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[TheMalevolence]

Came across this in BDSM... Thoughts?

https://www.literotica.com/s/slave-teen-broken-by-machine

 

[lovecraft68]

Interesting to see you post this.

I discussed this story a couple of months ago with someone here who gets very worked up about misunderstood BDSM

As a BDSM story this is inaccurate garbage.

Now as a non consent story it fits the bill.

If you look at the comments the author, in reply to a coupe of remarks that it's not bdsm states she/he screwed up and it should have gone in non consent, but seeing it was months ago and its still there I don't know that they care, or maybe they don't know how to re submit it to go into NC.

They also mention Horror is more there cup of tea and it shows here. This is a nasty disturbing story and again very out of place in BDSM

The very score shows some of the category readers policing it by bombing it.

I imagine it would be over a four in NC where the are a proper number of sadists to enjoy this.

Now this part of my post is personal opinion, these stories if we are supposed to go by Lits rule on non consent...should not be here. No sexual trafficking story should because very, very rare are the ones that will show any consent or accepting of fate, they are rape fests.

In fact the the word battering in the tag line....shows again there is no effort made here to screen any story for any violation, battering is not a consensual word.

 

[CyranoJ]

Well, it's odd in a way, one would expect to find the "sadists" in BDSM -- but I'm not so sure about its doing better in Non-Con, actually. When you're hitting serious blood and mutilation by the fifth paragraph, that's getting substantially stronger than even a lot of the darker material in that category.

 

[lovecraft68]

Well, it's odd in a way, one would expect to find the "sadists" in BDSM -- but I'm not so sure about its doing better in Non-Con, actually. When you're hitting serious blood and mutilation by the fifth paragraph, that's getting substantially stronger than even a lot of the darker material in that category.

The story isn't acceptable for non con either and as I thought more on this maybe I'm wrong that it would score well there, a lot of NC readers like the "she really did want to" aspect more than actual torture.

There is a case to be made this could be in erotic horror, its torture porn.

As for BDSM....of course sadism is part of it, the "S" in BDSM....but understand that there is one consistent hard rule in BDSM "consent" I don't care how whacked out holy shit sick or rough it is, if the sub consents to it and enjoys it...it can be BDSM.

When the story is written that there is no consent, then it leaves the realm of BDSM and enters...non consent

No consent means non consent....I really don't know how some people don't get that.

I think its because of how many people-especially in the pay market- write non con, but slip it into BDSM because some platforms won't allow non con or they don't want the stigma of "rape porn"

There should be no blood and mutilation in any story here that is sexual in nature.

 

[CyranoJ]

I think it's likely that writers new to Lit could be confused that there's a distinction between BDSM and non-con because as fiction goes, off-Lit, that distinction isn't very common; BDSM fantasy generally doesn't shy away from non-con in the least, it's in real-life practice that the distinction's required to be absolute. (Cf. things like Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty books, for instance, which were probably the biggest "mainstream" BDSM books before 50 Shades and which are also very definitely non-con fantasy, even more explicitly than The Story of O. was.) That same confusion seems to be reflected in the mixed responses even to that story, for that matter, some of which are "WTF is this doing here" and others of which don't miss a beat.

Of course these things aren't absolute eternal givens, maybe it's becoming more common globally for the BDSM community to try to dissociate itself from non-con even as the fantasy aspect of things goes.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think it's likely that writers new to Lit could be confused that there's a distinction between BDSM and non-con because as fiction goes, off-Lit, that distinction isn't very common; BDSM fantasy generally doesn't shy away from non-con in the least, it's in real-life practice that the distinction's required to be absolute. (Cf. things like Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty books, for instance, which were probably the biggest "mainstream" BDSM books before 50 Shades and which are also very definitely non-con fantasy, even more explicitly than The Story of O. was.) That same confusion seems to be reflected in the mixed responses even to that story, for that matter, some of which are "WTF is this doing here" and others of which don't miss a beat.

Of course these things aren't absolute eternal givens, maybe it's becoming more common globally for the BDSM community to try to dissociate itself from non-con even as the fantasy aspect of things goes.

You make a good point for the difference in fiction/reality. BDSM practice in real life is consensual because....in real life most want to enjoy their kink, be it 'giving or receiving' but no one really wants to hurt anyone for real...oh and there is that silly crime called rape that non con is in real life so consensual keeps you out of jail.

Also there is a thing called evolution. Desade is seen as the father of BDSM along with Sacher-Masoch. 120 days of Sodom written by Desade....was well before the days of safe sane and consensual and very little in it would fly in the BDSM community today.

