Climate continues to change.

[4est_4est_Gump]

By the time that happens everywhere, if it ever does, which seems unlikely, the world's human population will have increased a disgusting amount. No, can't wait on that imaginary worldwide prosperity to save the planet from environmental disaster.

I've been hearing that since the 60s. At the same time, we had signs in KANSAS that said every farmer feeds x-number of people. Every year that I can remember, thanks to technology, that x increased.

It is easier to preach doom and gloom than it is to achieve it in a free society.

 

[toubab]

I've been hearing that since the 60s. At the same time, we had signs in KANSAS that said every farmer feeds x-number of people. Every year that I can remember, thanks to technology, that x increased.

It is easier to preach doom and gloom than it is to achieve it in a free society.

Fuck technology. Increased use of fertilizers and genetic engineering of crops to support a higher human population is not the way to go, in my opinion.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Fuck technology. Increased use of fertilizers and genetic engineering of crops to support a higher human population is not the way to go, in my opinion.

Then get your wooden shoes together and go attack a tractor.



Good luck with that, the operators tend to be armed...

 

[toubab]

Then get your wooden shoes together and go attack a tractor.



Good luck with that, the operators tend to be armed...

I prefer trying to convince people population control is a good idea.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I prefer trying to convince people population control is a good idea.

Define "Population Control."

Control almost always denotes force. Government is force. China tried that. That's why we adopted our "Asian" daughter...

So that we could redefine humanity for her and her culture.

 

[toubab]

Define "Population Control."

Control almost always denotes force. Government is force. China tried that. That's why we adopted our "Asian" daughter...

So that we could redefine humanity for her and her culture.

Do you think it's a coincidence that China limited its population growth and is now becoming an economic power in the world? Not that I'm advocating the kinds of measures taken there, but voluntary measures are certainly to be supported.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Do you think it's a coincidence that China limited its population growth and is now becoming an economic power in the world? Not that I'm advocating the kinds of measures taken there, but voluntary measures are certainly to be supported.

China is a chimera behind a facade. They've been cooking their numbers for years, built roads that go to nowhere, built cities no one is living in and so shoddily built high-speed rail that it now travels slower than AmTrack because of the dangers to its rails. Did you not notice their recent economic meltdown and the artificial measures they took to say it's not so?

As they would say on ESPN...

COME ON MAN!​

 

[toubab]

China is a chimera behind a facade. They've been cooking their numbers for years, built roads that go to nowhere, built cities no one is living in and so shoddily built high-speed rail that now travels slower than AmTrack because of the dangers to its rails. Did you not notice their recent economic meltdown and the artificial measures they took to say it's not so?

As the would say on ESPN...

COME ON MAN!​

Think of how bad it would be with hundreds of millions of extra mouths to feed over there.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Think of how bad it would be with hundreds of millions of extra mouths to feed over there.

There is a limit to what they can feed.

That alone is a deterrent to effective population growth.

And, having seen the orphanages, there might not have been the dramatic drawdown of population growth that you imagine. The Chinese love and celebrate children. I saw that first hand at every restaurant that we visited where our daughter was whisked off to the back with the cries of lucky baby to be introduced to the entire family.

When people are poor, they have more children, it is their social safety net. When they are affluent, children are a pain in the ass, so they import replacements who may, or may not, share their cultural values. Before they import, they establish a Social Safety net which is no more than a Ponzi scheme...

 

[toubab]

There is a limit to what they can feed.

That alone is a deterrent to effective population growth.

And, having seen the orphanages, there might not have been the dramatic drawdown of population growth that you imagine. The Chinese love and celebrate children. I saw that first hand at every restaurant that we visited where our daughter was whisked off to the back with the cries of lucky baby to be introduced to the entire family.

When people are poor, they have more children, it is their social safety net. When they are affluent, children are a pain in the ass, so they import replacements who may, or may not, share their cultural values. Before they import, they establish a Social Safety net which is no more than a Ponzi scheme...

I don't care whether the people having more than a replacement level of children are rich or poor. Enough is enough, and we have enough already.

