Another maniac with a gun fires into a crowd.

[Que]

A politician saying something is "worth considering"or "looking into" is just code speak for, I want to move on to the next question, hopefully one that I already have a rehearsed answer to.

Sometimes that is the case. She went on to compare such an idea with cash for clunkers suggesting that such a massive program was potentially viable. Would she get it through congress? Hell, no. She is saying if she was queen for a day she thinks the idea is worth considering. She riffed quite a while on the question which was quite likely planted in order to get a couple of percentage points from Sanders voters. Sanders people had been garnering the anti-gun nut vote with suggestions Hillary has no stomach for taking on the NRA.

Anti-gun nuts are just as devoted as gun nuts are, and courted just as hard.

 

[phrodeau]

News flash: every criminal was once a law-abiding citizen.

 

[phrodeau]

http://news.yahoo.com/media-reports-three-people-hurt-shooting-tennessee-college-060350016.html

Three shot at TSU Nashville.

 

[neci]

http://news.yahoo.com/media-reports-three-people-hurt-shooting-tennessee-college-060350016.html

Three shot at TSU Nashville.

 

[Que]

News flash: every criminal was once a law-abiding citizen.

Criminal does not equal murderer, but nice try at deflection.

News flash: Before the average murderer commits his inaugural murder in the first degree, he already has committed a long list of crimes, some of which are included in his jacket which includes convictions as well as charges filed, but plead down or for which no conviction was obtained. Some of which may be suspected but not likely provable, and of course some were completely undetected. Rare is the human being that can pull a trigger without some serious conditioning from multiple violent priors.

Very few first degree murders are committed by people that are already not forbidden from possessing any firearm because they are felons. Even your garden variety crime of passion murder is much more apt to happen when illegal drugs are used routinely by the murderer and the victim.

It is not reasonable to worry that your neighbor, that from all appearances has probably never committed a significant crime but owns a gun, is suddenly going to just decide to walk over and shoot you without some major, precipitating event.

Might you live next to a psychotic thrill killer? Sure. Lightening also might strike you. Bundy didn't kill with a gun. Neither did Dahlmer.

 

[dolf]

Very few first degree murders are committed by people that are already not forbidden from possessing any firearm because they are felons.

out of curiosity, could I see the stats on that?

 

[Que]

out of curiosity, could I see the stats on that?

Done to death. FBI UCR statistics, but more interesting reading is the tabulated data on thousands of inmate interviews. They are sitting around with nothing to do and someone from the FBI wants to interview them, they feel like rock-stars.

Ish can quote that chapter and verse. I don't bother because it changes no one's mind about stranger danger.

The interviews are where the statistics on such things as how often did they alter their plans because they perceived the possibility that the intended target had a gun. Neighborhoods and areas they favor and why. What makes a home look ripe for burglary or not. Subjective stuff.

I had a friend who was the PIO and homicide detective for a town of about 500,000. One of the things that stuck me was he mentioned that every violent crime scene has ever been to always had a significant porn collection in plain view. Porn has nothing to do with it of course but it painted a seedy picture to me of the lives lived by people that end up as killers or victims.

Think about the murders in your area. No one deserves it, but aren't most of them kind of expected? Not necessarily that particular tweaker, but a tweaker. Cops like to say there are no true victims or some version of that. There are of course blameless victims, and most of those becomes a national story. How could that completely above reproach person find themselves murdered?

 

[Que]

Keep in mind some of it is not knowable to a certainty. The kind of felony murder we are talking about where the victim is a known criminal with a felony record is known. Who shot him may never be known but the conclusion is pretty obvious.

You'd have to put it into a spreadsheet, but separate zip codes with high arest rates and put all of those murders associated with "high crime" areas and you could get a decent number, but it would be a guess.

You will have crimes of passion there too.

I would imagine someone has tried to segregate that. The UCR report goes all the way down to whether he was clubbed or stabbed or shot or poisoned or whatever.

 

[dolf]

The porn part is interesting... In plain sight shows an aggressive infliction of their sexuality on others, no? Indicative of a certain attitude. More significant than seediness.

