So, the Republican terrorist in Louisiana...

[ms_ann_thrope]

Yes, fuck the Constitution. IF you're only argument is the Constitution says then you don't have an argument. What you've got is a piece of paper and the confidence that most people are too cowardly to tell you it was written by men not gods.

You can claim that it's not accurate but multiple polls all show the same information. That while gun sales are through the roof (which isn't even really true but lets ignore that) the number of households with firearms are steadily declining. Turns out that people primarily kept guns to hunt and as fewer and fewer people hunt for food or even sport that the number of families with guns has likewise declined.

Yes more laws. We could probably do away with some of the old ones that aren't effective but since that doesn't happen in the real world, yes more laws. There is nothing at all wrong with more laws.

See above? So yes, more laws.

What's more draconian than the death penalty?



We can make educated guesses however. Legal gun owners have little reason to lie on surveys about is there a gun in the house. Sure some of them are paranoid bitches who think Obama's going to take their guns but most aren't quite that stupid. Now just like anything it's impossible to be 100% accurate, that's not even a goal.

As for what number of deaths are acceptable that's for society to decide. IF we think our current numbers are acceptable then we need to stop bitching. I don't want to hear about Abu shot up a military recruitment center, Mark shot up a school, Chow shot up a restaurant or Sitting Bull shot a sitting Senator in the face. Shit happens. IF it's not an acceptable number we start looking for solutions and the obvious step here is more laws to begin with.

The same crazy people who get guns and kill people will still be able to get guns and kill people. Eliminate all the crazy people.

That might be slightly more effective.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Clear proof that new gun sales = new gun owners.....

That's a whole group of owners that aren't even on the radar.
Guns aren't necessarily sold, traded, etc in a legal manner.
You probably saw at least one episode of Son's of Anarchy.

 

[Sean Renaud]

There isn't much more draconian than the Death Penalty.

No, the same crazy people who get guns and kill people will not be able to get guns and kill people. Idiots make this claim the entire rest of the world proves that to be utter horse shit. Hell the US proves that to be utter horseshit. You NEVER hear about the guy who went into a theater and started chucking grenades around or opened up with a fully automatic weapon. Why? Because they are nigh impossible to get your hands on. And despite what everybody on the internet claims making a bomb that won't blow you up is a little harder than googling the Anarchist Cookbook and going to Home Depot.

Especially for the crazy people.

Eliminating Crazy people would be an important move too. But socialism is as big a no no in this country as gun control. At least one we can almost make some headway on the other we might as well give up for a while. Especially since crazy is largely a term people use entirely incorrectly.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Yea....

Illegal possession of a firearm is a capital offence nationwide now hua? Care to point out when that happened?

Or clue the rest of the class in on what random heap of unrelated bullshit your mind came up with to try and dodge the point that better laws can result in profoundly positive change when properly enforced??

Are you planning on hiring 1 cop for each citizen?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

There isn't much more draconian than the Death Penalty.

No, the same crazy people who get guns and kill people will not be able to get guns and kill people. Idiots make this claim the entire rest of the world proves that to be utter horse shit. Hell the US proves that to be utter horseshit. You NEVER hear about the guy who went into a theater and started chucking grenades around or opened up with a fully automatic weapon. Why? Because they are nigh impossible to get your hands on. And despite what everybody on the internet claims making a bomb that won't blow you up is a little harder than googling the Anarchist Cookbook and going to Home Depot.

Especially for the crazy people.

Eliminating Crazy people would be an important move too. But socialism is as big a no no in this country as gun control. At least one we can almost make some headway on the other we might as well give up for a while. Especially since crazy is largely a term people use entirely incorrectly.

Sure they will.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The same crazy people who get guns and kill people will still be able to get guns and kill people. Eliminate all the crazy people.

That might be slightly more effective.

Other societies with regulated armed societies prove that to be almost entirely false. Will it still happen? Yep....will it happen anywhere near as often? Not even close.

Like I said you're either a total fuckin' retard living in a fantasy land or you have an economic interest in selling as many guns as you can. Just own up to one but your whole "Nothing needs to change because it's impossible to change" is a fucking lie and the more you parrot it the more you sound like the former, and a puppet bitch of the latter.

That's a whole group of owners that aren't even on the radar.
Guns aren't necessarily sold, traded, etc in a legal manner.
You probably saw at least one episode of Son's of Anarchy.

That doesn't change the larger scale implications of sales vs ownership. Reality is the best info we have points largely to fewer folks owning more guns. Fringe elements not accounted for....I say fringe because most folks go to the store to buy a gun, not a street dealer or 90 years ago.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Other societies with regulated armed societies prove that to be almost entirely false. Will it still happen? Yep....will it happen anywhere near as often? Not even close.

