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[4est_4est_Gump]

We were normaler.

Who are you to define "normal?"

It's the Hegelian battle cry.



You probably suffer from the delusional condition identified as "white privilege..."

 

[toubab]

Well, maybe he's a lederhosen kid!

He should be tested.

Probably not necessary, since his mother is known.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Probably not necessary, since his mother is known.

We're never going to know, at least from the mainstream press.



They need a pure-white Republican (not Irish Republican Army) shooter.

 

[toubab]

We're never going to know, at least from the mainstream press.



They need a pure-white Republican (not Irish Republican Army) shooter.

It is interesting how little race is mentioned when these mass killers or serial killers are non-white.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It is interesting how little race is mentioned when these mass killers or serial killers are non-white.

I mentioned that way back in the first few pages...

 

[miles]

More gun control is a simple solution for simple minds.

How are those laws working out in Chicago?

We have too many traffic deaths. Let's ban cars.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Is it too soon?



Watching the interviews from the CC, does Oregon have an obesity problem?

 

[Wrong Element]

It's been reported his mother is black. He listed himself as mixed race on MySpace.

It is interesting how little race is mentioned when these mass killers or serial killers are non-white.

Yeah, hardly anyone talks about it.

 

[Disgustipated]

Just when we though the BroPatrol was dead, new members have been recruited and jumped in. Welcome 3Bob and Q-Bert to the fold.

 

[Lancecastor]

Born in England, he was looking for a woman:

In the profile, the personality type he is looking for is “intellectual, punk, introvert, loner, lover, geek, nerd” with an “individuality” of “piercings, psychic, tattoos, vampire”.

Anyone heard from Sean since yesterday afternoon?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Born in England, he was looking for a woman:



Anyone heard from Sean since yesterday afternoon?

Okay, I laughed.

I am not a smart man.

 

[miles]

They found him in the gutter this morning covered in his own vomit.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The simple truth is that American society is sick. I think it could be the loss of values and morals. I can't think of any practical legislation that can make this stop. It seriously is not the guns, it is us; we're sick, we have no morals.Not that long ago, in my community, teenagers on the rifle team took their rifles on the school bus. No one even thought twice about it. These kids came from families, with mothers and fathers that loved them. Mothers and fathers who recognized their responsibility as parents. They weren't warehoused at 8weeks of age because both parents had to work. We've foolishly denied the unique roles and responsibilities of men and women in raising children. Society has told women that being a mother is not enough and that they have to work outside the home to be fulfilled. In my lifetime, we've seen the transition to where the majority of children in school come from families where the parents are divorced. In the past we recognized that there were people who were mentally ill and posed a danger to the rest of us. Our landscape is littered with abandoned insane asylums because we decided that it was alright to have mentally ill people free in society. We released the mentally ill because we were "enlightened" but we gave them no support. I still remember seeing my first "bag lady". It was shocking. Human refuse on Fifth Avenue. We, as a society, have to look in the mirror. We are the problem. If we are going to focus on guns, laws are not going to help. We have to reduce the actual number of guns in society. Halt the production and sale. Confiscate legally owned guns; limit the number a person can own. Restrict the amount and power of ammunition. That won't work, of course. It will just trigger more resentment. The political response to the most recent tragedy represents a lack of leadership from feckless politicians.

You might like this:

If the pace of life seems overwhelming, it might well be because we have assumed so many of the jobs once held by others. This is the position of Craig Lambert in his book, Shadow Work: The Unpaid, Unseen Jobs that Fill Your Day (Counterpoint, Berkeley, 2015). The Harvard sociologist takes a look at the myriad tasks that have been thrust upon consumers in an ever-faster paced world.

He calls it "shadow work" -- those self-service activities that we welcome into our lives in the name of convenience and autonomy. We now pump our own gas, check out our own groceries, and buy and print our own plane tickets. Although not employed by any of the companies that provide these products and services, we nevertheless do the things once done by employees… but without the paychecks.

Lambert’s description of life in the shadows is complete and exhaustive, if not exhausting to those who play the game. We find shadow work in the home, in school, the workplace and during leisure. Armies of kiosks and robots have now embedded themselves into our lives and have taken that human touch away from economy and culture that make life interesting and meaningful. It is a “fast, fast, me, me, now, now” world with “less human contact.”

A brave new world in the shadows awaits us as Lambert supplies example after example of shadow work from movies at home (where the consumer supplies place, projection, and concessions) to self-checkout (where the shopper becomes the cashier) to the disappearance of business support staff (where executives absorb secretarial functions). With everyone doing all their own things, people become isolated, each in their own “silos.” They are increasingly hostile to communicating directly and prefer mediating relationships through their machines… and in a mechanical manner.

Much worse than the practical implications of this exhaustive addition of so much unpaid work to our already overburdened schedules, there are alarming social implications. The shadow world is a development of the massification of the individual that has long characterized modern times.

This can be seen in shadow work’s destruction of those small but meaningful contacts that make up the glue that binds people together in community. Lambert rightly laments “society fragmenting into millions of atomized, siloed individuals.” He sees a trend of life “without connection to the community, and thus setting the stage for anomie and social breakdown.”

...

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/life_in_the_shadows.html#ixzz3nPm1p2qD

 

[toubab]

Yeah, hardly anyone talks about it.

Some people take note of it. Mainstream "journalists" and "reporters" seem to avoid it like the plague. Which is probably the reason white men have the reputation of being more likely to commit these types of crimes than other men. Not everyone is under that misapprehension, however.

 

[hazbeen]

THIS COMPLICATES THE NARRATIVE: ‘You’re going to see God’: Oregon shooter asked hostages if they were Christians, witnesses say. So crazed gunmen target Christians, and Obama’s answer is to support disarmament. Uh huh.