 

[Ishmael]

Done to death. FBI UCR statistics, but more interesting reading is the tabulated data on thousands of inmate interviews. They are sitting around with nothing to do and someone from the FBI wants to interview them, they feel like rock-stars.

Ish can quote that chapter and verse. I don't bother because it changes no one's mind about stranger danger.

The interviews are where the statistics on such things as how often did they alter their plans because they perceived the possibility that the intended target had a gun. Neighborhoods and areas they favor and why. What makes a home look ripe for burglary or not. Subjective stuff.

I had a friend who was the PIO and homicide detective for a town of about 500,000. One of the things that stuck me was he mentioned that every violent crime scene has ever been to always had a significant porn collection in plain view. Porn has nothing to do with it of course but it painted a seedy picture to me of the lives lived by people that end up as killers or victims.

Think about the murders in your area. No one deserves it, but aren't most of them kind of expected? Not necessarily that particular tweaker, but a tweaker. Cops like to say there are no true victims or some version of that. There are of course blameless victims, and most of those becomes a national story. How could that completely above reproach person find themselves murdered?

The statistics along with the results of the interviews you've mentioned are ignored by the anti-gunners and the media that supports them. The anti-gunners imagine a Utopia after the government has swooped in and removed all firearms from the hands of the citizenry. But looking at those nations that have banned virtually all gun ownership you find that although murder by firearm did decrease, other forms of crime, especially burglary, robbery, assault, and rape, increased dramatically. The International Crime Victimization Survey has consistently placed the US near the bottom of the list of industrialized nations when it comes to the citizen being the victim of crime. The UK has consistently been in one of the top three spots on the list.

Our, the US's, national disgrace is the Black on Black crime rates for all categories of crime. Blacks commit 54% of all murders while only representing 13% of the population. Latino's are not broken out as a group in the FBI's UCR (they are lumped in with the 'Whites), but informal surveys tend to indicate that they are responsible for approx. 40% of the murders. In this state, New Mexico, they are responsible for almost 90% of ALL crime yet are just over 50% of the population.

Subtracting out the Black on Black crime rates as well as the Latino crime rates the US's overall crime rate, murder in particular, drops dramatically. Of course that sort of expectation is out of the question. But if those groups were to commit criminal acts merely in proportion to their proportion of the population the decrease in crime would still be dramatic.

The apologists for those groups, including our current president, blame the past (slavery) and discrimination for the out of proportion criminal behavior. That is a MYTH! If that were true the statistics would reveal an off the charts proportion of the criminal acts would be perpetrated against the alleged oppressing class, whites. That is obviously not the case, they prey on each other, not the alleged oppressor. The fact that they DO prey on each other tends to indicate that there is a cultural malaise within their communities.

Ishmael

 

[Disgustipated]

The apologists for those groups, including our current president, blame the past (slavery) and discrimination for the out of proportion criminal behavior. That is a MYTH!
Ishmael

Care to explain WHY it's happening, professor?

 

[OjosMojo]

The President's hand-picked FBI Director is so absolutely clueless that he's now stating citizen-shot viral video could be a cause for the rise in violent crime, ffs.

Sounds like the Benghazi playbook is still in play.

Thanks, Obama!

FBI Director Links Rise In Violent Crime To Viral Videos
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/james-comey-police-videos_562b7ea9e4b0ec0a3894a8ec

 

[IrezumiKiss]

The statistics along with the results of the interviews you've mentioned are ignored by the anti-gunners and the media that supports them. The anti-gunners imagine a Utopia after the government has swooped in and removed all firearms from the hands of the citizenry. But looking at those nations that have banned virtually all gun ownership you find that although murder by firearm did decrease, other forms of crime, especially burglary, robbery, assault, and rape, increased dramatically. The International Crime Victimization Survey has consistently placed the US near the bottom of the list of industrialized nations when it comes to the citizen being the victim of crime. The UK has consistently been in one of the top three spots on the list.

Our, the US's, national disgrace is the Black on Black crime rates for all categories of crime. Blacks commit 54% of all murders while only representing 13% of the population. Latino's are not broken out as a group in the FBI's UCR (they are lumped in with the 'Whites), but informal surveys tend to indicate that they are responsible for approx. 40% of the murders. In this state, New Mexico, they are responsible for almost 90% of ALL crime yet are just over 50% of the population.

