Now DO IT!!

[Boxlicker101]

Few people have been more deserving than this SOB.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/15/us/boston-bombing-tsarnaev-sentence/index.html

 

[JackLuis]

Wrong Box.

Do it Now, is better.

 

[Boxlicker101]

If the gov. is open to suggestions, I think they should haul out to a local pig farm and let the livestock eat him alive. I believe that would be a fitting end to any Muslim terrorists who are captured.

 

[phrodeau]

Hell yeah! And do the same thing to Bowe Bergdahl!

 

[BotanyBoy]

If the gov. is open to suggestions, I think they should haul out to a local pig farm and let the livestock eat him alive. I believe that would be a fitting end to any Muslim terrorists who are captured.

Why can't we do it to any terrorist?

I know you're a big fan of holy wars and theocracies but can't we just do that to all terrorist who set bombs off in the hood??

 

[1sickbastard]

Not that I'm a supporter of the death penalty, but frankly, it would be more productive to put him into a coma (brain death) and harvest his organs, as needed, then use the remains for research purposes.

At least his demise at the hands of the state might allow others to live, which would actually embody some aspect of justice beyond revenge.

 

[sr71plt]

Just park him away for a few years (there will be at least four years of appeals anyway) and then do it as simply and quietly as possible--preferably in a new era. The last thing we need is a bloodied martyr's death to be topped a couple of times by terrorist groups.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Not that I'm a supporter of the death penalty, but frankly, it would be more productive to put him into a coma (brain death) and harvest his organs, as needed, then use the remains for research purposes.

At least his demise at the hands of the state might allow others to live, which would actually embody some aspect of justice beyond revenge.

That's actually really awesome...yea it's a shame to waste.

 

[1sickbastard]

That's actually really awesome...yea it's a shame to waste.

I wish I could say the idea was original, but it isn't.
Larry Niven used it as one of his major themes in his "Known Space" series, both as a backdrop to how a possible future "history" might unfold, and as a means to explore the ethics of medicine, justice, and resource use.

At one point in his story arcs, the use of organ transplants to extend longevity resulted in imposing the death penalty for crimes like excessive traffic violations and tax evasion. Interestingly, capturing accused criminals alive and healthy became a top priority and drove the development of a slew of non-lethal weapons.

It still holds up pretty well, even though some of the science presented is dated.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Why can't we do it to any terrorist?

I know you're a big fan of holy wars and theocracies but can't we just do that to all terrorist who set bombs off in the hood??

We could do the same thing to other terrorists, but it would be especially fitting to Islamic ones, given their attitude toward pigs. He might even be afraid of being deprived of his 72 virgins.

I am not a fan of any wars, but sometimes it is necessary to fight in self defense. Holy wars are probably the most stupid kind of conflict of all. Theocracies are probably the worst form of government ever devised.

.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I wish I could say the idea was original, but it isn't.
Larry Niven used it as one of his major themes in his "Known Space" series, both as a backdrop to how a possible future "history" might unfold, and as a means to explore the ethics of medicine, justice, and resource use.

At one point in his story arcs, the use of organ transplants to extend longevity resulted in imposing the death penalty for crimes like excessive traffic violations and tax evasion. Interestingly, capturing accused criminals alive and healthy became a top priority and drove the development of a slew of non-lethal weapons.

It still holds up pretty well, even though some of the science presented is dated.

Interesting....we are already approaching the point at which certain population control measures are looking to become an eminent practical necessity in one form or another for the human species to continue on.

I'd like to think we aren't too far off from finding some rad M class worlds to warp off to and colonize.

But it's likely to get far uglier before it gets better.

We could do the same thing to other terrorists, but it would be especially fitting to Islamic ones, given their attitude toward pigs. He might even be afraid of being deprived of his 72 virgins.

*Shrug* I don't much buy into the imaginary super asshole pissing contest.

I just think those who commit acts of mass or exceptionally grotesque violence should be publicly dispatched in the most gruesome of manners.

I am not a fan of any wars, but sometimes it is necessary to fight in self defense. Holy wars are probably the most stupid kind of conflict of all. Theocracies are probably the worst form of government ever devised.