As time goes by they have leaned more towards safety than irresponsible depravity and also....think about it, back in their day women were raped for sport now its a crime (unless you're in from India then its still a sport)

Point is the story linked here is not even close BDSM and its pretty grim even for non consent

And I am sure the OP finds it quite a turn on and is jerking off to the thought others are offended that's why he linked it.

See....I know a thing or two about the difference between someone with some average rape fantasies and rough sex and non con fantasies and....a real sadistic sick prick. A sick prick who finds a story this brutal and wants people to click on it and get repulsed.

The op is the latter, I can read it between his lines. Perfect example here. A sick prick who finds a story this brutal and wants people to click on it and get repulsed.


Hope his neighbors don't have daughters.

 

[CyranoJ]

BDSM practice in real life is consensual because....in real life most want to enjoy their kink, be it 'giving or receiving' but no one really wants to hurt anyone for real...oh and there is that silly crime called rape that non con is in real life so consensual keeps you out of jail.

Just so.

Also there is a thing called evolution. Desade is seen as the father of BDSM along with Sacher-Masoch. 120 days of Sodom written by Desade....was well before the days of safe sane and consensual and very little in it would fly in the BDSM community today.

Also true... although there's still a lot of BDSM fiction sold today that really doesn't trouble to paint within "consent" lines. [FWIW I'm bracketing DeSade out altogether on "the past is a foreign country" grounds.] One can expect the calculus to change of course, especially as more and more mainstream works come out purporting to depict BDSM and the community has to spend more and more time explaining to people, "Look, no, we actually don't do abuse and rape for real, because those things are crimes." In that way something like 50 Shades could wind up being a watershed moment more generally; Anne Rice's stuff was still, though "mainstream" in its distribution, being read more within the community than outside it.

(unless you're in from India then its still a sport)

You know, not to digress but I really do wonder WTF is going on with the India thing. Has there been an up-tick in this shit, or was India just like this and it was never being reported / seen before (like police brutality in American ghettoes, or missing and murdered aboriginal women in Canada)? I have to think gang-raping tourists would have made more news in prior eras at the very least, and that the rape epidemic there is a lot more about race/class/caste/foreigner intimidation than is being commonly reported.

Point is the story linked here is not even close BDSM and its pretty grim even for non consent.

Obviously, particularly as Lit categories specifically go. (I think you're being a little hard on the OP with speculation about motives but I'll leave that between y'all.)

 

[robertreams]

Came across this in BDSM... Thoughts?

https://www.literotica.com/s/slave-teen-broken-by-machine

How is this story not rape? It smells like rape, it looks like rape it tastes like rape, etc.

 

[lovecraft68]

How is this story not rape? It smells like rape, it looks like rape it tastes like rape, etc.

It is and seeing you read it-or some of it- you gave the OP another erection.

 

[TheMalevolence]

It is and seeing you read it-or some of it- you gave the OP another erection.

I'd be offended, if that sentence made grammatical sense.

 

[lovecraft68]

How is this story not rape? It smells like rape, it looks like rape it tastes like rape, etc.

It seems Laurel agrees. The story is now being reviewed by the moderator.

That's what usually happens when someone posts something like this, people actually see it and wonder how it got here.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Interesting to see you post this.

I discussed this story a couple of months ago with someone here who gets very worked up about misunderstood BDSM

As a BDSM story this is inaccurate garbage.

Now as a non consent story it fits the bill.

If you look at the comments the author, in reply to a coupe of remarks that it's not bdsm states she/he screwed up and it should have gone in non consent, but seeing it was months ago and its still there I don't know that they care, or maybe they don't know how to re submit it to go into NC.

They also mention Horror is more there cup of tea and it shows here. This is a nasty disturbing story and again very out of place in BDSM

The very score shows some of the category readers policing it by bombing it.

I imagine it would be over a four in NC where the are a proper number of sadists to enjoy this.

Now this part of my post is personal opinion, these stories if we are supposed to go by Lits rule on non consent...should not be here. No sexual trafficking story should because very, very rare are the ones that will show any consent or accepting of fate, they are rape fests.

In fact the the word battering in the tag line....shows again there is no effort made here to screen any story for any violation, battering is not a consensual word.

You remind me of Hillary explaining how she's just a poor country girl like Norma Rae.

 

[robertreams]

Well,why would anyone post it: "read this. no don't", if they didn't really want me to. anyway I didn't read very far. I see no consent of any kind here. How would I know that without reading at lest part of it?

 

[robertreams]

Quote. "You remind me of Hillary explaining how she's just a poor country girl like Norma Rae."

Well, she was once. At least she's not from one of those rich Republican families,like the Bushes. She has actually worked in her life.

