What do you think?

[Daniel_Matthews]

Do you think there should be a single forum "Story Feedback and Discussion" instead of separate forums like these two?



Long story short, someone passed the idea, and I thought it was a good one.

Both are ghost towns, and threads in these forums aren't much different. All of them ask for feedback or discussion for some other story. Most of the time, people ask for feedback in story feedback section, when it should be in story discussion circle, if we go by the moniker of the forums. I really don't see the difference.

There must've have been a good reason for Laurel differentiating the forums, if it was a single one before. But won't it be good right now if both of these forums are made the same? At least, as a reader, I won't have to check two different places for interesting discussions...


So what do you think?

 

[MyRubiLips]

If the mods of Lit kept an eye on the boards they moderated, they could run smoothly. But, that means the mods would have to be proactive and keep an eye on the first page, at least.

Story Discussion Circle is supposed to be a guided discussion of stories (typically in the NEW sublisting); perhaps by the mod, if an active participant to the boards, or any member who wishes to start a discussion really.

This board is like a book club. "The Story by I.M. Author was a tale about ______________ and set in a _____________. It...yada, yada..."


And Story Feedback is just that. "I am Lit Member X and I loved 'Gary's Song' by Author B. It tugged at my heartstrings." Et cetera. Also, a reader posting "Why does it seem nearly every story in Category Q contains _____________? I think if an author tried ___________ it could change things up a bit and make things more interesting." is still a form of feedback.




And, FYI, your thread and poll are suited for General Board since they're about a general Lit topic not really covered elsewhere on the site. (But, of course, not all boards are moderated and GB is a cess pool.)

 

[Daniel_Matthews]

If the mods of Lit kept an eye on the boards they moderated, they could run smoothly. But, that means the mods would have to be proactive and keep an eye on the first page, at least.

I don't want to aim this discussion at which Mod does what. As far as I can see, _Lynn_ and The Soulful Bard are the only active mods present for the respective forums, and both are doing a nice job.

Story Discussion Circle is supposed to be a guided discussion of stories (typically in the NEW sublisting); perhaps by the mod, if an active participant to the boards, or any member who wishes to start a discussion really.

This board is like a book club. "The Story by I.M. Author was a tale about ______________ and set in a _____________. It...yada, yada..."


And Story Feedback is just that. "I am Lit Member X and I loved 'Gary's Song' by Author B. It tugged at my heartstrings." Et cetera. Also, a reader posting "Why does it seem nearly every story in Category Q contains _____________? I think if an author tried ___________ it could change things up a bit and make things more interesting." is still a form of feedback.

Let's talk about actually happens out here.


Story Feedback:

I have a story, and I want a feedback on my story. Thank you in Advance.


Story Discussion:

Which part of a story turned you on?
Which story would you like being continued?
Yada yada...

A total Role Reversal.

What I'm saying is, they all are feedback on Lit stories -- direct or indirect -- but in the end, it's still Lit stories we're talking about.

I was suggesting a single place where Lit stories can be discussed and/or be given feedback on.

And, FYI, your thread and poll are suited for General Board since they're about a general Lit topic not really covered elsewhere on the site. (But, of course, not all boards are moderated and GB is a cess pool.)

You know better than to suggest the general board for this topic.

This is related to Story Discussion and Story Feedback as a whole. I guessed it would be better suited here, instead of a board where people care the least about stories and related forums on this website.

 

[MyRubiLips]

What I'm saying is, they all are feedback on Lit stories -- direct or indirect -- but in the end, it's still Lit stories we're talking about.

I was suggesting a single place where Lit stories can be discussed and/or be given feedback on.

And that's where moderation comes into play. Story Discussion Circle is a "guided discussion of a story on Lit".

You know better than to suggest the general board for this topic.

The GB makes thin-skinned people squirk. Always has, always will. It's the appropriate board for all general topics. Period. A thread "discussing a board" doesn't "automatically" belong in said board.

Your logic is no different than someone posting "I think the Story Ideas board needs to have ___________ in it" in SI. It wouldn't belong there.



FYI, I never said a negative thing about Bard or Lynn so don't try to go there.

 

[Sammael Bard]

I just want the SF and SD forums' moniker interchanged.


Interesting idea, but if you have any suggestions regarding forums, take it directly to Laurel with a PM. Maybe you'd get a satisfactory reply from her.

Good luck.

 

[_Lynn_]

If the mods of Lit kept an eye on the boards they moderated, they could run smoothly. But, that means the mods would have to be proactive and keep an eye on the first page, at least.

