Thoughts About Writing Incest

[Black_and_White_Writer]

The number 18 used here on Lit. is a sure-fire code word for "I want it to be taken for underage but this is the closest I can get to that and post on Lit." Let's get real.

And, yep, I do it too. That's how you get readers on Lit. Let's be real about that too.

I'm not saying you think that way - but posting that does raise that possibility, but do not presume to think that others think the way you do or expect them to do.

I prefer to go in trust (until it is broken) and take people at their word. For me trust is the measure that sets us apart from the rest of nature and allowed our species to flourish.

 

[Desiremakesmeweak]

I'm not saying you think that way - but posting that does raise that possibility, but do not presume to think that others think the way you do or expect them to do.

I prefer to go in trust (until it is broken) and take people at their word. For me trust is the measure that sets us apart from the rest of nature and allowed our species to flourish.

Excellent! Quite right.

'Good on yer.' (That's an expression of merit over here where I presently live).

Trust... A word filled with erotic potential too, in my view.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I always assume nice people will make their dogs attack my genitals if I trust them.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

Excellent! Quite right.

'Good on yer.' (That's an expression of merit over here where I presently live).

Trust... A word filled with erotic potential too, in my view.

Thank you "G'day to you"

 

[sr71plt]

Not everyone sees an erotica Web site through the eyes of Pollyanna (and not every one who claims to for the sake of a board argument actually does--again, let's be real).

But it's fine with me if folks here want to play "let's pretend" just to gang up on the messenger.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

Not everyone sees an erotica Web site through the eyes of Pollyanna (and not every one who claims to for the sake of a board argument actually does--again, let's be real).

But it's fine with me if folks here want to play "let's pretend" just to gang up on the messenger.

You definitely read too much into stuff don'tcha? Thinly veiled insinuations don't endear someone to anyone and they're so gossamer thin anyone can see right through them.

Ive been called many things in my life but never a Pollyanna. I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[sr71plt]

I didn't think I was "thinly disguising" anything.

 

[lovecraft68]

Not everyone sees an erotica Web site through the eyes of Pollyanna (and not every one who claims to for the sake of a board argument actually does--again, let's be real).

But it's fine with me if folks here want to play "let's pretend" just to gang up on the messenger.

Your problem pilot is apparently you think whenever you write eighteen you are really thinking a younger age. And if you are, that's your business, as long as you say eighteen you're following the rules, what your perception is or thought of what you're "really" saying is just that, yours.

But because you feel that way you continue to tell everyone here that we are all doing the same thing, that everyone who says eighteen is really thinking "she/he is really sixteen wink wink" and that is not the case.

You get all pissy when you think someone is trying to tell others how to write, but its okay for you to stand here and make a blanket statement about what every author thinks when they write.

Just because you want your characters underage doesn't mean we all do and how you are coming across is someone who is trying to make themselves feel better about the fact they see their characters as less than the legal age here.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

Your problem pilot is apparently you think whenever you write eighteen you are really thinking a younger age. And if you are, that's your business, as long as you say eighteen you're following the rules, what your perception is or thought of what you're "really" saying is just that, yours.

But because you feel that way you continue to tell everyone here that we are all doing the same thing, that everyone who says eighteen is really thinking "she/he is really sixteen wink wink" and that is not the case.

You get all pissy when you think someone is trying to tell others how to write, but its okay for you to stand here and make a blanket statement about what every author thinks when they write.

Just because you want your characters underage doesn't mean we all do and how you are coming across is someone who is trying to make themselves feel better about the fact they see their characters as less than the legal age here.

LIKE

 

[sr71plt]

I think the two of you need to get a room.

 

[DirtyAllie]

This was a decent discussion until it somehow became about under age.

I think incest is an interesting topic and a huge one. Its the biggest draw in almost any type of porn, yet people still try to pretend its some dirty fetish that only a tiny amount of people are into

I'm sure its a small amount who will admit they like it, but a huge number of people that read it and watch the PI videos

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

This was a decent discussion until it somehow became about under age.