Yea the thing is we aren't fighting in self defense....that may have accounted for a whopping 2% of the entire OIF/OEF effort...the rest of it was about government contracts and who gets which ones. There is absolutely no fucking reason what so ever for us to have a continued military presence in the middle east.....except religious crazy and defense contractors...which just happen to be largely the same group of nuts.

 

[Liar]

Now DO IT!!

Do it yourself.

 

[1sickbastard]

Interesting....we are already approaching the point at which certain population control measures are looking to become an eminent practical necessity in one form or another for the human species to continue on.

I'd like to think we aren't too far off from finding some rad M class worlds to warp off to and colonize.

If humanity is lucky, we may be able to establish fully self-sustaining colonies on Luna and Mars by the end of this century.
I personally doubt humans even visiting another stellar system by the end of this millennium. Interstellar distances are just to vast, and the power requirements to even hit a tenth of light-speed, not to mention controlled distortion of space-time.

The kind of energy required would make a sustainable controlled fusion reaction seem like an ox-powered grain mill by comparison.

Niven, in his Known Space series, first has humans colonizing the solar system (the moon and the Asteroid belt, mostly, with Mars considered useless ) using fusion-powered rockets. Interstellar colonization is all one-way trips using Busard's ramrocket (basically a fusion-powered rocket which uses immense magnetic fields to scoop up and compress interstellar hydrogen thus providing a 'free' source of fuel while in transit), but to do it, he had to basically create a fictional work-around on some basic fundamentals of physics.
Later in the series, humans acquire FTL tech because they get lucky enough to encounter an alien species whose civilization is based on trade (said aliens evolved in a cold, low gravity vacuum so human-habital planets have no value).
Like I said, a good share of the science is dated, but it's still a fun read.

Yea the thing is we aren't fighting in self defense....that may have accounted for a whopping 2% of the entire OIF/OEF effort...the rest of it was about government contracts and who gets which ones. There is absolutely no fucking reason what so ever for us to have a continued military presence in the middle east.....except religious crazy and defense contractors...which just happen to be largely the same group of nuts.

Well, yes and no.
Yes, US involvement isn't about self-defense, it's about the sole superpower maintaining global a global hegemony that it basically stumbled into by historical circumstance, but now that it is the global hegemon, cannot simply walk away without increasing the perceived risks to its strategic imperatives.

"What imperative?" I already hear you asking.
Basically, making sure no regional power can ever consolidate enough strength to ever pose any sort of credible threat to its dominance.
Yeah, I know that sounds stupid, but that's what it boils down to.

To put that in terms you might understand; if a local politician started making serious noise about recriminalizing marijuana (and I'm sure there already are), how would you, personally go about making sure they weren't successful?
Yah, you'd vote against them, but would you also not donate time and energy to candidates who opposed them? Would you not argue against the idiocy of marijuana prohibition with dipshits who think the War on Drugs is working?.
The point is, chances are you'd do your best to nip that shit in the bud and not wait until your state legislature was holding a vote to recriminalize before you got involved, right?
Same principle, it's just when nation-states pursue what they perceive as their strategic interests, people die.

And yes, war is a very profitable enterprise for a few entities; financial institutions, iron mongers (basically the folks who are best at sucking Uncle Sugar's cock,the corporate welfare junkies so beloved by the RWNJ's) but blood is a big expense. Worse, there are real world limits to the use of military power that a good bit of the RWNJ's just cannot wrap their brains around. That's what the Afghanistan and Gulf two (georgie's bugaboo) have demonstrated.

The alternative to direct military intervention is diplomatic manipulation, setting up regional balances of power in which regional players focus on each other.

The problem is, any course of action or non-action will always carry unintended consequences and bring out new threats.