Subtracting out the Black on Black crime rates as well as the Latino crime rates the US's overall crime rate, murder in particular, drops dramatically. Of course that sort of expectation is out of the question. But if those groups were to commit criminal acts merely in proportion to their proportion of the population the decrease in crime would still be dramatic.

The apologists for those groups, including our current president, blame the past (slavery) and discrimination for the out of proportion criminal behavior. That is a MYTH! If that were true the statistics would reveal an off the charts proportion of the criminal acts would be perpetrated against the alleged oppressing class, whites. That is obviously not the case, they prey on each other, not the alleged oppressor. The fact that they DO prey on each other tends to indicate that there is a cultural malaise within their communities.

Ishmael

White asshole shitstains like the schmuck quoted above never mention the "black on black" trope as an argument for peace, but to justify violence against blacks, extrajudicial and otherwise.

Concurrently, white asshole shitstains like the schmuck quoted above who trot out the "black on black" trope as a bullshit way to suggest that whites are better or more socially civilized because they commit less murders and crimes never recognize that they are also admitting that women are better than men for the exact same reason.

As someone said, you'll never want to honestly introspect as to why it's this way, or how it got that way. Doing so would mean facing harsh truths and admitting culpability. It's much easier to sit back in your comfort and fantasize that everyone started out on the same level and that centuries of a nation built on slavery and genocide through a structure of multilayered and intersectional white supremacy is all eradicated lickety-split because there's a black president and someone like Oprah is a billionaire that could buy thousands of you. It is this same simple-Simon mentality that blames an entire black race for the actions of one black criminal but excuses a white person doing the same thing or worse as a mentally disturbed lone wolf outlier or anomaly. When this shit mentality blows up in your face, as it has done with many of the shootings that's happened recently, you'll search for any disposable just-add-water excuse in order to process it when the xenophobic convenience of having a Muslim terrorist isn't there to blame it away.

There is no fucking "cultural malaise," grandpa. There are just shitty people like you in this country and the greater world, generations upon generations deep, who have been an impediment to social progress and equality through their baked-in privilege and hegemony, since the very beginning. The clapback against your shit has been going on since that beginning, but it's growing incrementally stronger while you get lesser at the same rate. You're shook and pressed right now because you're feeling that. You're also feeling your ending and it sucks massive King Kong cock to know you're going to die seeing the future so drastically different from the past you grew up in and thought would last forever. Embrace your twilight.

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[Ishmael]

White asshole shitstains like the schmuck quoted above never mention the "black on black" trope as an argument for peace, but to justify violence against blacks, extrajudicial and otherwise.

Concurrently, white asshole shitstains like the schmuck quoted above who trot out the "black on black" trope as a bullshit way to suggest that whites are better or more socially civilized because they commit less murders and crimes never recognize that they are also admitting that women are better than men for the exact same reason.

As someone said, you'll never want to honestly introspect as to why it's this way, or how it got that way. Doing so would mean facing harsh truths and admitting culpability. It's much easier to sit back in your comfort and fantasize that everyone started out on the same level and that centuries of a nation built on slavery and genocide through a structure of multilayered and intersectional white supremacy is all eradicated lickety-split because there's a black president and someone like Oprah is a billionaire that could buy thousands of you. It is this same simple-Simon mentality that blames an entire black race for the actions of one black criminal but excuses a white person doing the same thing or worse as a mentally disturbed lone wolf outlier or anomaly. When this shit mentality blows up in your face, as it has done with many of the shootings that's happened recently, you'll search for any disposable just-add-water excuse in order to process it when the xenophobic convenience of having a Muslim terrorist isn't there to blame it away.

There is no fucking "cultural malaise," grandpa. There are just shitty people like you in this country and the greater world, generations upon generations deep, who have been an impediment to social progress and equality through their baked-in privilege and hegemony, since the very beginning. The clapback against your shit has been going on since that beginning, but it's growing incrementally stronger while you get lesser at the same rate. You're shook and pressed right now because you're feeling that. You're also feeling your ending and it sucks massive King Kong cock to know you're going to die seeing the future so drastically different from the past you grew up in and thought would last forever. Embrace your twilight.

http://i.minus.com/ifDQILWRytszm.gif

Hard to pass this one up. 99% of all violence against blacks are perpetrated by blacks. So where is all this angst coming from? Or even any evidence?

