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Aglaopheme

Aglaopheme

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So the full PPP Poll is now published. It shows, at least as I see it, not much has changed since the last presidential cycle. The tea partiers/birthers of the right whipped into a frenzy by a whisk of BS are here to stay. Trump, the king of the birthers, is dragging all of the other candidates to the extreme right. There's no tacking back to a more centerist view once you go full on birther crazy in your policy speak. The right created this monster, and once again, it's going to consume them.

Uniformed voters indeed!

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...bama-is-a-muslim-born-in-another-country.html

Our new poll finds that Trump is benefiting from a GOP electorate that thinks Barack Obama is a Muslim and was born in another country, and that immigrant children should be deported. 66% of Trump's supporters believe that Obama is a Muslim to just 12% that grant he's a Christian. 61% think Obama was not born in the United States to only 21% who accept that he was. And 63% want to amend the Constitution to eliminate birthright citizenship, to only 20% who want to keep things the way they are.
Trump's beliefs represent the consensus among the GOP electorate. 51% overall want to eliminate birthright citizenship. 54% think President Obama is a Muslim. And only 29% grant that President Obama was born in the United States. That's less than the 40% who think Canadian born Ted Cruz was born in the United States.
Trump's supporters aren't alone in those attitudes though. Only among supporters of John Kasich (58/13), Jeb Bush (56/18), Chris Christie (59/33), and Marco Rubio (42/30) are there more people who think President Obama was born in the United States than that he wasn't. And when you look at whose supporters are more inclined to think that the President is a Christian than a Muslim the list shrinks to just Christie (55/29), Kasich (41/22), and Bush (29/22). Bush's inability to appeal to the kind of people who hold these beliefs is what's keeping him from succeeding in the race- his overall favorability is 39/42, and with voters identifying themselves as 'very conservative' it's all the way down at 33/48.
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No one has moved anywhere. All but Trump remain sissy kneepad boys for WALMART and Wall Street. Bush, Rubio, Walker et al are 98 pound weaklings without a clue. Carson is a Magic Negro. Trump is simply a Playboy cennterfold none will ever trade spit with. But our Hitler will come, to scare the illegals to Hell, and fill the camps with queers and the criminal class.
 
So no one has tacked to the right? No one's changed their stance on any issues? Common core? The 14th Amendment? Okie dokie

Here have a cookie!
 
You know what, Trump has tacked the farthest. All the way from being a Clinton supporter that said he sides more with the Democrats.

I'd better make the 2 cookies!
 
Aglaopheme said:
So the full PPP Poll is now published. It shows, at least as I see it, not much has changed since the last presidential cycle. The tea partiers/birthers of the right whipped into a frenzy by a whisk of BS are here to stay. Trump, the king of the birthers, is dragging all of the other candidates to the extreme right. There's no tacking back to a more centerist view once you go full on birther crazy in your policy speak. The right created this monster, and once again, it's going to consume them.

Uniformed voters indeed!


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Our new poll finds that Trump is benefiting from a GOP electorate that thinks Barack Obama is a Muslim and was born in another country, and that immigrant children should be deported. 66% of Trump's supporters believe that Obama is a Muslim to just 12% that grant he's a Christian. 61% think Obama was not born in the United States to only 21% who accept that he was. And 63% want to amend the Constitution to eliminate birthright citizenship, to only 20% who want to keep things the way they are.
Trump's beliefs represent the consensus among the GOP electorate. 51% overall want to eliminate birthright citizenship. 54% think President Obama is a Muslim. And only 29% grant that President Obama was born in the United States. That's less than the 40% who think Canadian born Ted Cruz was born in the United States.
Trump's supporters aren't alone in those attitudes though. Only among supporters of John Kasich (58/13), Jeb Bush (56/18), Chris Christie (59/33), and Marco Rubio (42/30) are there more people who think President Obama was born in the United States than that he wasn't. And when you look at whose supporters are more inclined to think that the President is a Christian than a Muslim the list shrinks to just Christie (55/29), Kasich (41/22), and Bush (29/22). Bush's inability to appeal to the kind of people who hold these beliefs is what's keeping him from succeeding in the race- his overall favorability is 39/42, and with voters identifying themselves as 'very conservative' it's all the way down at 33/48.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/...bama-is-a-muslim-born-in-another-country.html
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"Birthers" are those people who believe Obama was born in Kenya and is not a natural born citizen. This is a dead issue now, except for those who believe Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen.

As for whether Obama is a Muslim or not, there is some evidence that he is. His father was, and the school he attended in Indonesia listed him as a Muslim. He attended a sort of Christian church in Chicago where the pastor expressed hatred of the US and sounded more like an Iranian mullah than a Christian clergyman.
 