I think incest is an interesting topic and a huge one. Its the biggest draw in almost any type of porn, yet people still try to pretend its some dirty fetish that only a tiny amount of people are into

I'm sure its a small amount who will admit they like it, but a huge number of people that read it and watch the PI videos

That's why I've not replied. It'll go on and on. I've said my piece and that's it.

I agree with you about incest. I think because it's a crime in the real world people have issues with it that other erotica doesn't suffer from.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I just wrote an incest story featuring a mom and daughter who fuck the same guys at the same time. Their sex is more aid & assist action when theyre filled with cocks.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

I just wrote an incest story featuring a mom and daughter who fuck the same guys at the same time. Their sex is more aid & assist action when theyre filled with cocks.

I've read a few of those stories. The lucky gentleman in them often impregnates both mother and daughter.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I've read a few of those stories. The lucky gentleman in them often impregnates both mother and daughter.

Its the name of the game in all sexual encounters.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Only partly true.

Rape is a crime, obviously, but discussions of Non-Con don't have the same constant and immediate leap to real world rape when talking about it. But incest does--for people who don't read it, write it, or understand the fetish. They always leap to the real world scenario, which is of course, gross. We all get that.

I've seen comments from people who write full on non-con getting all crazy hot about being forced into sex and getting all detailed and wild about it say "Why would anyone fantasize about incest, ew!" Or who write violent BDSM, who can go full on into sadism, suddenly faint at the idea of two cousins exchanging a kiss. They clearly have zero problem with force, violence, abuse--it turns them on. They love it. Yet when it comes to incest, that's the issue they claim to have a problem with.

It's just a convenient way of dealing with the inherent squick factor. A way of distancing from the fantasy.

I agree with you about incest. I think because it's a crime in the real world people have issues with it that other erotica doesn't suffer from.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

Only partly true.

Rape is a crime, obviously, but discussions of Non-Con don't have the same constant and immediate leap to real world rape when talking about it. But incest does--for people who don't read it, write it, or understand the fetish. They always leap to the real world scenario, which is of course, gross. We all get that.

I've seen comments from people who write full on non-con getting all crazy hot about being forced into sex and getting all detailed and wild about it say "Why would anyone fantasize about incest, ew!" Or who write violent BDSM, who can go full on into sadism, suddenly faint at the idea of two cousins exchanging a kiss. They clearly have zero problem with force, violence, abuse--it turns them on. They love it. Yet when it comes to incest, that's the issue they claim to have a problem with.

It's just a convenient way of dealing with the inherent squick factor. A way of distancing from the fantasy.

All these are what make is unique. I can't stand NC with guns or knives and the like but I like Vore - imagine a man eating plant fucking a girl with tentacles then dragging her into its maw and the petals enveloping her to consume her.

Now that gets me hot! So we all have similar yet very different tastes. But if a NC story had a woman raped and murdered I'd hate it.

 

[lovecraft68]

People are all entitled to their kink and what we are discussing here is fictional accounts of incest/rape not the real thing.

However in general its a sad commentary on erotica society(I won't say society because if you have this conversation outside of a porn site people will squick over rape and incest equally) it is far more acceptable to brutally gang rape and hurt a woman(or sometimes a man) than it is to read about two 18+ adults having consensual sex (albeit family members)

So what is stated is rape and violence and abuse okay...consensual sex not okay because well its family.

Incest and rape are equally heinous crimes in real life, however...let it be noted that incest is really RAPE when a family member forces themselves on another they are not charged with incest is court, they are charged with sexual assault, child abuse, and statutory RAPE

So my point to all the fans of non consent here who point fingers at incest as sick? Well guess what hypocrites they are practicing your fetish, now aren't they?

Beastie is another big squick kink...know why its a crime because animals cannot give consent, so...again what we are discussing is RAPE.

So finger pointers in non consent

Drink a tall glass of stfu because there is only one real sex crime and that's rape so if you like that kink, you sure as hell have no right to judge another because the crime there is your crime.

Have fun with that....