 

[toubab]

I'm not a huge fan of partisan back-and-forth either, my posting history notwithstanding.

The whole point here is that there's no real "debate," in the sense of two or more sides trying to figure out a solution. Half the country either believes that these periodic massacres are the price we pay for a free society (never mind all the free societies on Earth where these incidents almost never occur), or insist that we could prevent such crimes by having every American citizen walk around like Rambo at all times. There is no worthwhile debate or discussion to be had with such folks.

Instead of slamming Obama for expressing his condolences, or filling up multiple pages with hopeful posts that they might use the shooter's identity to score points against races and/or religions that they hate, maybe the more frequent posters in this thread might want to address your questions instead. Of course, that would take real thought.

Mass killings such as this are not a huge problem, so need no "real thought" from anybody, if your meaning is there is a huge need to do something drastic about them.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I'm not a huge fan of partisan back-and-forth either, my posting history notwithstanding.

The whole point here is that there's no real "debate," in the sense of two or more sides trying to figure out a solution. Half the country either believes that these periodic massacres are the price we pay for a free society (never mind all the free societies on Earth where these incidents almost never occur), or insist that we could prevent such crimes by having every American citizen walk around like Rambo at all times. There is no worthwhile debate or discussion to be had with such folks.

Instead of slamming Obama for expressing his condolences, or filling up multiple pages with hopeful posts that they might use the shooter's identity to score points against races and/or religions that they hate, maybe the more frequent posters in this thread might want to address your questions instead. Of course, that would take real thought.

Before the Civil War what folks did was teach their kids how to shoot, and put them in finishing schools to learn manners.

 

[kbate]

Instead of slamming Obama for expressing his condolences, or filling up multiple pages with hopeful posts that they might use the shooter's identity to score points against races and/or religions that they hate, maybe the more frequent posters in this thread might want to address your questions instead. Of course, that would take real thought.

The problem is what?

Real thought? You wouldn't accept any solution that does not include removing some kind of gun or more guns, or all guns from America. As Laurel stated, that is politically impossible and completely unrealistic.

When I said we need to have mandatory mental health testing - that was only half sarcasm. We're a nation in which 30% of adults visit a psychiatrist to get some sort of medication for depression or anxiety, but the only thing we do for children is tranquilize them to prevent ADD. We ignore them once they reach puberty and the age of sexual exploration and turn them over to schools and video games.

Why don't I kill? Why don't you? What made us relatively normal?

It wasn't that I lacked access to guns. I've been shooting since I was 12 or so and guns were just part of country life. It wasn't constant parenting; I went to a boarding school and rarely saw my parents from September through May.

What makes a killer? Perhaps we need to start at 0 instead of at cleanup and presidents on stumps?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The other half of the country believes that moral relativism plays no part in the increase of aberrant behavior and thus we have an impasse, a mistrust, an inability to communicate and an increase of gun ownership by "our" half of the non-debate when faced by the lawlessness of that feral society that is being told that its lack of values is every bit as valid, and probably superior to those outdated 1950s Leave it to Beaver Christian values of the rest of America. When they, the bad half, those who believe in right and wrong, do seek to arm and protect themselves, they are shouted at with much anger and hostility as being the root of all of our problems for clinging to country, guns and Bibles.

 

[kbate]

Probably because you haven't been able to get closer to JBJ.

I will think on this and return later with a second opinion.

 

[hazbeen]

The problem is what?

Real thought? You wouldn't accept any solution that does not include removing some kind of gun or more guns, or all guns from America. As Laurel stated, that is politically impossible and completely unrealistic.

When I said we need to have mandatory mental health testing - that was only half sarcasm. We're a nation in which 30% of adults visit a psychiatrist to get some sort of medication for depression or anxiety, but the only thing we do for children is tranquilize them to prevent ADD. We ignore them once they reach puberty and the age of sexual exploration and turn them over to schools and video games.

Why don't I kill? Why don't you? What made us relatively normal?

It wasn't that I lacked access to guns. I've been shooting since I was 12 or so and guns were just part of country life. It wasn't constant parenting; I went to a boarding school and rarely saw my parents from September through May.

What makes a killer? Perhaps we need to start at 0 instead of at cleanup and presidents on stumps?

who decides who is healthy or unhealthy

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Before the Civil War what folks did was teach their kids how to shoot, and put them in finishing schools to learn manners.

A bunch of Southern Belles were having a reunion after their first year of finishing school. Four were from families of means, the fifth, not so much so. One after one, the richer young ladies told of the wonderful things they were learning and the wonderful lives their daddies had purchased for them. After every testimony, the poorer girl simply said, "That's nice."

Finally, they turned to her in a catty, upper-crust fashion and asked, "What did you learn at your school?"

"We learned to say that's nice instead of Fuck You..."

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That might have been kbate's Alma Mater...

 

[kbate]

who decides who is healthy or unhealthy:colic:

Teachers, parents, doctors. You trust them to teach your kids, you demand better parenting, your doctor prescribes your heart pressure medicine.

Why don't you want our children to be tested? Is it because you enjoy reading about dead college kids and can score some minor lit political 'Winz!" when one of the killers is black or once visited an Islamic website?

 

[kbate]

I will think on this and return later with a second opinion.

Ok. I have thought:

It appears that Twice in every 5 years (or so) you can be correct. Don't let it go to your head.

 

[hazbeen]

Teachers, parents, doctors. You trust them to teach your kids, you demand better parenting, your doctor prescribes your heart pressure medicine.

Why don't you want our children to be tested? Is it because you enjoy reading about dead college kids and can score some minor lit political 'Winz!" when one of the killers is black or once visited an Islamic website?

why?

look at what the JUDGE said about this guy

dinesh d'souza

you will have the answers