School and phones.

[Oh_That_Guy]

The students who do face consequences at home sufficient enough to convince them to follow rules aren't the problem.

Sure they are. All kids break the rules, it's part of being a kid.

 

[smoothg103rd]

And kids who don't want to learn will do that every day. Then their grades suffer. Then the school gets asked what they're doing to help that student. If the school has enough students like that, they'll lose a portion of their much-needed funding. If the phone is the root of the problem, it makes much more sense for the well-being of the student and the school to remove the phone.

Ban phones then. You don't take something that isn't yours and try to keep it.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Cellphones are a fact of life and schools need to adjust.
There's a gizmo available that interupts the cell signal in a room - if teachers/schools are that upset, they can always get one of those which the teacher can control.

My kids all had cellphones at high school and we never had a problem.

If the school had confiscated my kids phone I would have been seriously pissed..... I lived quite some distance away and would not have been able to drop everything to come to the school and get it.

And if they had done that, you SHOULD have been pissed -- at your daughter. If she is old enough to have a phone, she is old enough to understand the inconvenience SHE would have caused you (NOT the school) by violating a rule she was ALSO clearly old enough to understand.

Schools should not have to resort to "gizmos" where their authority ought to be more than enough. The question is why any parent would feel otherwise?

Since you have obviously NOT had this problem with your daughter, this would imply that you raised her correctly. Why on earth would you NOT hold other parents to this same standard, and instead place a greater burden on the school that it SHOULD NOT bear but for the exercise of appropriate parenting skills?

 

[smoothg103rd]

A bad seed is a bad seed. No punishment, beatings, counseling or none of that shit isn't going to help someone that doesn't want to be helped. How I was as a child, if a teacher took my phone and didn't give it back after class, I was taking my shit from him or her.

People are quick to blame the parents. But sometimes it's nothing the parents can do. Some kids, once they mind is made up, it's made up.

 

[smoothg103rd]

And if they had done that, you SHOULD have been pissed -- at your daughter. If she is old enough to have a phone, she is old enough to understand the inconvenience SHE would have caused you (NOT the school) by violating a rule she was ALSO clearly old enough to understand.

Schools should not have to resort to "gizmos" where their authority ought to be more than enough. The question is why any parent would feel otherwise?

Since you have obviously NOT had this problem with your daughter, this would imply that you raised her correctly. Why on earth would you NOT hold other parents to this same standard, and instead place a greater burden on the school that it SHOULD NOT bear but for the exercise of appropriate parenting skills?

In some cases, parenting skills aren't the issue.

 

[ElijaRDC]

Sure they are. All kids break the rules, it's part of being a kid.

Yep. All kids break the rules, but only as much as they can before the consequences for doing so make it not worthwhile.

Ban phones then. You don't take something that isn't yours and try to keep it.

So punish everyone for the behavior of a few. K.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Yep. All kids break the rules, but only as much as they can before the consequences for doing so make it not worthwhile.




So punish everyone for the behavior of a few. K.

You got a point.

Well then make it a automatic suspension. Taking away a phone and keeping it for days will get you hurt here. Taking it until the end of class or the end of the day is understandable. But for days,weeks and months? Nah.

Is the school going to pay that bill during the confiscation?

 

[Wings]

Why does Smooth seem to think the schools are keeping phones? They aren't. They remove them from the room and the parent goes into the office and picks it up. They aren't going to take a phone and sell it.

 

[warrior queen]

It is illegal to intentionally jam cell phone signals. The FCC and phone companies don't take it lightly.

I'm fairly sure schools would be able to get exemption from any such laws.

 

[smoothg103rd]

The local school system policy is that if a student disrupts a class with his/her phone it is taken away for the day and the parent has to show up to retrieve the phone. Second offense, a week. Third offense for the rest of the school year.


Ishmael

Why does Smooth seem to think the schools are keeping phones? They aren't. They remove them from the room and the parent goes into the office and picks it up. They aren't going to take a phone and sell it.

See??

 

[ElijaRDC]

You got a point.

Well then make it a automatic suspension. Taking away a phone and keeping it for days will get you hurt here. Taking it until the end of class or the end of the day is understandable. But for days,weeks and months? Nah.

Is the school going to pay that bill during the confiscation?

An automatic suspension has probably been shot down as being too severe a punishment for simple phone infractions. Suspensions are typically done in situations in which someone's physical safety has been put at risk. And again, if a student is suspended, he or she isn't learning.

If a parent doesn't want to pay for a phone that isn't being used, the parent should be making sure that the phone isn't being used irresponsibly. If the kid is simply incapable of using it responsibly, the parent can take it away.

 

[smoothg103rd]

An automatic suspension has probably been shot down as being too severe a punishment for simple phone infractions. Suspensions are typically done in situations in which someone's physical safety has been put at risk. And again, if a student is suspended, he or she isn't learning.

If a parent doesn't want to pay for a phone that isn't being used, the parent should be making sure that the phone isn't being used irresponsibly. If the kid is simply incapable of using it responsibly, the parent can take it away.

THE PARENTS NOT THE SCHOOL.

 

[warrior queen]

I'll relate a similar issue of class disruption......
In my youngest sons final year, they had a special needs student.
This student continuously yelled, hit and bit other students as well as the teacher.
Because of our stupid 'integration' rules, this kid could not be removed from the class or school.
Due to understaffing, the school assigned 2 fellow students to 'distract' him, one of whom was my son.
After a week of this, my kidlet came home and announced that he was quitting school as he wasn't actually learning anything anyway.
When I approached the school about it they told me I was being discriminatory because I agreed with my son!