 

[Que]

Do you think it's a coincidence that China limited its population growth and is now becoming an economic power in the world? Not that I'm advocating the kinds of measures taken there, but voluntary measures are certainly to be supported.

Kids are, initially a drain on resources. Foregoing them temporarily frees up resources for capital expenditures. In the long run, a lower, aging population is an economic disaster. You have no workers to produce goods and services to maintain your GDP and care for those too old to work.

Unless you are going to just shoot people when they are too old to be productive. That would work.

 

[thør]

Time to put some folding chairs on an ice floe.

 

[warrior queen]

I prefer trying to convince people population control is a good idea.

I'm wondering how that would work in third world countries?
We already have effective population control in developed countries, sortof.
Might have to kill off all the anti-abortion crowd though....

 

[toubab]

Kids are, initially a drain on resources. Foregoing them temporarily frees up resources for capital expenditures. In the long run, a lower, aging population is an economic disaster. You have no workers to produce goods and services to maintain your GDP and care for those too old to work.

Unless you are going to just shoot people when they are too old to be productive. That would work.

We don't have a shortage of workers. We have a shortage of jobs.

 

[toubab]

I'm wondering how that would work in third world countries?
We already have effective population control in developed countries, sortof.
Might have to kill off all the anti-abortion crowd though....

We should be helping countries with high birthrates to control their populations by whatever methods they wish.

 

[thør]

We don't have a shortage of workers. We have a shortage of jobs.

Try to find some skilled craftmen that don't mind getting their hands dirty.

 

[Que]

We don't have a shortage of workers. We have a shortage of jobs.

We have low birthrates amongst those with higher education, we are breeding a large underclass. In theory there should be no reason they could not become skilled and or educated. Statistics don't bear that out.

The Chinese are barely staying ahead of the curve with workers because of automation, which by the way is why we have a current surfeit. As Thor points out, we need skilled workers in a lot of fields. Laborers we have more than enough even if we hadn't imported 20,000,000 largely uneducated, unskilled, impoverished workers.

 

[toubab]

Try to find some skilled craftmen that don't mind getting their hands dirty.

That has nothing to do with a shortage of people in the world. More like a shortage of the right kind of people.

 

[toubab]

We have low birthrates amongst those with higher education, we are breeding a large underclass. In theory there should be no reason they could not become skilled and or educated. Statistics don't bear that out.

The Chinese are barely staying ahead of the curve with workers because of automation, which by the way is why we have a current surfeit. As Thor points out, we need skilled workers in a lot of fields. Laborers we have more than enough even if we hadn't imported 20,000,000 largely uneducated, unskilled, impoverished workers.

It's true the high birthrate problem is not universal, and some countries, and some groups of people, should have more children in order to achieve a replacement rate balance, but that does not mean there are too few humans being born into the world overall. Far from it.

 

[thør]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRYcAPsUcAAJQdz.png

 

[phrodeau]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRYcAPsUcAAJQdz.png

That's after less than two weeks of spring.

 

[thør]

That's after less than two weeks of spring.

There's thermal lag.

 

[phrodeau]

There's thermal lag.

That's true. The Antarctic sea ice maximum occurred later this year than average.

 

[phrodeau]

http://mg.co.za/article/2015-10-19-last-12-months-hottest-ever-recorded

Meteorological data released by NASA in the United States this month said last September was the second hottest September on record. Given this, the agency said there was a 99% chance that 2015 would be the hottest year ever recorded.

The Japan Meteorological Agency has recorded this September as slightly hotter than last year, making it the hottest on record.

The previous hottest year ever recorded was 2014, with average global temperatures 0.27°C above the average for 1981 to 2000. This saw average temperatures broken from May until the end of the year. Ten of the hottest years on record have come since 1998, where an unusually strong El Niño pushed up global temperatures.

The World Meteorological Agency said last year was the 38th consecutive year of above-average temperatures.

http://cdn.mg.co.za/crop/content/images/2015/10/19/graphicheat.JPG/950x600

 

[thør]

All models are wrong. Some are useful.