A "Women in Comics" Panel with NO WOMEN? Denver Comic Con is a damned Conjob

[LJ_Reloaded]

A "Women in Comics" Panel with NO WOMEN? Denver Comic Con is a damned Conjob

That's a whole new level of pathetic...

http://mic.com/articles/119344/the-...cymicTBLR&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social

Comics conventions bring fans together to celebrate their love of the form. But many Denver Comic Con attendees expressed frustration with their community last week upon learning a "Women in Comics" panel had an all-male lineup.

The panel was intended to discuss popular female characters and female illustrators "that were able to break in the mostly all-male club of creating comics" and to introduce "many of the female illustrators/creators attending the convention," the event description stated.

Why this was a problem: One attendee tweeted that the panelists addressed female characters in comics primarily "in relation to men." A panelist claimed "girls get bored with comics easily." The same attendee asked why the panel was all-male and was reportedly told that the panel was a late addition to the schedule, so organizers "couldn't find any" female comics experts.

Yet comics writer and artist Trina Robbins, who is widely considered one of the foremost experts on women in comics, was reportedly at the conference — and it's likely she wasn't the only woman in the industry there who could have adequately joined the panel. Other attendees refused to remain silent about this oversight and expressed their frustration and disbelief on Twitter...

 

[badbabysitter]

sort of like the GamerGate booth that got pulled because they were listed as a booth promoting a single female artist....

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

Sadly this seems to be par for the course for comics these days.

Oh the irony.

 

[badbabysitter]

Sadly this seems to be par for the course for comics these days.

Oh the irony.

and the gaming industry too

and if you thought the comic book artist thing was ironic.... try bringing up women in gaming with LT..suddenly its not such a big fucking deal

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

and the gaming industry too

and if you thought the comic book artist thing was ironic.... try bringing up women in gaming with LT..suddenly its not such a big fucking deal

It will be when they realise just want a massive audience they're missing off.

Maybe then we'll get more women into the industry and get rid of this 'crusty old mens club' culture that pervades so much of the media.

 

[Mad_Jack_Rabbit]

That's nothing!

Crufts dog show had NO DOGS on the judging panel, ONLY HUMANS!

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

and the gaming industry too

and if you thought the comic book artist thing was ironic.... try bringing up women in gaming with LT..suddenly its not such a big fucking deal

You're a lying shitsack as usual.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

It will be when they realise just want a massive audience they're missing off.

Maybe then we'll get more women into the industry and get rid of this 'crusty old mens club' culture that pervades so much of the media.

Women are making huge inroads into gaming, both as customers who are being catered to, and as developers.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Women don't purchase comics and games at the same rates as men. It's purely based on economics.

"More women are gamers" is only true if you count Facebook games and phone stuff like Candy Crush.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Women don't purchase comics and games at the same rates as men. It's purely based on economics.

"More women are gamers" is only true if you count Facebook games and phone stuff like Candy Crush.

So? Do women have to achieve parity in order for a panel on women in comics to have women participants?

That's like an all-white "Black people in science" panel with NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON prowling around the halls outside.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

Women don't purchase comics and games at the same rates as men. It's purely based on economics.

"More women are gamers" is only true if you count Facebook games and phone stuff like Candy Crush.

Well if you know your gaming - that is THE growth area. The big, monolithic companies are laying off loads and streamlining themselves to survive.

The gaming industry has been saying for nearly a decade that huge console games are a thing of the past compared to what they once were.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Well if you know your gaming - that is THE growth area. The big, monolithic companies are laying off loads and streamlining themselves to survive.

The gaming industry has been saying for nearly a decade that huge console games are a thing of the past compared to what they once were.

Which is sad because we're losing games with great story lines and large sandbox worlds in favor of

..

Candy Crush.

But that's not a "blame women" thing. For one, these games are cheap to make and their appeal is that they require a short attention span.

Secondly, plenty of women are getting into games like Skyrim - one of Skyrim's BIGGEST developers is actually a third party MODDER, a woman who did the Vilja companion addon, and another woman who did Anna NPCs, these are HUGE projects the size of actual games. Then there's all the women users and mod-makers for The Sims series. The Sims is a HUGE market for women. Then there was Mass Effect.

What's killing the big budget games is that they cost too much and the studios are killing people with DLCs and micropay add-ons. Plus Steam and Bethesda recently *laugh* tried to make paid mods a thing, and got their asses kicked in a most spectacular fashion. Big budget games are being killed because they're pissing off their customers.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

Very true, sadly like Hollywood the gaming industry in some quarters has become so unwieldly and so completely out of touch that it will struggle.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Very true, sadly like Hollywood the gaming industry in some quarters has become so unwieldly and so completely out of touch that it will struggle.

