This is the future of abortion that the anti-choice crowd longs for

[BotanyBoy]

OK, let's see your evidence that shows in Texas it's legal for a 14 year old to get an abortion on her own.

Show me evidence it's legal ANYWHERE for a 14 year old to do much of anything on their own much less get any non emergency medical operation of ANY kind on their own.....right. If you're not an EMT/ER personnel doing what you must to keep the kid alive in an emergency situation you can't touch a kid as a medical professional in the US without legal guardians consent and even then you can get into some murky legal waters pretty easily if you go outside SOP.

So now that you understand that nationwide kids don't have fuck all for legal authority on shit and MUST go through their parents for pretty much EVERYTHING we can move on. I know parents who put tits on their kids and get them abortions 4 months later. No problem....just whip that card out and done. They had the option...

And now we get back to this is a case of child abuse by a parent, not the fact that abortions are unobtainable and this is what happens because they aren't available as an option because the option was there. This is what happens when someone who should have had an abortion didn't.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Show me evidence it's legal ANYWHERE for a 14 year old to do much of anything on their own much less get any non emergency medical operation of ANY kind on their own.....right.

So now that you understand that nationwide kids don't have fuck all for legal authority on shit and MUST go through their parents for pretty much EVERYTHING we can move on. I know parents who put tits on their kids and get them abortions 4 months later. No problem....just whip that card out and done.

So we get back to this is a case of child abuse by a parent, not the fact that abortions are unobtainable.

So we're in agreement again, you don't have a shred of evidence that shows it's legal in Texas for a 14 year old to get an abortion on their own.

There are 22 states that allow minors to have abortions without parental consent. While I might be wrong on that exact number there are states that allow minors to have abortions on their own.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I feel the need to correct both of you on the fact that abortion was not legal in this case.

I feel the need to correct you because you clearly don't see my point or understand the point of this thread.

Whether or not abortion was illegal or legal has nothing to do with this case. This act was illegal, whether or not abortion was outlawed or not.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I feel the need to correct you because you clearly don't see my point or understand the point of this thread.

Whether or not abortion was illegal or legal has nothing to do with this case. This act was illegal, whether or not abortion was outlawed or not.

It certainly is, but as another poster pointed out previously & more eloquently than I ever could, expect to see more of this if abortion is outlawed, de jure or de facto.

 

[Lord Pmann]

It certainly is, but as another poster pointed out previously & more eloquently than I ever could, expect to see more of this if abortion is outlawed, de jure or de facto.

Please explain how abortion being illegal had anything to do with this issue. Abortion is legal. This still happened.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So we're in agreement again, you don't have a shred of evidence that shows it's legal in Texas for a 14 year old to get an abortion on their own.

No, I never claimed there was. Just that kids traditionally don't have legal authority over fuck all and TX obviously is one of those states.

There are 22 states that allow minors to have abortions without parental consent. While I might be wrong on that exact number there are states that allow minors to have abortions on their own.

Well I stand corrected. But not in TX, there adults are still in charge of shit and kids are like pets almost as far as legal authority goes. Nothing or anything can happen for a kid with the yay/nay of a parent.

Point is they could have gotten her an abortion with a phone call, it was an option the parents chose not to pursue. They chose the backyard beat down as they were very obviously already abusing her....it's not a case when an abortion isn't an option.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Please explain how abortion being illegal had anything to do with this issue. Abortion is legal. This still happened.

Had the 14 year old been in another state she could have walked in and had an abortion on her own performed in a medically safe environment. Therefore, no backyard beat down.

Again, abortion was not a legal option for her on her own. You repeating that lie over & over doesn't make it true.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

No, I never claimed there was.



Well I stand corrected. But not in TX, there adults are still in charge of shit and kids are like pets almost as far as legal authority goes. Nothing or anything can happen for a kid with the yay/nay of a parent. They could have gotten her an abortion, it was an option the parents chose not to pursue as they were very obviously already abusing her....not a case when an abortion isn't an option.

I might be soap boxing here but women shouldn't be put in a position where the only way they can get an abortion is by permission of their rapist.

The parents weren't going to take her to a medical facility where someone may have caught on that she was raped by a family member. Had she been able to go by herself it would have avoided the backyard abortion her family performed on her.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Had the 14 year old been in another state she could have walked in and had an abortion on her own performed in a medically safe environment. Therefore, no backyard beat down.

Again, abortion was not a legal option for her on her own. You repeating that lie over & over doesn't make it true.

