This is the future of abortion that the anti-choice crowd longs for

[Saint Peter]

Education bad.

Fox news good.





Got it.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

You're full of shit. You "assume" that the morons that beat her down would have allowed her to exercise that option. Just as in damn near every other occasion you shoot off your mouth before you know the facts. If that weren't bad enough you take every opportunity to accuse others of being 'judgmental.'

Ishmael

So you know for a fact that they would have stopped her. Please share those facts.....

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Any day now, Ishy.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What utter bullshit.

"The fate of the Republic" is doomed...

...when the inalienable right to life may be aborted at will.

Utter bullshit indeed....


....inalienable rights and your fantasy that they exist that is...


LOL still pushing your RW "do as I say not as I do" bullshit stronger than ever....so shocking!!

 

[Ishmael]

As observed by another poster this case has NOTHING to do with abortion. It's all about criminal abuses of a minor and the attempt to cover-up those abuses.

Here's a follow-up report with a little more information.

These people obviously weren't right-wing pro-lifers.

Ishmael

 

[Lord Pmann]

This case has never been about whether abortion was legal. SgtSpiderMan really doesn't understand that. Abortion is legal and this happened. Abortion was a viable option. This didn't happen because of the legality of abortion and I cannot understand how someone cannot see that. People are arguing a point that is not even relevant.

Clearly, the people in this article were pro abortion. They tried to abort the baby by "less violent" means before. So, even more proof that these aren't pro-lifers.

I'm really baffled how someone tries to make this case over the legality of abortion. Abortion is legal. This happened.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

This case has never been about whether abortion was legal. SgtSpiderMan really doesn't understand that. Abortion is legal and this happened. Abortion was a viable option. This didn't happen because of the legality of abortion and I cannot understand how someone cannot see that. People are arguing a point that is not even relevant.

Clearly, the people in this article were pro abortion. They tried to abort the baby by "less violent" means before. So, even more proof that these aren't pro-lifers.

I'm really baffled how someone tries to make this case over the legality of abortion. Abortion is legal. This happened.

So the girl could have legally walked into a clinic and gotten an abortion on her own?

Really looking forward to your answer.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

As observed by another poster this case has NOTHING to do with abortion. It's all about criminal abuses of a minor and the attempt to cover-up those abuses.

Here's a follow-up report with a little more information.

These people obviously weren't right-wing pro-lifers.

Ishmael

I agree with you that it's about criminal abuses and trying to cover it up.

Now, let's deal with a key fact.

Fact: The girl could not seek medical advice from a professional about getting a safe abortion without parental permission.

Remember, we're in agreement that the parents were trying to cover this up. So they wouldn't want her getting help from anyone outside the family.

If she could have gone in to seek medical help on her own, the abuse could have been avoided.

I'll be very clear on this, it was because she was not legally allowed to seek an abortion that played a large part in her being further abused.

 

[Lord Pmann]

So the girl could have legally walked into a clinic and gotten an abortion on her own?

Really looking forward to your answer.

No. She could not. But what you're then arguing is that abortion without the parental consent should be legal.

Again, abortion was a legal option here. The fact that it was not exercised has ZERO to do with its legality. What you are advocating is abortion without parental consent. How is that so hard to see? This did not happen because abortion was illegal. Abortion is legal and it happened.

Is it your position that a 14 year old (or however old she was) should be able to have an abortion without parental consent? That is your argument.

 

[Pookie]

I agree with you that it's about criminal abuses and trying to cover it up.

Now, let's deal with a key fact.

Fact: The girl could not seek medical advice from a professional about getting a safe abortion without parental permission.

Remember, we're in agreement that the parents were trying to cover this up. So they wouldn't want her getting help from anyone outside the family.

If she could have gone in to seek medical help on her own, the abuse could have been avoided.

I'll be very clear on this, it was because she was not legally allowed to seek an abortion that played a large part in her being further abused.

You're assuming she wanted to pursue obtaining an abortion, aren't you?

 

[Lord Pmann]

I'll be very clear on this, it was because she was not legally allowed to seek an abortion that played a large part in her being further abused.

As stated above, you're advocating that minors should have access to abortions without their parents' consent.

This is not the same thing as this happening because abortion is illegal.

 

[Lord Pmann]

You're assuming she wanted to pursue obtaining an abortion, aren't you?