Perhaps it's escaped your attention but cops go where the crime is. And that's what they're paid to do. Seems to me that it would be a good idea to remove all police efforts re. the black community. Seems to me that nation wide that is exactly what is happening. Gotta be careful what you ask for.

Did you know that the US cannot deploy African-American soldiers in Africa? They piss the locals off and require extraction. African-American my ass.

And just how is it that it is anyone's fault outside the black community that blacks prey on blacks? Calling me names doesn't answer that question. "Those damn white slavers are the blame for my plight in life. I'm going to go kill (rob - burglarize) my brothers and sisters." Yeah buddy, that backs up your bullshit.

99% of ALL crime perpetrated in the black community is perpetrated by blacks. That's the fact of the matter and there is NO way you can lay it off to outside influence. It's endemic and cultural. To even suggest that the unjustified shooting of a black by the police, which does happen (to whites as well), as justification to rape your own community is truly borderline insane.

If that's your attitude.....fine. Govern your own communities. Don't bother to ask for outside help. And if your particular brand of dealing with issues spills over into my community, expect to get shot. I'm not going to put up with that bullshit, or the convoluted logic behind it.

Ishmael

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Hard to pass this one up. 99% of all violence against blacks are perpetrated by blacks. So where is all this angst coming from? Or even any evidence?

Perhaps it's escaped your attention but cops go where the crime is. And that's what they're paid to do. Seems to me that it would be a good idea to remove all police efforts re. the black community. Seems to me that nation wide that is exactly what is happening. Gotta be careful what you ask for.

Did you know that the US cannot deploy African-American soldiers in Africa? They piss the locals off and require extraction. African-American my ass.

And just how is it that it is anyone's fault outside the black community that blacks prey on blacks? Calling me names doesn't answer that question. "Those damn white slavers are the blame for my plight in life. I'm going to go kill (rob - burglarize) my brothers and sisters." Yeah buddy, that backs up your bullshit.

99% of ALL crime perpetrated in the black community is perpetrated by blacks. That's the fact of the matter and there is NO way you can lay it off to outside influence. It's endemic and cultural. To even suggest that the unjustified shooting of a black by the police, which does happen (to whites as well), as justification to rape your own community is truly borderline insane.

If that's your attitude.....fine. Govern your own communities. Don't bother to ask for outside help. And if your particular brand of dealing with issues spills over into my community, expect to get shot. I'm not going to put up with that bullshit, or the convoluted logic behind it.

Ishmael

https://33.media.tumblr.com/d6088df567b5268e84ec9685322fd687/tumblr_n7eitr3QiN1rgl05vo4_500.gif

Love it when you can't ignore your signature shitstain card getting pulled and the resulting bitch pressing is too much for you to not respond to me as is your usual wont.

You throw out a lot of mouth shit concerning race without source receipts to back it up. That's not really the worst bullshit from you, though. To add further insult to injury, you have no understanding of the history of how things got this way in the past through people like you and how it's being maintained in the present, by people like you.

I post proof and evidence contrary to your "endemic and cultural" bullshit damn near every day on this site, but you'll never go there. It's not what you want to hear and you're too chickenshit to participate in the Politics Forum to begin with. Your former BFFs on here couldn't deal with it and neither can you.

Oh, yeah...let's pop that last bubble of delusion you're blowing since your Franzia box is almost drained...I don't have to worry about anyone ever getting shot by you. Math says you'll be dead long before you see the realization of your fears in our progress come to pass and even if by some chance your myopic Mr. Magoo eyes thinks it sees something going down by someone black or brown and gets the gumption to have your finger want to pull a trigger, you'll likely be getting someone else to do your dirty work for you. As usual.

Go call your buddy George Zimmerman, he's good at actualizing your fantasies and I hear he needs the work now.