In the meantime have fun with the fact erotica style incest is portrayed very differently than real life incest. Beastie here is masked and 'lightened' by making them mythical beasts.

rape? is glorified and portrayed as far more brutal in these stories than it is in real life and all the sex trafficking stories? Yeah, real fun to mock a woman being drugged abducted and raped for the rest of her life, ever see the victims in real life?

I have, I volunteer at a place where I've met some and rape victims so that's why I have no tolerance for the kink

But I'm not saying others can't enjoy it, but if you do, if you stroke to rape and stroke to sexual slavery...

Again you forego the right to ever judge another because you get off on the sickest crime in erotica.

So....bottom line to the non con fans who enjoy their kink and let others enjoy theirs, keep enjoying to the ones with the nerve to judge.

Fuck you, hypocrites.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No on ever catches hair fire over murder.

As the arch hypocrite here I intend to feed the need of the mama fiends. Many do lots worse to their ma's than fuck them.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

People are all entitled to their kink and what we are discussing here is fictional accounts of incest/rape not the real thing.

However in general its a sad commentary on erotica society(I won't say society because if you have this conversation outside of a porn site people will squick over rape and incest equally) it is far more acceptable to brutally gang rape and hurt a woman(or sometimes a man) than it is to read about two 18+ adults having consensual sex (albeit family members)

So what is stated is rape and violence and abuse okay...consensual sex not okay because well its family.

Incest and rape are equally heinous crimes in real life, however...let it be noted that incest is really RAPE when a family member forces themselves on another they are not charged with incest is court, they are charged with sexual assault, child abuse, and statutory RAPE

So my point to all the fans of non consent here who point fingers at incest as sick? Well guess what hypocrites they are practicing your fetish, now aren't they?

Beastie is another big squick kink...know why its a crime because animals cannot give consent, so...again what we are discussing is RAPE.

So finger pointers in non consent

Drink a tall glass of stfu because there is only one real sex crime and that's rape so if you like that kink, you sure as hell have no right to judge another because the crime there is your crime.

Have fun with that....

In the meantime have fun with the fact erotica style incest is portrayed very differently than real life incest. Beastie here is masked and 'lightened' by making them mythical beasts.

rape? is glorified and portrayed as far more brutal in these stories than it is in real life and all the sex trafficking stories? Yeah, real fun to mock a woman being drugged abducted and raped for the rest of her life, ever see the victims in real life?

I have, I volunteer at a place where I've met some and rape victims so that's why I have no tolerance for the kink

But I'm not saying others can't enjoy it, but if you do, if you stroke to rape and stroke to sexual slavery...

Again you forego the right to ever judge another because you get off on the sickest crime in erotica.

So....bottom line to the non con fans who enjoy their kink and let others enjoy theirs, keep enjoying to the ones with the nerve to judge.

Fuck you, hypocrites.

That was an eloquent post. I love writing about Alien sex but bestiality would make me sick if I saw it. The alien stuff is total fantasy. That involves rape an NC but I'm not much for that genre.

 

[DirtyAllie]

Fuck you, hypocrites.

This isn't as much fun as his man hating rants that he does in public, in bars, full of men...now that's entertainment.

 

[Katiecat]

There is a big difference between real life rape and fantasy rape. Rape in real life is very simple to define: the other person does not want to have sex and does not give permission, or is not legally able to give permission (unconscious, under the influence of drugs/alcohol, or underage). If there is any doubt at all in someone's mind about whether or not the other person is giving them permission, or they are not certain the other party is legally capable to give them permission, they should err on the side of caution and just not do it.

Fictional rape falls into two broad categories, and both can be problematic.

One one hand, we have "romantic" rape -- the reluctant girl who really wants the guy to coax her, convince her, even make her do it so she isn't the "bad girl". Bodice ripper romances, where the dashing, brooding, uber masculine hero kidnaps the virgin from another clan, takes her to his castle, and ravishes her. She hates him, but when he takes her virginity, she has multiple orgasms because he is such an incredible lover, they fall madly in love and the story ends with a wedding and she is pregnant with his heir. Hard BDSM stories where the sub may be humiliated, abused, degraded, made to do things they really don't want to...but they never use their safe word, so they really are submitting willingly and giving permission. Romantic stalker stories -- he is obsessed with her and does everything he can to know everything about her, be wherever she is, and arrange things so he can get her into his bed -- she is reluctant, not interested, may even dislike or be afraid of him, but eventually is won over and falls in love.

