has described, including the identities of his alleged victims and witnesses. CNN also asked the campaign for documentation of any disciplinary actions that resulted.

"Why would anyone cooperate with your obvious witch hunt?" Williams wrote in an email last Friday. "No comment and moving on...... Happy Halloween!!!!!"


CNN contacted the campaign once again Wednesday afternoon to share its findings and received the same response.

In a media availability during his book tour in Florida on Thursday after publication of CNN's piece, the network's Sunlen Serfaty asked Carson about the investigation and why CNN could not find anyone who could corroborate the story.

"I don't want to expose people without their knowledge, but remember, when I was 14, when the knifing episode occurred, that's when I changed, that's when most of the people I talked to began to know who I was, they didn't know me before then," Carson said.

CNN interviewed people for this report who knew Carson as early as elementary school.

Serfaty later reminded Carson that CNN spoke to elementary, junior high and high school classmates who knew him throughout his life and that none of them could recall violent incidents. Carson then responded that the only people who would know about the encounters were the people who were victims. (how convenient)

"‎Why would anybody know about, you know, private incidents like that?" Carson said. "I was generally a nice person. It's just that I had a very bad temper so unless you were the victim of that temper why would you know?"


The narrative continues below but it is quite clear Carson is hiding something. Even if he what he claims did happen, why deny it? Why not give the names of the people involved? It would strengthen his story.

Instead he attacks those who are doing their job, claiming it's a witch hunt. Which sounds oddly familiar coming from a black person running for President yet I don't hear anyone from Fox attacking him for it.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-2016-childhood-violence/index.html
 
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And yet Carson refuses to answer such simple questions.

This doesn't include his fantasy the pyramids were actually for storing grain and not tombs, despite the clear evidence.

He also believes God created the universe less than seven thousand years ago.
 
That incident he described at a Popeye's, where he claimed to have prevented a robbery with little more than his own strength of character? No one can verify that one either.

Sounds like Carson had told some tall tales to sell books, long before he ever thought of running for president. I would have expected more from a self-proclaimed moral leader.
 
That incident he described at a Popeye's, where he claimed to have prevented a robbery with little more than his own strength of character? No one can verify that one either.

He redirected a robbery. But yeah it's probably complete bullshit.
 
Looks like that West Point scholarship fraud might've been the final straw. Dude's bullshit is über combusting today. :D
 
Republican candidate claims he received scholarship, but he never even applied to mil

Ben Carson, U.S. presidential hopeful, lied about acceptance to West Point
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ben-carson-pyramids-for-grain-not-pharaohs-1.3307627

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson's campaign on Friday acknowledged he never applied nor was accepted to the U.S. Military Academy at West Point – a tale he included in his autobiography and that he has repeated since then, POLITICO reported on Friday. Carson's campaign said the account of receiving a scholarship offer from the prestigious military school in West Point, N.Y., was a fabrication.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/ben-carson-pyramids-for-grain-not-pharaohs-1.3306443


Ben Carson, U.S. presidential hopeful, thinks pyramids are ancient grain silos
'This is not an academic topic of debate,' says expert on ancient Egyptian archeology

Republican presidential hopeful Ben Carson thinks Egypt's ancient pyramids were intended to store grain, not dead pharaohs.

The revelation came after Buzzfeed unearthed a 17-year-old address Carson made to a graduating class at Andrews University in Michigan.

"My own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain," he told the audience. "Now all the archeologists think that they were made for the pharaohs' graves. But, you know, it would have to be something awfully big if you stop and think about it. And I don't think it'd just disappear over the course of time to store that much grain."

Like the founders of Andrews University, Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist. He also appears to favour a literalist view of the Book of Genesis, in which Joseph, one of Jacob's 12 sons, stores enough grain to feed Egypt during seven years of drought.

Carson said that the design of the pyramids is evidence they were intended to store grain for a long period of time, as Joseph may have done in the biblical story.

Asked by CBS News this week if he still believes the pyramids are ancient grain silos, he said, "It's still my belief, yes."

Actual authorities on ancient Egypt are not impressed with Carson's thinking.

"This is not an academic topic of debate," Jodi Magness, a specialist in biblical archaeology at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill told The Associated Press. "The use of the pyramids as tombs is verified by both written (literary) sources and archeological evidence."
 
Wait. Pyramids are what?!

If he lied (which I'm still doubtful about on the violence) WHY?! He was the man who separated conjoined twins. That's basically rockstar status surgery. He has no more reason to lie about who he is than Elon Musk. And mind you this was twenty five years ago before becoming president was even something he was kinda sorta maybe considering. He's not a Bush or a Kennedy where the fuckers are bred for office.
 
Because, as much as they like to trumpet "personal responsibility" and their "salt of the earth" bone fides, Republicans are bigger star-fuckers than Democrats could ever hope to be. Reagan never saw a story that he couldn't distort or exaggerate to his own benefit, and Carson is just following that blueprint.

Fact-checking has just gotten a lot better since then, and it's finally caught up to Carson. He apparently couldn't find the truth if it crawled up his ass and died there.
 
I grew up in a church that taught that the Bible was literally and 100% true... Even Noah and Jonah.