 

[Que]

The President's hand-picked FBI Director is so absolutely clueless that he's now stating citizen-shot viral video could be a cause for the rise in violent crime, ffs.

Sounds like the Benghazi playbook is still in play.

Thanks, Obama!

FBI Director Links Rise In Violent Crime To Viral Videos
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/james-comey-police-videos_562b7ea9e4b0ec0a3894a8ec

To protect themselves from spurious allegations, cops travel in pairs in areas with significant black population now. That cuts the number of units available to respond in half.

Add to that the shameful encouragement of calls for racially driven assassination of police officers for no other reason than having the courage to work in crime ridden black communities, made so by backs themselves, they now arrive with a minimum of two cars and they hold back response time until that is available. That cuts responding units in half again.

When you have diminished the capacity to handle 25% of the calls you used to be able to handle, response times go up by a factor of four. Because mathematics.

Criminals notice slow response times and act more brazenly.

 

[Ishmael]

https://33.media.tumblr.com/d6088df567b5268e84ec9685322fd687/tumblr_n7eitr3QiN1rgl05vo4_500.gif

Love it when you can't ignore your signature shitstain card getting pulled and the resulting bitch pressing is too much for you to not respond to me as is your usual wont.

You throw out a lot of mouth shit concerning race without source receipts to back it up. That's not really the worst bullshit from you, though. To add further insult to injury, you have no understanding of the history of how things got this way in the past through people like you and how it's being maintained in the present, by people like you.

I post proof and evidence contrary to your "endemic and cultural" bullshit damn near every day on this site, but you'll never go there. It's not what you want to hear and you're too chickenshit to participate in the Politics Forum to begin with. Your former BFFs on here couldn't deal with it and neither can you.

Oh, yeah...let's pop that last bubble of delusion you're blowing since your Franzia box is almost drained...I don't have to worry about anyone ever getting shot by you. Math says you'll be dead long before you see the realization of your fears in our progress come to pass and even if by some chance your myopic Mr. Magoo eyes thinks it sees something going down by someone black or brown and gets the gumption to have your finger want to pull a trigger, you'll likely be getting someone else to do your dirty work for you. As usual.

Go call your buddy George Zimmerman, he's good at actualizing your fantasies and I hear he needs the work now.

I can pull the "view this post" card anytime I want. At least for now.

The rest of your post is rambling bullshit. Of course damn near all your posts are.,

You pull more shit out your ass than a zoo monkey. Not one, not one, utterance of yours addresses the problem.

Ishmael

PS I don't drink wine you stupid bastard.

 

[pensivepoet]

For the love of God, whatever happened to the art of brevity?

 

[DesEsseintes]

For the love of God, whatever happened to the art of brevity?

Martin Luther would still be writing out his theses at this rate.

 

[Ishmael]

Martin Luther would still be writing out his theses at this rate.

Thoughts reduced to sound bites? *chuckle*

Ishmael

 

[Que]

For the love of God, whatever happened to the art of brevity?

Brevity?

*blink*

What?

 

[DesEsseintes]

Thoughts reduced to sound bites? *chuckle*

Ishmael

A diamond is just compressed graphite.

 

[Que]

A diamond is just compressed graphite.

Yes, but just like a fully fleshed out point, it takes a lot of time to make one.

I do admire pith though.

 

[Ishmael]

A diamond is just compressed graphite.

And in that case compression is refinement. I look forward to cogent arguments. Used to be common here, not so much anymore.

Ishmael

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I can pull the "view this post" card anytime I want. At least for now.

The rest of your post is rambling bullshit. Of course damn near all your posts are.,

You pull more shit out your ass than a zoo monkey. Not one, not one, utterance of yours addresses the problem.

Ishmael

PS I don't drink wine you stupid bastard.

I see you talking shit as usual in between your flask flips but no receipts. Again, as usual.

No problemo, Franzia. Keep burrowing in this section of Lit where it's safer for you to talk your shit, continue pushing that "view this post" button when you know your shit is being called out and you feel more pressed than the pair of pants you just pissed in because the people you have to ignore can smell you coming a mile away. I got more time to see better days happening than you ever will with your remaining just bitching about them.

Them's real facts.

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