You really think a bunch of sicko's who are already fucking a 14 year old in the back and willing to risk her life by beating her to within an inch of it to protect the family member who fathered the baby instead of picking up the phone and scheduling an appointment are going to let her just walk out and get that abortion?

Really?

God damn you're more out of touch with reality than I thought....

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You really think a bunch of sicko's who are already fucking a 14 year old in the back and willing to risk her life by beating her to within an inch of it to protect the family member who fathered the baby instead of picking up the phone and scheduling an appointment are going to let her just walk out and get that abortion?

Really?

God damn you're more out of touch with reality than I thought....

Being that they literally beat her instead of getting her a medically safe abortion? Yes.

I think the law requires a bit more than just making the appointment.

How would the family ever know she went to a medical facility and got an abortion until after it happened? (If it was legal for her to do so)

 

[Lord Pmann]

Had the 14 year old been in another state she could have walked in and had an abortion on her own performed in a medically safe environment. Therefore, no backyard beat down.

Again, abortion was not a legal option for her on her own. You repeating that lie over & over doesn't make it true.

So your argument is that girls should be able to get abortions without parental consent then. Not over the legality of abortion. You are not making a sound argument. You're arguing one point and citing another as your stance.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I might be soap boxing here but women shouldn't be put in a position where the only way they can get an abortion is by permission of their rapist.

I agree, but in certain states they separate this issue and put it under family law, child abuse section. It's just different procedure/structure. Because most of the time it's not some sicko family all working together like this. It made the news, it's a rather heinous crime of child abuse.

The parents weren't going to take her to a medical facility where someone may have caught on that she was raped by a family member.

Exactly and in a lot of states and not unreasonably it makes this a child abuse case. Because had she not had the misfortune of being born into a family of psychopaths this would have never happened.

Had she been able to go by herself it would have avoided the backyard abortion her family performed on her.

I don't think that was really ever an option for the poor girl even if she just had to make it down to the street corner and sign in.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

So your argument is that girls should be able to get abortions without parental consent then. Not over the legality of abortion. You are not making a sound argument. You're arguing one point and citing another as your stance.

No, I'm not. The specific case cited by the OP and my point are the same.

I'm being very clear, if abortions are made illegal (de facto or de jure) expect to see more cases like this.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I agree, but in certain states they separate this issue and put it under family law, child abuse section. It's just different procedure/structure. Because most of the time it's not some sicko family all working together like this. It made the news, it's a rather heinous crime of child abuse.



Exactly and in a lot of states and not unreasonably it makes this a child abuse case. Because had she not had the misfortune of being born into a family of psychopaths this would have never happened.



I don't think that was really ever an option for the poor girl even if she just had to make it down to the street corner and sign in.

I agree with you, this is child abuse, twice over.

Lots of kids are born into families with psychopaths. it's why I advocate that they don't need parental consent for abortions.


Maybe it was and I'll concede that maybe it wasn't. We'll never know.

 

[Lord Pmann]

No, I'm not. The specific case cited by the OP and my point are the same.

I'm being very clear, if abortions are made illegal (de facto or de jure) expect to see more cases like this.

Do you really not get it? This happened and abortion is legal. It was a legal option for this 14 year old. This is not a matter of abortion made legal or illegal.

The only way your argument works and prevent this completely is if you make abortion legal and free for all women of all ages.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Being that they literally beat her instead of getting her a medically safe abortion? Yes.

I think the law requires a bit more than just making the appointment.

How would the family ever know she went to a medical facility and got an abortion until after it happened? (If it was legal for her to do so)

A waiting period I think....I went with a friend when I lived in Austin and she had to go back the next day to pick up her pills. But all in all it was a pretty simple and quick process obtaining the appointment, seeing the doc and getting the green light. And they are one of the more un-friendly states.

I don't think that girl ever farted sideways much less entertained the idea of doing shit on her own for fear of her life. I think she was the unfortunate victim of circumstance being born into a family of absolute psychopaths, and like bed wetting pyros these kind of child abusers are almost 100% over the top control freaks who use fear, torture, threats and all kinds of deranged shit to control their victims. If no one in her family cared enough to pick up the phone I'm sorry to say it but the abortion laws be damned that poor girl was fucking DOOMED.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

A waiting period I think....I went with a friend when I lived in Austin and she had to go back the next day to pick up her pills. But all in all it was a pretty simple and quick process obtaining the appointment, seeing the doc and getting the green light.