Further direct military involvement in the Levant and Mesopotamia on a massive scale ain't gonna happen, at least from the US. Airstrikes and drone attacks will be about it.
Indirect involvement: training and equipping regional actors whose interests coincide with US interests will happen, so long as there is an overlap of interests, which is what has the RWNJ's in a tizzy when it comes to Israel. As much as they go on about what a "great friend and ally" Israel is, it is neither. The reality is that Israel is another regional actor whose strategic interests are diverging from US interests.
Diplomacy, shifting support from one regional player to another to make sure none ever obtain a decisive advantage, backed with indirect military involvement is how this game is going to get played. That's how the US eventually won the Cold War. The two notable Cold War exceptions where the US had direct military involvement (Korea and Vietnam) demonstrated how limited military power is (as Korea was a draw and Vietnam was a fiasco).

But refusing to be actively engaged in international affairs and attempting to manage emerging regional threats (either real or perceived) ain't an option, not for the world's sole superpower and global hegemon. And that's just reality.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Do it yourself.

I would consider it to be an honor and a privilege but, unfortunately, there are certain laws and regulations against such things.

 

[phrodeau]

There you have it. I suppose you'll be casting votes to make those laws and regulations go away. Electing an evangelical dictator would be one way to do it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

There you have it. I suppose you'll be casting votes to make those laws and regulations go away. Electing an evangelical dictator would be one way to do it.

There would be no way to make those laws and regulations go away. I vote for death penalty advocates, but the executions would always be carried out by professionals, rather than volunteers.

 

[Liar]

I would consider it to be an honor and a privilege but, unfortunately, there are certain laws and regulations against such things.

Ten bux you'd chicken out.

 

[sr71plt]

Well, yes and no.
Yes, US involvement isn't about self-defense, it's about the sole superpower maintaining global a global hegemony that it basically stumbled into by historical circumstance, but now that it is the global hegemon, cannot simply walk away without increasing the perceived risks to its strategic imperatives.

Can't agree with you there. The American psyche is basically isolationist and always has been. All the global business is, in fact, self-defensive in origin--keeping the nasty stuff going on "over there" rather than here.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Ten bux you'd chicken out.

Neither of us would ever collect on such a bet, because the situation will never arise.

 

[1sickbastard]

Can't agree with you there. The American psyche is basically isolationist and always has been. All the global business is, in fact, self-defensive in origin--keeping the nasty stuff going on "over there" rather than here.

Yeah, except that basic isolationist tendency always ends with a bitch-slap like Pearl Harbor or 9/11.
Then the public gets all surprised and indignant that there is, in fact, an entire world that isn't part of the USoA, and that being a citizen/resident of the one of the largest nations on the planet (in both geographical and population terms, not to mention economic power) does carry some obligation.

Sure, back in the post Civil War 1800's, the country could afford to be isolationist.
That all pretty well ended with the Spanish-American War. Once the US acquired overseas territories, isolation became a non-viable option.

And as most Americans aren't willing to live is a second or third tier geopolitical power, isolationist tendencies are about as silly as wanting to return to being a British colony.

 

[Comshaw]

If humanity is lucky, we may be able to establish fully self-sustaining colonies on Luna and Mars by the end of this century.
I personally doubt humans even visiting another stellar system by the end of this millennium. Interstellar distances are just to vast, and the power requirements to even hit a tenth of light-speed, not to mention controlled distortion of space-time.

The kind of energy required would make a sustainable controlled fusion reaction seem like an ox-powered grain mill by comparison.

Niven, in his Known Space series, first has humans colonizing the solar system (the moon and the Asteroid belt, mostly, with Mars considered useless ) using fusion-powered rockets. Interstellar colonization is all one-way trips using Busard's ramrocket (basically a fusion-powered rocket which uses immense magnetic fields to scoop up and compress interstellar hydrogen thus providing a 'free' source of fuel while in transit), but to do it, he had to basically create a fictional work-around on some basic fundamentals of physics.
Later in the series, humans acquire FTL tech because they get lucky enough to encounter an alien species whose civilization is based on trade (said aliens evolved in a cold, low gravity vacuum so human-habital planets have no value).
Like I said, a good share of the science is dated, but it's still a fun read.




