So, the Republican terrorist in Louisiana...

[ms_ann_thrope]

I know what I'm saying...

If you think I'm wrong then explain and quit dancing around nothing like you got something.

You can't say we need mo-better laws and then say the criminals aren't going to abide by them.

We'll you can say it, and it's true, but it defeats your argument.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're a teacher right? Ask them yourself.

Hard time facing the reality that something better just might be needed hua??

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Hard time facing the reality that something better just might be needed hua??

I don't know what that means.

 

[smoothg103rd]

You're a teacher right? Ask them yourself.

Are yall speaking of gangbangers?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Are yall speaking of gangbangers?

He wants to know where gangs get their guns. I could answer but I haven't.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You can't say we need mo-better laws and then say the criminals aren't going to abide by them.

We'll you can say it, and it's true, but it defeats your argument.

Plenty of laws that criminals ignore directly shape their behavior as well as the law abiding civilian and LEO's.

It doesn't defeat my argument you're just wishing "laws don't matter because criminals don't follow them" was true because you're really just that simple but reality is far more complex MsAnn.

Laws effect criminals, even and especially when they don't follow them. If it didn't the very concept of law and order wouldn't exist.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't know what that means.

[QUOTE="ms_ann_thrope, post: 69628299, member: 1437602"]He wants to know where gangs get their guns. I could answer but I haven't.[/QUOTE]

That means I don't think you can answer him because it would force you to admit that there is some room for improvement to be had in the regulation/enforcement of private firearm ownership in America. Means taking your lips of the GOP/NRA's dick for 2 seconds and I don't think you have it in you.

That's why you're dancing around it....

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Plenty of laws that criminals ignore directly shape their behavior as well as the law abiding civilian and LEO's.

It doesn't defeat my argument you're just wishing "laws don't matter because criminals don't follow them" was true because you're really just that simple but reality is far more complex MsAnn.

Laws effect criminals, even and especially when they don't follow them. If it didn't the very concept of law and order wouldn't exist.

You keep making the same flawed argument only with more words.

 

[smoothg103rd]

He wants to know where gangs get their guns. I could answer but I haven't.

I would also like to hear your answer. I'm Crip, so I know how we get our guns. But I'm can't speak for everyone else.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

That means I don't think you can answer him because it would force you to admit that there is some room for improvement to be had in the regulation/enforcement of private firearm ownership in America. Means taking your lips of the GOP/NRA's dick for 2 seconds and I don't think you have it in you.

That's why you're dancing around it....

How many civil rights are law abiding citizens expected to relinquish to make a fraction of a percent difference in crimes they don't commit?

You already admitted that laws don't apply to people that don't abide by them.

I know where they get their guns. Any idiot can figure that out.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

How many civil rights are law abiding citizens expected to relinquish to make a fraction of a percent difference in crimes they don't commit?

You already admitted that laws don't apply to people that don't abide by them.

I know where they get their guns. Any idiot can figure that out.

So tell us.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I would also like to hear your answer. I'm Crip, so I know how we get our guns. But I'm can't speak for everyone else.

Since you asked nice:

gun shows
legal guns reported as stolen
legal & illegal guns that are stolen
illegal gun sales from legal sellers
illegal gun sales from illegal sellers

I got mine as a birthday present.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Are you planning on hiring 1 cop for each citizen?

There is no need for that at all. Hell the Nazis didn't even do that and they managed shit beyond anything being attempted. Russians too. Chinese too. Actually lots of people have pulled of more with less than your hyperbolic question.

If you want to know how many precisely are necessary its unknowable.

Yes. The responsible, legal gun owners not the bangers that are doing most of the routine killing.

Yes, but that is the primary source of the guns in this nation.

I'll ask again. How many more cops are you going to need to hire and what will it cost?

Cause they ain't doin' it now.

Well they aren't trying to do it now. Why don't we apply your question to something that is happening. How many more officials are going to be needed to handle gay marriages and divorces and how much will it cost?

Cause they sure weren't doing it a month ago!

See how this is an entirely assanine question?

The gun crime issue isn't the random crazy person that shoots up a church or a school. It could be a fuel/fert device next time. Blame liberal catch and release.

It could be, but it won't. Most people simply lack the skill to create and effectively wield those kinds of things. I know you think everybody on the planet is fucking Tony Stark and could make a working nuke in a cave with a box of scraps but most of us can't.

You can't say we need mo-better laws and then say the criminals aren't going to abide by them.

We'll you can say it, and it's true, but it defeats your argument.

Yes, we do need mo-better laws and criminals abiding by them has nothing to do with anything. If something is difficult to obtain legally that doesn't make it easy to obtain illegally. It means that's the only avenue to go through yes but it doesn't make it easy.