This.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

No. She could not. But what you're then arguing is that abortion without the parental consent should be legal.

Again, abortion was a legal option here. The fact that it was not exercised has ZERO to do with its legality. What you are advocating is abortion without parental consent. How is that so hard to see? This did not happen because abortion was illegal. Abortion is legal and it happened.

Is it your position that a 14 year old (or however old she was) should be able to have an abortion without parental consent? That is your argument.

You're saying that she couldn't legally get an abortion, but abortion was a legal option. Sorry, those two things are in direct conflict with each other, they can't both be true. You'll need to pick one or the other. (hint: it's not legal in Texas)

Abortion without parental consent is legal in some states. In some states it isn't.

This is exactly the kind of case critics of the parental consent laws said would happen, and surprise, it happened.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You're assuming she wanted to pursue obtaining an abortion, aren't you?

Not at all.

 

[Pookie]

Not at all.

So if she didn't want an abortion, how does "not legally allowed to seek an abortion that played a large part in her being further abused."

 

[Lord Pmann]

You're saying that she couldn't legally get an abortion, but abortion was a legal option. Sorry, those two things are in direct conflict with each other, they can't both be true. You'll need to pick one or the other. (hint: it's not legal in Texas)

Abortion without parental consent is legal in some states. In some states it isn't.

This is exactly the kind of case critics of the parental consent laws said would happen, and surprise, it happened.

Yes, both can be true. You're assuming it's without constraints.

It's illegal for me to take Vicodin because I don't have a prescription. That doesn't mean that it's not a legal option for me.

You're making your constraint an absolute. The option for abortion was legal and available. The option to have the abortion without parental consent was not.

Your argument is that children should be allowed to have an abortion without parental consent.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

So if she didn't want an abortion, how does "not legally allowed to seek an abortion that played a large part in her being further abused."

I never said she wanted one.

There's a gigantic difference between her wanting an abortion and her wanting to avoid getting beat and being forced to take abortion pills, isn't there?

 

[Lord Pmann]

I never said she wanted one.

There's a gigantic difference between her wanting an abortion and her wanting to avoid getting beat and being forced to take abortion pills, isn't there?

Not with your argument, no. You've made absolutes.

 

[Pookie]

I never said she wanted one.

There's a gigantic difference between her wanting an abortion and her wanting to avoid getting beat and being forced to take abortion pills, isn't there?

I never said you said she wanted one. I said ...

So if she didn't want an abortion, how does "not legally allowed to seek an abortion that played a large part in her being further abused."

I'm quoting your words. Will you address that directly or tap dance around it more?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Not with your argument, no. You've made absolutes.

No, I haven't.

 

[Lord Pmann]

I never said you said she wanted one. I said ...

So if she didn't want an abortion, how does "not legally allowed to seek an abortion that played a large part in her being further abused."

I'm quoting your words. Will you address that directly or tap dance around it more?

Tap dance. He will pull up his shirt a bit and tap dance.

 

[Pookie]

Tap dance. He will pull up his shirt a bit and tap dance.

At the moment it is just crickets. Time will tell if he'll actually be responsive.

 

[Lord Pmann]

At the moment it is just crickets. Time will tell if he'll actually be responsive.

He's pulling his shirt up... Give him time. He has to snap a selfie first.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I never said you said she wanted one. I said ...

So if she didn't want an abortion, how does "not legally allowed to seek an abortion that played a large part in her being further abused."

I'm quoting your words. Will you address that directly or tap dance around it more?

I never said you did.

Sorry, no tap dancing, I addressed the topic you presented directly. I'm sorry I directly answered your question and you didn't like it.

You're the one who is running away from a question, not me.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

At the moment it is just crickets. Time will tell if he'll actually be responsive.

So no response to my question yet?

 

[Pookie]

I never said you did.

Sorry, no tap dancing, I addressed the topic you presented directly. I'm sorry I directly answered your question and you didn't like it.

You're the one who is running away from a question, not me.

Okay then, yes, there's a gigantic difference between her wanting an abortion and her wanting to avoid getting beat and being forced to take abortion pills.

Happy?

Now ... back to my question ...

I never said you said she wanted one. I said ...

So if she didn't want an abortion, how does "not legally allowed to seek an abortion that played a large part in her being further abused."

Again, I'm quoting your words. Will you address that directly?