Well, yes and no.
Yes, US involvement isn't about self-defense, it's about the sole superpower maintaining global a global hegemony that it basically stumbled into by historical circumstance, but now that it is the global hegemon, cannot simply walk away without increasing the perceived risks to its strategic imperatives.

"What imperative?" I already hear you asking.
Basically, making sure no regional power can ever consolidate enough strength to ever pose any sort of credible threat to its dominance.
Yeah, I know that sounds stupid, but that's what it boils down to.

To put that in terms you might understand; if a local politician started making serious noise about recriminalizing marijuana (and I'm sure there already are), how would you, personally go about making sure they weren't successful?
Yah, you'd vote against them, but would you also not donate time and energy to candidates who opposed them? Would you not argue against the idiocy of marijuana prohibition with dipshits who think the War on Drugs is working?.
The point is, chances are you'd do your best to nip that shit in the bud and not wait until your state legislature was holding a vote to recriminalize before you got involved, right?
Same principle, it's just when nation-states pursue what they perceive as their strategic interests, people die.

And yes, war is a very profitable enterprise for a few entities; financial institutions, iron mongers (basically the folks who are best at sucking Uncle Sugar's cock,the corporate welfare junkies so beloved by the RWNJ's) but blood is a big expense. Worse, there are real world limits to the use of military power that a good bit of the RWNJ's just cannot wrap their brains around. That's what the Afghanistan and Gulf two (georgie's bugaboo) have demonstrated.

The alternative to direct military intervention is diplomatic manipulation, setting up regional balances of power in which regional players focus on each other.

The problem is, any course of action or non-action will always carry unintended consequences and bring out new threats.

Further direct military involvement in the Levant and Mesopotamia on a massive scale ain't gonna happen, at least from the US. Airstrikes and drone attacks will be about it.
Indirect involvement: training and equipping regional actors whose interests coincide with US interests will happen, so long as there is an overlap of interests, which is what has the RWNJ's in a tizzy when it comes to Israel. As much as they go on about what a "great friend and ally" Israel is, it is neither. The reality is that Israel is another regional actor whose strategic interests are diverging from US interests.
Diplomacy, shifting support from one regional player to another to make sure none ever obtain a decisive advantage, backed with indirect military involvement is how this game is going to get played. That's how the US eventually won the Cold War. The two notable Cold War exceptions where the US had direct military involvement (Korea and Vietnam) demonstrated how limited military power is (as Korea was a draw and Vietnam was a fiasco).

But refusing to be actively engaged in international affairs and attempting to manage emerging regional threats (either real or perceived) ain't an option, not for the world's sole superpower and global hegemon. And that's just reality.

There are a few things being investigated that could get us around the limitations we are now facing. One such is Einsteins "Spooky Quantum Entanglement theory". If we can figure it out, it could hold the key to instantaneous travel.


Comshaw

 

[1sickbastard]

There are a few things being investigated that could get us around the limitations we are now facing. One such is Einsteins "Spooky Quantum Entanglement theory". If we can figure it out, it could hold the key to instantaneous travel.


Comshaw

I'm sure it will be useful for extricating ourselves from involvement should we find ourselves in a Scooby-Doo cartoon.

Seriously though, the best lay explanation I've heard on Quantum Entanglement (what Einstein called "spooky action at a distance") is this:
You have a bag with two marbles inside, one blue, one red. Without looking, you pull one marble from the bag and put it in your pocket, then board a Saturn V rocket and endure the 250000 mile trip to Lunar orbit. Once in orbit around Earth's moon, you look at the marble in your pocket. As soon as you look at it, you'll know the color of the marble you left on the bag on Earth.
It's not a matter of instantaneous travel of FTL communication.

That being said, until someone comes up with the GUT (Grand Unification Theory), aka the Theory of Everything, then works out how to apply it to usable technology, we're stuck in an Einsteinian universe where 'c' is an absolute limit.