And then there's talk of moving to mobile gaming away from PCs and consoles, and to online-only games which will supposedly end all piracy.

(It'll also end a whole lot of sales.)

I think we're headed towards another gaming crash like back in 1983...

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

So? Do women have to achieve parity in order for a panel on women in comics to have women participants?

That's like an all-white "Black people in science" panel with NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON prowling around the halls outside.

Achieve parity? Most women simply aren't interested. That is why most don't spend their money on such pursuits.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Well if you know your gaming - that is THE growth area. The big, monolithic companies are laying off loads and streamlining themselves to survive.

The gaming industry has been saying for nearly a decade that huge console games are a thing of the past compared to what they once were.

I don't know gaming specifically, but I do know the world of wholesale. I have conducted business meetings with buyers from major retailers in the US and abroad. Women simply aren't buying that stuff. You say it is the growth area, but the wholesale side of things speaks otherwise. That they are losing money to streaming among men means they are also losing money to streaming among those few women who ARE into gaming too. (Or are you saying that women are not savvy enough to stream and therefore that's the best source of growth? )

What is happening now is they are trying to create more gamers by fabricating the true numbers of women vs men. They are hoping to manipulate more women into trying it as a pastime. But at the end of the day, Walmart (TRU, Gamestop etc) gives zero fucks about such nonsense when they purchase. I have sold to them, they pull out a laptop and review numbers. Hard, cold historical sales figures are all that counts.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Achieve parity? Most women simply aren't interested. That is why most don't spend their money on such pursuits.

Okay, but there are women developers as I pointed out. And there are women comic book writers, like Marjorie Liu. There were women at the Denver Comic Con and they didn't get in on this panel.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Okay, but there are women developers as I pointed out. And there are women comic book writers, like Marjorie Liu. There were women at the Denver Comic Con and they didn't get in on this panel.

Female developers and comic book writers are in the minority.

Maybe they were invited but had better things to do than to fly to Denver on their own dime because let's face it, this is not a major show.

How do you know that the women who were in Denver for the show already (and were panel-worthy) weren't invited? Where is your evidence? Perhaps they turned it down because they had better things to do.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Female developers and comic book writers are in the minority.

Maybe they were invited but had better things to do than to fly to Denver on their own dime because let's face it, this is not a major show.

How do you know that the women who were in Denver for the show already (and were panel-worthy) weren't invited? Where is your evidence? Perhaps they turned it down because they had better things to do.

There were women comic book writers/artists AT the convention who reported being there.

 

[badbabysitter]

You're a lying shitsack as usual.

based off what? your one article from breitbart.com which never once mentions the contents of the booth, or the panelists that they disrupted and only casually off-handedly mentions the 25 claims of harrasment made towards the GG booth....... but somehow mysteriously, the CBC, the local new affiliates and newspapers somehow do?


... because as well know.. Breitbart is synonymous with ethics in journalism...oh, and its clearly not a conservative rag

 

[badbabysitter]

Women are making huge inroads into gaming, both as customers who are being catered to, and as developers.

Yes, they're a big whopping 3% of the gaming industry field.. and look how welcome they're made.. just ask Brianna Wu or Zoe Quinn

 

[badbabysitter]

Women don't purchase comics and games at the same rates as men. It's purely based on economics.

"More women are gamers" is only true if you count Facebook games and phone stuff like Candy Crush.

women make up 33% of console gamers

and half of handheld and app gamers

even those little dinky facebook games gain revenue


they are a huge untapped market

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

based off what? your one article from breitbart.com which never once mentions the contents of the booth, or the panelists that they disrupted and only casually off-handedly mentions the 25 claims of harrasment made towards the GG booth....... but somehow mysteriously, the CBC, the local new affiliates and newspapers somehow do?


... because as well know.. Breitbart is synonymous with ethics in journalism...oh, and its clearly not a conservative rag

WHAT Breitbart article? Are you crazy?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I come by to visit and find that you are still crazier than a hatter using mercury...

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

Female developers and comic book writers are in the minority.

Maybe they were invited but had better things to do than to fly to Denver on their own dime because let's face it, this is not a major show.

How do you know that the women who were in Denver for the show already (and were panel-worthy) weren't invited? Where is your evidence? Perhaps they turned it down because they had better things to do.

They may be in a minority but it's a very big one.

Most of the best regarded comics authors of the last 28+ years are female.

They just don't beat their chests like the men do.

"Remember Mr Spock, to some people 49% is a minority." Captain Kirk.