 

[TheMalevolence]

Well,why would anyone post it: "read this. no don't", if they didn't really want me to. anyway I didn't read very far. I see no consent of any kind here. How would I know that without reading at lest part of it?

As idiotic as the title is, I realise that I miswrote it, is pointing it out really worth your time?

Oh, and please, the Hillary thing was, I assume, a joke, don't turn this into a politics board thread...

 

[lovecraft68]

You remind me of Hillary explaining how she's just a poor country girl like Norma Rae.

No Hilary talks about women's rights then takes money from a guy who has sex with underage girls on his private Island.

Filth is filth to me, regardless of who or where it is.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Quote. "You remind me of Hillary explaining how she's just a poor country girl like Norma Rae."

Well, she was once. At least she's not from one of those rich Republican families,like the Bushes. She has actually worked in her life.

No, she never was poor. Her old man owned a drapery shop then owned a wholesale fabric warehouse.

 

[sr71plt]

Ah. A warehouse.

 

[lovecraft68]

No, she never was poor. Her old man owned a drapery shop then owned a wholesale fabric warehouse.

Which at the time she was young was I am sure pretty lucrative. I wish all political spin teams would give up trying to make their candidates "one of the people" if they have any political background at all, they are far from "one of us"

 

[lovecraft68]

Ah. A warehouse.

What did your daddy own?

Oh, right, he owned you.

 

[Black_and_White_Writer]

Well, it's odd in a way, one would expect to find the "sadists" in BDSM -- but I'm not so sure about its doing better in Non-Con, actually. When you're hitting serious blood and mutilation by the fifth paragraph, that's getting substantially stronger than even a lot of the darker material in that category.

That amount of action in regards to blood letting and the like I'd put in Erotic Horror with a disclaimer stating that there is no supernatural elements in it - so as not to 'lead on' the horror hounds who want Vampires, Zombies and the like.

People forget BDSM is the very epitome of trust, love and experimentation.

Chaining a girl up and letting all and sundry abuse her is not BDSM its captivity, it's non consensual.

Captivity and abduction is the total lack of consent.

BDSM is the total willing surrender of ones body to another for the consent and by consequence the pleasure of both... or however many people are involved.

 

[21orca]

That amount of action in regards to blood letting and the like I'd put in Erotic Horror with a disclaimer stating that there is no supernatural elements in it - so as not to 'lead on' the horror hounds who want Vampires, Zombies and the like.

People forget BDSM is the very epitome of trust, love and experimentation.

Chaining a girl up and letting all and sundry abuse her is not BDSM its captivity, it's non consensual.

Captivity and abduction is the total lack of consent.

BDSM is the total willing surrender of ones body to another for the consent and by consequence the pleasure of both... or however many people are involved.

I once saw an erotic horror movie where a young girl witnessed her mother being killed by cannible natives on some island in the South Pacific. Or so she thought. Years later when she is grown up, she is asked to go back to this island on some type of science expedition. Reluctant at first, but drawn to the island by an unknown feeling, she finds herself taken by the same cannible tribe. Only to discover that her mother although She did die at there hands, was actually part of a sexual rituals and had allowed herself to be a willing sex object for the natives. The daughter does the same, but survives.

Would that be non consent, or BDSM??

 

[TheMalevolence]

It's consensual, so it's not Non-Con.

However, BDSM? Borderline. It would certainly fall into the Erotic Horror category here, but the only part of BDSM it features is a slight focus on giving up control. "Woman gives herself up as a sex toy" is a common teenage boy's wet dream, in my books.

 

[blin18]

I think part of the problem is that BDSM is actually 4 different kinks, and the intersection of all four is a fifth kink that seems to drive the definition of the category.

The cannibal story sounds like it might be a Masochism story with maybe some bondage. The story that prompted this thread was (I'm guessing) Sadism and Bondage.

A story that doesn't balance all four will probably struggle in that category.

 

[PervOtaku]

There's a major difference between fiction and doing it in real life. It would be easiest to explain with an extreme example.

Women with a rape fetish don't really want to be raped. At most they will do rape play with their husband or boyfriend or a guy from craigslist, with a predetermined scene, set limits, and a safe word. But women with a rape fetish wants to read stories with women characters genuinely being raped. It is vicarious enjoyment of something that would be dangerous in real life and couldn't be legitimately arranged anyway.

So you have BDSM fiction that accurately depicts BDSM practices, and then you have BDSM fiction that depicts how the submissive reading it (or possibly the dominant reading it) would like to feel. Quite possibly the latter would be better described using different terms, but since it appeals to the same people it follows that they might just use the same terms anyway in their searches and when they write these stories.