When you buy in to this (I didn't), life becomes an exercise in apologetics. You are constantly looking for any tenuous excuse that would justify your beliefs.

These folks (and some of them are my family) can NOT be reached by logic...ever. For them to grant that the flood didn't happen or that David didn't build grain silos would cause their entire infallibility argument to crash...and that would TERRIFY them.
 
The thing is nothing in the Bible ever discusses the Pyramids and thinking Joshua built them goes against the commonly accepted (if false) narrative that the slaves built them. The Israelites were guests not slaves in Joshua's day. The enslavement happens at some point between Joshua and Moses and to the best of my knowledge it's never mentioned what happened that changed the relationship. It's just a time skip and BAM. Now most people accept the Jewish Slaves built the pyramids which shoots Carson's idea in the foot.

Now most actual Egyptologists believe the pyramids were built by free men who kinda sorta volunteered. They certainly weren't lowly slaves building sacred sites but the degree to which you could simply decide fuck this I'ma go farm is debated.

So I don't know how he would have come to said conclusion. Not to mention the pyramids would make shitty grain silos and if I'm not mistaken are mostly solid anyhow.
 
Here's my take on his linkage...and why Biblical apologetics are dangerous.

Bible says Joseph put aside enough grain for 7 years of famine.

Scientific person distrusts premonitions... And knows that this is a huge amount of grain. Would take forever to grow it and it would be virtually impossible to store.

Biblical inerrancist says... But the Bible says Joseph did this and it MUST be true...

So he starts trying to come up with an excuse for how it might have happened. And logic doesn't have to factor in. They are defending magic.
 
Here's my take on his linkage...and why Biblical apologetics are dangerous.

Bible says Joseph put aside enough grain for 7 years of famine.

Scientific person distrusts premonitions... And knows that this is a huge amount of grain. Would take forever to grow it and it would be virtually impossible to store.

Biblical inerrancist says... But the Bible says Joseph did this and it MUST be true...

So he starts trying to come up with an excuse for how it might have happened. And logic doesn't have to factor in. They are defending magic.

Let me start with I agree that Bible believers are dangerous and for the reasons that you state. I have NO clue how long grain can be safely stored as well to know the logistics. (though I'm suddenly tempted to go look it up might do that.)

As for how much to grow and store, well the story claims they just had seven awesome years and God essentially said don't waste it. I don't question how Leia knew Luke was hanging from the Cloud City of Bespin and I don't question this because magic. So storage becomes the issue and assuming it will last a bunch of smaller storage sites strategically located makes more sense than a few dozen (is it that many? I know we mostly talk about the pyramids at Giza but those aren't the only ones. . .nor were they all built at the same time. . .nor is it a mystery who and when most were built. Turns out Egyptians kept pretty damn good records.

I disagree with you that logic doesn't have a place in this however. Most fiction does have an inbuilt logic of sorts. Granted with these old myths you can often tell that centuries of oral history got a lot of things blurred together but you never hear about how Moses, David and Daniel teamed up to defeat the dark God Baal. Hell we have somewhat reliable numbers for how long apart those men all are. At least as reliable as knowing how many generations are between. Obviously not everybody has kids at the exact same age but still.

That's what makes Carson's story stand out as so fucking weird to me. Because the story he's drawing from does have reliable markers. If someone came back and told me they believed that Ivo Drago won the Heavy Weight title from Thunderlips in Rocky VII: Adrian's Revenge I'd have to wonder what was up.
 
I've spent a lot of time with these people.

This is what they do. They believe that every comma in the Bible is correct... And that each if them have a personal responsibility to defend each comma.

So you get stuff like this, dealt out by folks who are completely untutored on the subject but are positive that Jesus is whispering in their ear.

Three words.

Nuclear Launch Codes.

I'm a Social Democrat and adverse to most Republicans, but Carson TERRIFIES me.
 
I've spent a lot of time with these people.

This is what they do. They believe that every comma in the Bible is correct... And that each if them have a personal responsibility to defend each comma.

So you get stuff like this, dealt out by folks who are completely untutored on the subject but are positive that Jesus is whispering in their ear.

Three words.

Nuclear Launch Codes.

I'm a Social Democrat and adverse to most Republicans, but Carson TERRIFIES me.

Here's the thing: if I were to walk down the street and claim to be Jesus, that the end days were here, I can absolutely guarantee at some point either the police or some form of medical personnel would come and talk with me if not take me away.

YET, these people believe that some guy who supposedly existed, who claimed to be the son of God, who was created by the union of said God and another man's wife thereby breaking one of said God's own rules, was not only King of the Jews but had also been created so he could die to protect them from the sins their God created them with.

That's not crazy, but me walking down the street and claiming to be Jesus is.
 
That's the thing. He appears to have made this up out of whole cloth. None of the commas in the Bible say this. If you believed Star Wars was true, every word of it that doesn't excuse you for telling me Yoda and Boba Fett fought on the third Death Star?! I'm gonna go bang my head against the wall until it hurts less.

If it's not obvious I'm not defending the facts of their story as logical.

Carson only scares me slightly more than the others. They all believe that same stuff save maybe Rand.
 
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