Because of the lack of facilities, and the belief that children with special needs are entitled to an equal educational experience, this sort of disruption is now very common in many mainstream schools across Australia (currently a couple of schools are going thro criminal investigations because of restraining particularly aggressive autistic students).

Tbh - I would rather my son have been allowed to use his phone in class, or been disrupted by other phones.

 

[BiTodd]

Say what you want. As a teacher that's what you are, their teacher. You are not their parent. You can't take things from them at will.

As a parent it's my job to teach them not to do those things. Your job is to teach them the lesson. I take things away and punish them. Not no fucking school.

Really? I was wondering why being a teacher is not a desired career anymore. With irresponsible parents raising even more irresponsible kids, and teaching them to not respect any authority to boot ,no fucking wonder. Both of my parents were teachers and they let me know that if I got in trouble in school i would be in trouble at home. Too many parents are ready to defend their kids that know nothing about common consequences for actions.
Most parents need to grow up.
My girls both have phones and are allowed to have them at school. Similar rules are in place. Both of them follow the rules. And still have their phones.

 

[ElijaRDC]

THE PARENTS NOT THE SCHOOL.

BUT many.parents.won't.

 

[Lazurius]

So caught up in such inane concerns, it is no surprise the baby is being thrown out with the bath water all over the world these days.

 

[ElijaRDC]

Really? I was wondering why being a teacher is not a desired career anymore. With irresponsible parents raising even more irresponsible kids, and teaching them to not respect any authority to boot ,no fucking wonder. Both of my parents were teachers and they let me know that if I got in trouble in school i would be in trouble at home. Too many parents are ready to defend their kids that know nothing about common consequences for actions.
Most parents need to grow up.
My girls both have phones and are allowed to have them at school. Similar rules are in place. Both of them follow the rules. And still have their phones.

Both my parents were teachers too, retiring at the end of the 2013 year. I have lots of friends who are teachers, and when I started college I was planning to be one myself. I heard enough horror stories about bad parents (among other things) to nope myself right on outta there.

 

[BiTodd]

Both my parents were teachers too, retiring at the end of the 2013 year. I have lots of friends who are teachers, and when I started college I was planning to be one myself. I heard enough horror stories about bad parents (among other things) to nope myself right on outta there.

I guess we got a different perspective hearing the teacher's side of things year after year. Hearing about how dumbass parents were always coming in and defending their "little Johnny" , "Oh, my Johnny would neeeeveer do anything like that," yeah right.

The shit the kids would do behind their parent's backs, at school, and the parents thought they really knew what was going on in school. Sure thing....lol

 

[smoothg103rd]

Really? I was wondering why being a teacher is not a desired career anymore. With irresponsible parents raising even more irresponsible kids, and teaching them to not respect any authority to boot ,no fucking wonder. Both of my parents were teachers and they let me know that if I got in trouble in school i would be in trouble at home. Too many parents are ready to defend their kids that know nothing about common consequences for actions.
Most parents need to grow up.
My girls both have phones and are allowed to have them at school. Similar rules are in place. Both of them follow the rules. And still have their phones.

Whatever.

 

[smoothg103rd]

BUT many.parents.won't.

Many kids don't listen.

 

[doowdniw]

Our 10th grader has a phone which she takes to school. She knows the rules about non-use during classes and fully understands that if it is picked up at school for misuse, she'll also lose phone privileges at home.

I sub teach, now that I'm a gentleman of leisure, at three different schools and all of the kids have phones. Misuse is not a problem at any of the schools. The rules are clearly stated, they are discussed with the students at the beginning of each school year, as are the consequences of noncompliance, and they are consistently enforced. Not to say it never happens, but word gets around pretty quickly among the students when it does.

 

[deehere]

You got a point.

Well then make it a automatic suspension. Taking away a phone and keeping it for days will get you hurt here. Taking it until the end of class or the end of the day is understandable. But for days,weeks and months? Nah.

Is the school going to pay that bill during the confiscation?

Bottom line is yes, kids do break the rules BUT they must be taught that in life there are rules all of us must live by. We all have bosses or other people in authority over us and having rules is for the good of all so when they are grown they will be respectful, kind human beings. Until the little darlings learn to obey those simple rules without a hissy fit, phones, computers and other luxuries will be off limits for a time.Follow through with consequences for bad behavior.

 

[ElijaRDC]

Many kids don't listen.

And the bottom line is if the parents can't make them listen, the school can't either. All a school can do, in that situation, is try to deal with the problem in the best way they can for everyone. In the case of cell phones, many schools have found that that means implementing the policy that prompted this whole thread.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Bottom line is yes, kids do break the rules BUT they must be taught that in life there are rules all of us must live by. We all have bosses or other people in authority over us and having rules is for the good of all so when they are grown they will be respectful, kind human beings. Until the little darlings learn to obey those simple rules without a hissy fit, phones, computers and other luxuries will be off limits for a time.Follow through with consequences for bad behavior.

I'm a firm believer in consequences. I stand for beatings.

But I just don't think it's ok for the school to take the kids phone just like that.

 

[smoothg103rd]

And the bottom line is if the parents can't make them listen, the school can't either. All a school can do, in that situation, is try to deal with the problem in the best way they can for everyone. In the case of cell phones, many schools have found that that means implementing the policy that prompted this whole thread.

What I'm saying is that this policy will get a teacher hurt. Well here anyways .