Sure, given some decent advances in ceramics, metalurgy and sustainable, renewable power generation, it may be possible to construct multi-generational, one-way colony ships, use gravitational slingshoting inside the solar system to build up enough velocity to make Proxima Centauri within four or five centuries of travel time (from the standpoint of those on the ship) or Tau Ceti within a millennium.
Tau Ceti is the closest candidate system that might have planets within the "Goldilocks zone", but it's just under 12 ly away (about 71 trillion miles)

 

[sr71plt]

Yeah, except that basic isolationist tendency always ends with a bitch-slap like Pearl Harbor or 9/11.
Then the public gets all surprised and indignant that there is, in fact, an entire world that isn't part of the USoA, and that being a citizen/resident of the one of the largest nations on the planet (in both geographical and population terms, not to mention economic power) does carry some obligation.

Sure, back in the post Civil War 1800's, the country could afford to be isolationist.
That all pretty well ended with the Spanish-American War. Once the US acquired overseas territories, isolation became a non-viable option.

And as most Americans aren't willing to live is a second or third tier geopolitical power, isolationist tendencies are about as silly as wanting to return to being a British colony.

That doesn't mean that most Americans don't perceive that they can have isolation and domination at the same time--or that each Pearl Harbor or 9/11 doesn't take them completely by surprise.

 

[lovecraft68]

I just wish they would do it quickly rather than adding the insult of the tax payers are having to support him for years to his crimes.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If humanity is lucky, we may be able to establish fully self-sustaining colonies on Luna and Mars by the end of this century.
I personally doubt humans even visiting another stellar system by the end of this millennium. Interstellar distances are just to vast, and the power requirements to even hit a tenth of light-speed, not to mention controlled distortion of space-time.

The kind of energy required would make a sustainable controlled fusion reaction seem like an ox-powered grain mill by comparison.

50 years ago the idea of a communicator was pure science fiction....just a dream.

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/treknobabble50_1.jpg

28 years ago we had a new dream....
http://www.macnotes.de/gimages/richie2010/picard-ipad.jpg

10 years ago we thought planets were a fluke....now we know there are BILLIONS of star systems, many with the potential for life.

Imagine how primitive we were 300 years ago, who knows where we will be in 300 more years....

Well, yes and no.
Yes, US involvement isn't about self-defense, it's about the sole superpower maintaining global a global hegemony that it basically stumbled into by historical circumstance, but now that it is the global hegemon, cannot simply walk away without increasing the perceived risks to its strategic imperatives.

"What imperative?" I already hear you asking.
Basically, making sure no regional power can ever consolidate enough strength to ever pose any sort of credible threat to its dominance.
Yeah, I know that sounds stupid, but that's what it boils down to.

Uh hua...if that is the case then why are we jerk dicking around in a bunch of 3rd world shit holes so we can butt fuck Americans out of as much money as possible?

Why are we not holding China's feet to the fire?? Hua? CHINA is like 1 billion times the threat Iraq and Afghanistan could ever hope to be in the next 150 fucking years.

To put that in terms you might understand;

I understand, you don't have to derp it down for the poor poor stoner and fuckin' insult my intelligence simply because I don't think driving Halliburtons empty trucks around in the desert so they can bill the fuel at a hyper inflated price has any strategic fuckin' value for the people of the US. Your claims to the contrary notwithstanding of course....

Further direct military involvement in the Levant and Mesopotamia on a massive scale ain't gonna happen, at least from the US. Airstrikes and drone attacks will be about it.

Mmhmm....till (R) takes over and can have all the war contracts they can dream up. Then we will have to invade _______ for freedumb and terror!!

But refusing to be actively engaged in international affairs and attempting to manage emerging regional threats (either real or perceived) ain't an option, not for the world's sole superpower and global hegemon. And that's just reality.

I'm not saying don't actively engage....I'm saying quit fucking around with Iraq/Afghanistan, harassing the desert goat headers of the 3rd world because Christian America, just isn't worth the trillions of fuckin' dollars. They aren't a threat worthy of military anything....

Want to take on a threat? Send a diplomat to tell China they need to quit fucking around because with the way trade is being managed they are DESTROYING america economically. Chinese bureaucrats are the real threat...not some religious troll in the desert 14,000 fuckin' miles from who gives a shit with an AK and some serious religious ass hurt.