I don't think that girl ever farted sideways much less entertained the idea of doing shit on her own for fear of her life. I think she was the unfortunate victim of circumstance and being born into a family of absolute psychopaths, and like bed wetting pyros these kind of child abusers are almost 100% over the top control freaks who use fear, torture, threats and all kinds of deranged shit to control their victims. If no one in her family cared enough to pick up the phone I'm sorry to say it but the abortion laws be damned that poor girl was fucking DOOMED.

Texas has a minor consent law, and a 24 hour waiting period law for anyone seeking an abortion.

I've seen it go down where they are control freaks and I've seen it go down where they don't care what you do (provided you don't snitch).

 

[BotanyBoy]

Texas has a minor consent law, and a 24 hour waiting period law for anyone seeking an abortion.

I've seen it go down where they are control freaks and I've seen it go down where they don't care what you do (provided you don't snitch).

Yea as long as it all stays cool, but one threat of snitching or even just the chance of being found out turns dark real fuckin' quick. Thankfully abuse on this level is the exception not the rule.

And I agree with you, I think they should have some way out. But I also understand where this butts heads with parental authority as far as the law is concerned is going so at best they might have to set up some kind of buffer authority with CPS?? IDk it's going to be a really gnarly legal shit show as long as it's an option with parental consent.

I gotta go start a fire for my hillbilly hot tub.....all this abortion shit's makin my butt itch.

 

[bigmackattack]

Why are you allowing those exceptions? If life is precious and all babies have the right to be born, what difference does the mode of conception matter?

It's called compromise. Nothing gets done if you have absolutes. The far left and the far right are destroying the country with absolutes.

 

[Ishmael]

words can simply not describe the horror this child went through...



http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/tex...m-for-six-hours-to-induce-an-abortion-police/

Four members of a Texas family have been arrested on suspicion of beating a 14-year-old relative to induce an abortion two years ago after she had been raped by a member of the family, Dallas police said on Wednesday.

Cedric Jones, 27; Sharon Jones, 45; Cecila McDonald, 25; and Lonnell McDonald, 27, were arrested on Tuesday and charged with engaging in organized criminal activity, according to online jail records.
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The girl was about eight months pregnant when the four beat her for six hours, repeatedly kicking her in the abdomen, police said. The Dallas Morning News said the teenager gave birth to a stillborn baby hours later. The body was thought to have been burned in a charcoal grill and buried at an unknown location, police said.

“Several family members took matters into their own hands,” Deputy Chief Gil Garza told reporters.

Before the beating, police said the family had tried birth control pills and cinnamon tablets to abort the pregnancy, police said.

The relationship between the victim, now 16 years old, and her relatives was unknown but police described them as “immediate family.” The suspects are being held at Dallas County jail with bail set at $150,000 each.

Robert Cayald, 22, the victim’s cousin, was also arrested Tuesday and charged with aggravated sexual assault of a child, police said at a news conference. His bond was set at $25,000.

The young girl told police she became pregnant after a sexual assault by a family member but was too embarrassed to report it to authorities.

Police said the four relatives discovered the teenager was pregnant and used various methods to terminate the pregnancy out of fear that Child Protective Services would remove the other children living at the home.

Jane you ignorant slut. You're no better than the morons you're talking about. Like minds.

Ishmael

 

[Busybody]

this is the future teh DUMZ and LIBZ and PROGZ want

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG3CBG0W8AAepT-.jpg

 

[hashtag45]

this is the future teh DUMZ and LIBZ and PROGZ want

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG3CBG0W8AAepT-.jpg

haha so good to see you up here.
Loathe your fascist views, but love your sense of humor

 

[Busybody]

what FACIST views?

are you also saying that on page 418, the regulations are saying what they are saying?

 

[Libsam]

Roe v Wade legalized abortion up to the 24th week.

Depending on which state you live in, late-term abortion is not legal.

This little girl was 8 months pregnant.

Second, everyone has access to healthcare in the USA, that includes two visit a year to your general doctor. Her guardians were obviously not taking her to the doctor, that is negligence.

How many checks and stops do have to have in place to stop horrible things from happening?

This isn't a pro-life issue, this is fucking stupid winning the darwin awards.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Roe v Wade legalized abortion up to the 24th week.

Depending on which state you live in, late-term abortion is not legal.

This little girl was 8 months pregnant.

Second, everyone has access to healthcare in the USA, that includes two visit a year to your general doctor. Her guardians were obviously not taking her to the doctor, that is negligence.

How many checks and stops do have to have in place to stop horrible things from happening?

This isn't a pro-life issue, this is fucking stupid winning the darwin awards.

Not snark, but seriously asking for the conversation, is late term abortion legal when it's rape & incest?