Story Discussion Circle is supposed to be a guided discussion of stories (typically in the NEW sublisting); perhaps by the mod, if an active participant to the boards, or any member who wishes to start a discussion really.

This board is like a book club. "The Story by I.M. Author was a tale about ______________ and set in a _____________. It...yada, yada..."


And Story Feedback is just that. "I am Lit Member X and I loved 'Gary's Song' by Author B. It tugged at my heartstrings." Et cetera. Also, a reader posting "Why does it seem nearly every story in Category Q contains _____________? I think if an author tried ___________ it could change things up a bit and make things more interesting." is still a form of feedback.




And, FYI, your thread and poll are suited for General Board since they're about a general Lit topic not really covered elsewhere on the site. (But, of course, not all boards are moderated and GB is a cess pool.)

You're right. The SDC is for a guided discussion of a story. However, that would mean someone needs to follow the SDC guidelines (here) and offer a story up for critique. And others would need to follow those same guidelines to critique the story. I don't see a line forming . . .

 

[2Throwed]

Yep definitely

 

[Daniel_Matthews]

I just want the SF and SD forums' moniker interchanged.

Ain't gonna happen.

I also wanted to see what was the general opinion on this thing. I might be wrong in my views, and hence the thread.

You're right. The SDC is for a guided discussion of a story. However, that would mean someone needs to follow the SDC guidelines (here) and offer a story up for critique. And others would need to follow those same guidelines to critique the story. I don't see a line forming . . .

That makes perfect sense.

So, according to the guidelines, I'm supposed to include all the mentioned points while critiquing someone's story?

I read that a while ago....okay, a long while ago, but I never thought they were quintessential to this place. (Just look at the threads that litter this place!)

If this is the rule, then a lot of threads are openly flouting it, isn't it? A lot of threads here aren't even close to what a story discussion should be like...

perhaps, I'm spitballing.



If that is the case, then I think, SDC and SF should remain separate, but I think there are a lot of threads which should belong to the Story Feedback section instead of this place.


P.S. Is there any way I can take my vote back...?

 

[Devilius]

How I see this place:

A long time ago, some authors formed a group and asked for a place to give serious criticism of each other stories. Like MyRubiLips said, it's sort of a very serious bookclub.

Now, the authors are gone, and new people who enter this place literally take this place as a Story discussion Circle - what turned you on? what was the best story? These all belong to Story Feedback, if you go by the rules...but here it is.


IMO, these two forums should remain separate. Doesn't matter what's a ghost-town and what's not. The ideas behind it are totally different. Yes, you did nail one point though:

Most threads of this place don't belong here. They should be moved to Story Feedback, because that's exactly where they belong.

 

[MyRubiLips]

You're right. The SDC is for a guided discussion of a story. However, that would mean someone needs to follow the SDC guidelines (here) and offer a story up for critique. And others would need to follow those same guidelines to critique the story. I don't see a line forming . . .

I know what you're saying. I remember when Dicussion Board did just that. And I'm sure some mods got burned out in the past and that's why there's three names listed for mod. I was explaining the difference to the OP when he said they were the same.

 

[_Lynn_]

How I see this place:

A long time ago, some authors formed a group and asked for a place to give serious criticism of each other stories. Like MyRubiLips said, it's sort of a very serious bookclub.

Now, the authors are gone, and new people who enter this place literally take this place as a Story discussion Circle - what turned you on? what was the best story? These all belong to Story Feedback, if you go by the rules...but here it is.


IMO, these two forums should remain separate. Doesn't matter what's a ghost-town and what's not. The ideas behind it are totally different. Yes, you did nail one point though:

Most threads of this place don't belong here. They should be moved to Story Feedback, because that's exactly where they belong.

I've lost count of the threads I've moved to other forums. Continuing that brings old threads to the top. Moving them brings older threads up. Then people post to them as if they're new. It doesn't end.

Lit believes in free speech. That means old threads remain. They aren't deleted just because they're outdated. Or because someone doesn't like them.

If authors followed the SDC guidelines and asked for a critique, the old threads would fall to the back pages and not be an issue.

So who is going to be the first person to put one of their stories up for a critique in the SDC?

 

[MyRubiLips]

... I think there are a lot of threads which should belong to the Story Feedback section instead of this place...

Exactly.

 

[Penelope Street]

I've wondered off and on for years whether combining the two forums in question would be beneficial since they are so often confused. Wouldn't hurt my feelings if it happened.

Is there real interest in reforming the so-called serious book club and having this forum again serve its intended purpose? If so, I'm open to new ideas regarding how we might accomplish it.