So no it doesn't defeat his argument.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

There is no need for that at all. Hell the Nazis didn't even do that and they managed shit beyond anything being attempted. Russians too. Chinese too. Actually lots of people have pulled of more with less than your hyperbolic question.

If you want to know how many precisely are necessary its unknowable.

So we should be more like Russia and China?



Yes, but that is the primary source of the guns in this nation.



Well they aren't trying to do it now. Why don't we apply your question to something that is happening. How many more officials are going to be needed to handle gay marriages and divorces and how much will it cost?

Cause they sure weren't doing it a month ago!

See how this is an entirely assanine question?



It could be, but it won't. Most people simply lack the skill to create and effectively wield those kinds of things. I know you think everybody on the planet is fucking Tony Stark and could make a working nuke in a cave with a box of scraps but most of us can't.



Yes, we do need mo-better laws and criminals abiding by them has nothing to do with anything. If something is difficult to obtain legally that doesn't make it easy to obtain illegally. It means that's the only avenue to go through yes but it doesn't make it easy.

Sure it does.

So no it doesn't defeat his argument.

see above

 

[BotanyBoy]

You keep making the same flawed argument only with more words.

It's not flawed.

How many civil rights are law abiding citizens expected to relinquish to make a fraction of a percent difference in crimes they don't commit?

Just like giving up the right to scream fire in a crowded theater.....As many as necessary to have a stable society. No right is absolute.

You already admitted that laws don't apply to people that don't abide by them.

I expressly stated the opposite. You're just such a partisan hack you refuse to see it.....you read my words and just see what you want because they aren't what FOX told you.

Laws apply to people that don't abide by them no matter how badly you wish they didn't.

Since you asked nice:

gun shows
legal guns reported as stolen
legal & illegal guns that are stolen
illegal gun sales from legal sellers
illegal gun sales from illegal sellers

I got mine as a birthday present.

Oh look at that....industries and events we can apply laws to in order to prevent this from happening, given law enforcement has the legal tools available to them of course. Most of which I'm sure you would oppose because full military disarmament is the ONLY gun control their is! TYRANNY~!!! TYRANNY!!!!COMMUNISM!! TYRANNY!!! RUSSIA!!! HITLER!!

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

It's not flawed.

Yes, it's flawed.

Just like giving up the right to scream fire in a crowded theater.....As many as necessary to have a stable society. No right is absolute.

Aren't you a Veteran? Did you take an oath?

I expressly stated the opposite. You're just such a partisan hack you refuse to see it.....you read my words and just see what you want because they aren't what FOX told you.

I don't watch the news.

Laws apply to people that don't abide by them no matter how badly you wish they didn't.

Laws don't stop crime. They define crime.

Oh look at that....industries and events we can apply laws to in order to prevent this from happening, given law enforcement has the legal tools available to them of course. Most of which I'm sure you would oppose because full military disarmament is the ONLY gun control their is! TYRANNY~!!! TYRANNY!!!!COMMUNISM!! TYRANNY!!! RUSSIA!!! HITLER!!

Already regulated/illegal/laws in place.

see above

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

see above

Laws do stop crime. At least according to the NRA.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Laws do stop crime. At least according to the NRA.

Do you speed?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Do you speed?

If I could get over 25 mph on my bike I'd be in the Tour de France.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Do you speed?

Do you date rape people?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Do you date rape people?

Excuse me?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes, it's flawed.

Continuing to say so doesn't make it so.

Laws effect those who do not follow them, no matter how bad you wish they didn't.

Aren't you a Veteran? Did you take an oath?

Yea? And that makes rights absolute how??

I don't watch the news.

Doesn't change the fact you're outright changing the things I say to fit your narrative.

Laws don't stop crime. They define crime.

Never said otherwise....but that doesn't mean they don't effect the criminal element of society. If they didn't there would be NO laws at all.

Already regulated/illegal/laws in place.

Ineffective/unenforceable. Time to try something else....OH OH OH or we could do the MsAnn/GOP/RW/gun nut thing "LOOK LAWS DON'T WORK NO LAWS!!! LAWZ ER DUMB UNLESS THEY WUNZ WE WUNT!!"

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Continuing to say so doesn't make it so.

Laws effect those who do not follow them, no matter how bad you wish they didn't.



Yea? And that makes rights absolute how??



Doesn't change the fact you're outright changing the things I say to fit your narrative.



Never said otherwise....but that doesn't mean they don't effect the criminal element of society. If they didn't there would be NO laws at all.



Ineffective/unenforceable. Time to try something else....OH OH OH or we could do the MsAnn/GOP/RW/gun nut thing "LOOK LAWS DON'T WORK NO LAWS!!! LAWZ ER DUMB UNLESS THEY WUNZ WE WUNT!!"

I take it your done trying to make any sense?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I take it your done trying to make any sense?

Run out of outright denial of reality steam?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Run out of outright denial of reality steam?

Your lack of intelligence is making my head hurt.