There are other examples, but the biggest problem with these scenarios is that they are total fantasy, and unrealistic. They might make for a hot story with a lot of sexual tension, but in real life, women don't typically fall in love with their kidnappers or stalkers. These fantasies can give the wrong idea: "How do I know she really means 'no', and she isn't just playing hard to get? How do I know she just doesn't want to be coaxed and seduced and talked into it?"

The other kind of fantasy rape is problematic because it IS realistic -- the victim does not want sex, does not give permission or cannot give permission, is forced to have sex, and afterwards the dynamic doesn't change. They aren't happy, relieved, or aroused that they were raped. They are not enamored with or in love with their rapist. If rape is presented like this as the crime it is, it can be a significant and important part of the story. But if this realistic rape is presented as something that is sexually arousing, I have concerns about that. That's like the difference between writing about a murder as a crime and a brutal event, vs writing about a murder and making it sound appealing, exciting, and thrilling.

 

[lovecraft68]

There is a big difference between real life rape and fantasy rape. Rape in real life is very simple to define: the other person does not want to have sex and does not give permission, or is not legally able to give permission (unconscious, under the influence of drugs/alcohol, or underage). If there is any doubt at all in someone's mind about whether or not the other person is giving them permission, or they are not certain the other party is legally capable to give them permission, they should err on the side of caution and just not do it.

Fictional rape falls into two broad categories, and both can be problematic.

One one hand, we have "romantic" rape -- the reluctant girl who really wants the guy to coax her, convince her, even make her do it so she isn't the "bad girl". Bodice ripper romances, where the dashing, brooding, uber masculine hero kidnaps the virgin from another clan, takes her to his castle, and ravishes her. She hates him, but when he takes her virginity, she has multiple orgasms because he is such an incredible lover, they fall madly in love and the story ends with a wedding and she is pregnant with his heir. Hard BDSM stories where the sub may be humiliated, abused, degraded, made to do things they really don't want to...but they never use their safe word, so they really are submitting willingly and giving permission. Romantic stalker stories -- he is obsessed with her and does everything he can to know everything about her, be wherever she is, and arrange things so he can get her into his bed -- she is reluctant, not interested, may even dislike or be afraid of him, but eventually is won over and falls in love.

There are other examples, but the biggest problem with these scenarios is that they are total fantasy, and unrealistic. They might make for a hot story with a lot of sexual tension, but in real life, women don't typically fall in love with their kidnappers or stalkers. These fantasies can give the wrong idea: "How do I know she really means 'no', and she isn't just playing hard to get? How do I know she just doesn't want to be coaxed and seduced and talked into it?"

The other kind of fantasy rape is problematic because it IS realistic -- the victim does not want sex, does not give permission or cannot give permission, is forced to have sex, and afterwards the dynamic doesn't change. They aren't happy, relieved, or aroused that they were raped. They are not enamored with or in love with their rapist. If rape is presented like this as the crime it is, it can be a significant and important part of the story. But if this realistic rape is presented as something that is sexually arousing, I have concerns about that. That's like the difference between writing about a murder as a crime and a brutal event, vs writing about a murder and making it sound appealing, exciting, and thrilling.

Right on all accounts.

My rant was based on the simple fact of fans of one extreme kink judging another.

The last part of your post is the type of stories that are not supposed to be allowed here.

But when you have a section called non consent....you have no cause to complain if people post those stories, but if you have a rule you should be enforcing it and it is rarely enforced.

At least not until someone gets so disgusted by one they report it. There were two linked on the boards in the last couple of months where within the first few lines the woman was punched in the face....the fact they passed tells me there is no intention on enforcing that rule

So...why the hell bother? Pilot kept saying wink wink about his thought on under age, but it sure as hell is wink wink with no consent and the wink is at the top.