Geez......do you read anything box? At least, we know you answer your phone when the pollsters call. ;)
 
Boxlicker101 said:
"Birthers" are those people who believe Obama was born in Kenya and is not a natural born citizen. This is a dead issue now, except for those who believe Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen.

As for whether Obama is a Muslim or not, there is some evidence that he is. His father was, and the school he attended in Indonesia listed him as a Muslim. He attended a sort of Christian church in Chicago where the pastor expressed hatred of the US and sounded more like an Iranian mullah than a Christian clergyman.
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How is that a dead issue? Cruz was born in Canada. And I recall McCain was born in Panama. If being born out of the country is a disqualifier which was always the argument of the Birthers. The citizenship status of his mother was never in question meaning that he could have been born on Krypton and it wouldn't have mattered one bit. But the subject limped on well into 2012 with few Republicans calling it bullshit. It's just the height of partisanship that Cruz is allowed to play the game.

No, there is no evidence that he was. He didn't know his father. This is documented fact so his father could have beena Nazi and it would be meaningless. I'd be curious what precisely happened in Indonesia for what it would matter since to the best of my knowledge his mother is Christian and he attended a Christian church in Chicago. Nothing "sort of" about it nor was there hatred of the US expressed. But oh well believe whatever crazy you want.
 
Sean Renaud said:
How is that a dead issue? Cruz was born in Canada. And I recall McCain was born in Panama. If being born out of the country is a disqualifier which was always the argument of the Birthers. The citizenship status of his mother was never in question meaning that he could have been born on Krypton and it wouldn't have mattered one bit. But the subject limped on well into 2012 with few Republicans calling it bullshit. It's just the height of partisanship that Cruz is allowed to play the game.

No, there is no evidence that he was. He didn't know his father. This is documented fact so his father could have beena Nazi and it would be meaningless. I'd be curious what precisely happened in Indonesia for what it would matter since to the best of my knowledge his mother is Christian and he attended a Christian church in Chicago. Nothing "sort of" about it nor was there hatred of the US expressed. But oh well believe whatever crazy you want.
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I have my doubts about Cruz, but McCain was born on a US naval base in the Canal Zone, which was an American possession at the time.

I say "sort of " a Christian church because the pastor there was about the most un-Christian pastor I have ever heard. The hatred Jeremiah Wright has for the US is well documented. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4443788
 
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Boxlicker101 said:
I have my doubts about Cruz, but McCain was born on a US naval base in the Canal Zone, which was an American possession at the time.

I say "sort of " a Christian church because the pastor there was about the most un-Christian pastor I have ever heard. The hatred Jeremiah Wright has for the US is well documented.
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It is?

Tell us, is his hatred of the US as bad as Donald Trump's well-documented hatred of the US?
 
Boxlicker101 said:
"Birthers" are those people who believe Obama was born in Kenya and is not a natural born citizen. This is a dead issue now, except for those who believe Ted Cruz is not a natural born citizen.

As for whether Obama is a Muslim or not, there is some evidence that he is. His father was, and the school he attended in Indonesia listed him as a Muslim. He attended a sort of Christian church in Chicago where the pastor expressed hatred of the US and sounded more like an Iranian mullah than a Christian clergyman.
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Oh for fuck's sake! My father's surname is Diamond, so that makes me Jewish, RIGHT?!
My son attended Catholic schools, so that automatically makes him Catholic?
My wedding was blessed by the Catholic church, so that makes my wife Catholic, right?

Stop with the bullshit!!
I was an altar boy, so I was molested by priests, right? Your ignorance and hatred are showing!
 
Boxlicker101 said:
I have my doubts about Cruz, but McCain was born on a US naval base in the Canal Zone, which was an American possession at the time.

I say "sort of " a Christian church because the pastor there was about the most un-Christian pastor I have ever heard. The hatred Jeremiah Wright has for the US is well documented. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4443788
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Boxlicker101 said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright_controversy

Can you show anything about Trump in which he expresses hatred for the United States?
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Those quotes aren't hatred, they are undeniable facts. They aren't even opinions that someone could argue about.

Correction. It's unproven that we knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor. Lots of non-tinfoil hat types think it's not a coincidence that the carriers happened to be away during the attack and we know that FDR was essentially looking for a reason to enter a war that didn't have popular support at the time. So that is an opinion.

As technically is the lie about the Iraq war. Bush may have just been retarded.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
I have my doubts about Cruz, but McCain was born on a US naval base in the Canal Zone, which was an American possession at the time.

I say "sort of " a Christian church because the pastor there was about the most un-Christian pastor I have ever heard. The hatred Jeremiah Wright has for the US is well documented. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4443788
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Boxlicker101 said:
See all this:

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4NDKB_enUS560US560&q=jeremiah+wright
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I'm looking for anything he said or did that means he hates the US. Which one's relevant?
 
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