 

[Learin]

The ideas behind them are very different, so I think they should remain separate. This place is for serious feedback, right? Because that's what this thread [Link here] says. True, this is a dead forum but once both of these get merged, how can you differentiate between a story feedback and a story discussion thread?

If you somehow merge those forums, then have a sticky thread saying "If you want quick feedback, say this. Or if you want a deep discussion, say this in your thread title."

Or better still, Story Discussion should be a sub-forum to Story feedback. That way, you have the audience as well as the boundary demarcating these forums.

Perhaps, I'm rattling off god-knows-what...but I really want to hear what Laurel thinks about this. She's he one who has the final say, after all.

 

[sr71plt]

Abut I think there are a lot of threads which should belong to the Story Feedback section instead of this place.

You mean ones that concern posted Literotica stories? That's the base requirement to be posted to Story Feedback. It's for feedback on posted Literotica stories. There have been frequent time of late that threads have been improperly moved to there from here because the explanation for what Story Feedback is for isn't being honored. SF isn't the trash can for Story Discussions or Story Ideas.

 

[MyRubiLips]

SF isn't the trash can for Story Discussions or Story Ideas.

The only threads I move from SI to SF are per Laurel.

 

[sr71plt]

The only threads I move from SI to SF are per Laurel.

Whoever has moved them, the last few times this has happened, they've disappeared from SF again--because they weren't about stories in the Literotica file, which is the basic definition of what belongs in SF.

SF isn't a dead board, especially now that it has a subforum for those searching for Lit. stories.

 

[sr71plt]

I suggest that Story Discussion just be closed. I don't think there's much interest in posters now in guided discussions on stories. Stories that are in the Literotica file can be discussed on Story Feedback. Stories being contemplated can be discussed on Story Ideas, and discussions of stories and books published elsewhere that connect to erotica discussions can be discussed in the Authors Hangout.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

30-35 years ago I 'hosted' a few US ARMY radio networks where we collected and distributed personal messages from soldiers to mom and spouses in the States. It was known as MARS=Military Affiliated Radio System. Sometimes we had little or no traffic, and I hadda entertain all the stations linked to my network, to keep operators awake and interested. Its what mods should do.

 

[MyRubiLips]

I've always thought mods should be active participants in their boards. Looking around at some there's long-inactive people still listed as mods.

 

[PervOtaku]

Frankly I'm not really sure what either subforum is intended to be used for. There's a lot of authors starting threads and asking for feedback about their own stories, but given that the stories all have their own comment sections, making a thread like that usually strikes me as either insecure or attention-seeking.

It's not necessarily a problem per se, I've seen plenty of places where a once-active subforum falls into disuse. It happens.

 

[lovecraft68]

Frankly I'm not really sure what either subforum is intended to be used for. There's a lot of authors starting threads and asking for feedback about their own stories, but given that the stories all have their own comment sections, making a thread like that usually strikes me as either insecure or attention-seeking.

It's not necessarily a problem per se, I've seen plenty of places where a once-active subforum falls into disuse. It happens.

I think the point is detailed feedback on specific things.

Comments are generally "wow, great story wow, that was hot, more please....fuck off and never write again.

So the thought is other authors would give opinions based on actual details of the story and the writing which would be far more helpful than a heat of the moment two line comment from a reader

But what I have noted is the threads usually devolve into arguing because one author does not agree with another author's feedback and that jacks the thread.

It happens a lot less in this forum, but that's because....really nothing happens here.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I think the point is detailed feedback on specific things.

Comments are generally "wow, great story wow, that was hot, more please....fuck off and never write again.

So the thought is other authors would give opinions based on actual details of the story and the writing which would be far more helpful than a heat of the moment two line comment from a reader

But what I have noted is the threads usually devolve into arguing because one author does not agree with another author's feedback and that jacks the thread.

It happens a lot less in this forum, but that's because....really nothing happens here.

Please learn the difference between PARTICULAR and SPECIFIC. Specific includes more than ONE sample, such as your comma fuckups. PARTICULAR means ONE. Think title or opening sentence; scenes (plural) are specific unless its one scene IN PARTICULAR.

 

[lovecraft68]

Please learn the difference between PARTICULAR and SPECIFIC. Specific includes more than ONE sample, such as your comma fuckups. PARTICULAR means ONE. Think title or opening sentence; scenes (plural) are specific unless its one scene IN PARTICULAR.

See that, I got feedback

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

See that, I got feedback

I hear you got some sun glasses with rainbow tinted lenses.