The site rule(the one it makes no effort to enforce anyway) states the 'victim" should enjoy it at some point. Now I know the thought there is take the edge off the equal to "no one was really hurt during the filming of...."

Okay...but...in reality stories that start with the woman being raped then suddenly loving it(and many stories there its an immediate 360 with no explanation at all...) does is it enforces the misogynistic view that all women really want it and no always means yes.

Good job there. Its less damaging to simply write the story as a flat out rape and the people who get off on it cn get off on it. That's better than perpetuating the disgusting thought women want it no matter what they say.

The second issue is the okay...it looks like a brutal rape for 2 pages then you find out it was her husband and friends, it was a role play, a birthday gift, they were filming a movie...something to say "she was into it all along, she wasn't being raped see?"

Okay fine, but here's the rub there. The author knows, the author knows from the firts to last word there is no rape. In their mind they are writing a rough consensual scene.

But the reader buys the rape and...gets off on it. So even if at the end its found not to be no consent...what was the reader jerking off to? Rape, they were getting off on the brutal rape of a woman and many of these feature physical violence as well, punching, choking...and that is what they cum to...in fact I bet they don't even get to the authors reveal...

What you read is what gets you hot, they are not getting off to "Oh, I bet that's her boyfriend! I bet..." NO its "give it to that fucking bitch!"

Women's rape fantasies are more harmless in them they are the "victim" but know damn well they reall don't want to be raped.

Men's rape fantasies are those of the rapist. Women are turned on by the thought of being powerless, no control they are being taken.

The men the fantasy is as the attacker and the thrill, is being the one to force and hurt the woman.

End of day these are fictional stories and one hopes that in non consent and incest that the readers leave it at fiction ist their kink and it ends there. BUt again its worth mentioning the incest crowd likes it fun and fluffy they don't want to rape their mothr or sister, but love them and many have that desire but never acted on it.

Rape is a brutal pain inflicting fantasy from the male POV and there is no way around that, they get off on the pain, in some ways it is like a Dom in BDSM....the only difference is the big word called consent in BDSM that states whatever he is doing he has the subs permission.

Again only point is fans of rape stories have no cause to ever judge another's kink, they, not the incest crowd should be the ones keeping their kink to themselves. Personally I would rather find out my neighbor has incest porn on his computer than rape porn. If for no other reason than I would know he wants a family member. A rape fan...I have daughters and how do I know he hasn't stared at them or my wife and fantasized about doing it to them?

My wife has worked with victims of rape and domestic abuse for years, I'ev taught many of these women self defense meaning I have spent time with them and seen the results. I've seen some of their attackers in court as a character witness and a couple of times when the assholes violated restraining orders to come by the home.

Because of that I have nothing but loathing for the category and because I am always honest....I do not have good feelings about the authors and readers of pure rape fantasies. that's my opinion and right.

If you get off to pure rape and pain and sexual slavery...you're scum in my eyes. The incest crowd wants fun non con readers want pain...

Tell me which one is worse?

 

[fma20fma]

hi

My friend has shared her incest exp with her uncle, happened,when she was young may be 16 or so..He was 28 or so, used her rear end regularly for some time till he moved away.that happened about 4 years ago.. Now she has secured a job and is away from her home , sharing acco with us. that's about incest.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

A friend of mine has put me in touch with a young lady from America, who's had annincestuois relationship with her father for a good few years.

She's adamant from her experiences that it might be 'socially unacceptable' she's very much his daughter in public and lover in private.

She has detailed their turbulent relationship - trying to avoid suspicious neighbors and the like - abs struggling with the taboo nature of it. She's stated that it's not been difficult once they've gotten over that. She likens it to a person who's in an abusuve relationship finding love and friendship with another. Whereas here she's not cheating on anyone or being exploited.

I've based a character I use in my incest stories I'm writing with her blessing, and I am now, with her blessing stating that she's proud to be in one.

Personally I must admit that I've found it very erotic and arousing to read it. However I may not be impartial on this having had incestuous thoughts growing up - as everyone 'normal' I imagine have had at sometimes as the natural process of growing up physically and emotionally.