Like I said you're either a total fuckin' retard living in a fantasy land or you have an economic interest in selling as many guns as you can. Just own up to one but your whole "Nothing needs to change because it's impossible to change" is a fucking lie and the more you parrot it the more you sound like the former, and a puppet bitch of the latter.



That doesn't change the larger scale implications of sales vs ownership. Reality is the best info we have points largely to fewer folks owning more guns. Fringe elements not accounted for....I say fringe because most folks go to the store to buy a gun, not a street dealer or 90 years ago.

Yes. The responsible, legal gun owners not the bangers that are doing most of the routine killing.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes. The responsible, legal gun owners not the bangers that are doing most of the routine killing.

Never said they were.

That doesn't mean there isn't anything that can't be done or that laws have no effect on the criminal element despite the fact that criminals don't follow laws.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yes. The responsible, legal gun owners not the bangers that are doing most of the routine killing.

How are the "bangers" getting guns?

 

[BotanyBoy]

How are the "bangers" getting guns?

Couldn't POSSIBLY be a lack of regulation and or enforcement??? NAWWWWW!!

Ms Ann just been telling me how it's just perfect and there is no room for improvement.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Never said they were.

That doesn't mean there isn't anything that can't be done or that laws have no effect on the criminal element despite the fact that criminals don't follow laws.

You just defeated your own argument. Maybe you need a short break.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Couldn't POSSIBLY be a lack of regulation and or enforcement??? NAWWWWW!!

Ms Ann just been telling me how it's just perfect and there is no room for improvement.

I'll ask again. How many more cops are you going to need to hire and what will it cost?

Cause they ain't doin' it now.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You just defeated your own argument. Maybe you need a short break.

I did no such thing....

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I did no such thing....

Reread it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'll ask again. How many more cops are you going to need to hire and what will it cost?

No more than we have now unless they are understaffed for their given populations.

Cause they ain't doin' it now.

Because republicans deny them the tools the need to enforce anything that might be worth a fuck and democrats offer them toothless irrelevant stupid as an option because 99 times out of 100 they simply don't know what the fuck they are talking about when they scream about how banning fully automatic assault revolver shotguns with bayonets will save lives.

That doesn't mean there isn't room to improve on gun crime issues in America and those improvements HAVE to come from changes in/to our laws and or their enforcement practices.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Reread it.

Yep....didn't defeat my own argument anywhere.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

No more than we have now unless they are understaffed for their given populations.

They are all understaffed and their pensions are underfunded and destroying the state budgets. There's no more money.



Because republicans deny them the tools the need to enforce anything that might be worth a fuck and democrats offer them toothless irrelevant stupid as an option.

You mean print more money?

That doesn't mean there isn't room to improve on gun crime issues in America and those improvements HAVE to come from changes in/to our laws and or their enforcement practices.

The gun crime issue isn't the random crazy person that shoots up a church or a school. It could be a fuel/fert device next time. Blame liberal catch and release.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Yep....didn't defeat my own argument anywhere.

Then you don't even understand what you are saying.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Then you don't even understand what you are saying.

How are the "bangers" getting guns?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

How are the "bangers" getting guns?

Why? Do you need one?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Why? Do you need one?

Because I'd like to know.

How are the "bangers" getting guns?

 

[BotanyBoy]

They are all understaffed and their pensions are underfunded and destroying the state budgets. There's no more money.

Bullshit....plenty of PD's and sheriffs departments are wealthy as fuck.

There's no more money for some (mostly in red states) because you cheapskates don't want to pay for them. Keep cutting taxes!! The money will start trickling down any day now!! LMFAO

You mean print more money?

That's not at all relevant to the subject of our ultra partisan derp gun control legislation/enforcement cluster fuck.

The gun crime issue isn't the random crazy person that shoots up a church or a school.

Yes, it is, if it wasn't the subject wouldn't even be on the table.

It could be a fuel/fert device next time.

Records show there is a 99% chance it will be with a gun and of those 93-96% will be with a handgun.

Left stupid says ban pistol grips on rifles will help.

Right says nothing can be done because "shall not be infringed" or "total ban and WWIII" are the only two options.

Blame liberal catch and release.

Why? Both sides profit more from putting non violent low level drug offenders in prison than violent offenders and are more than happy to release killers to lock up another possession/intent charge. Goes back to that whole Reagan war on drugs bit....

 

[BotanyBoy]

Then you don't even understand what you are saying.

I know what I'm saying...

If you think I'm wrong then explain and quit dancing around nothing like you got something.

 

[smoothg103rd]

How are the "bangers" getting guns?

Gangbangers?

I really don't feel like reading through this whole thread.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Because I'd like to know.

How are the "bangers" getting guns?

You're a teacher right? Ask them yourself.