Climate continues to change.

[VaticanAssassin]

No, human population has not reached 7 billion in what you call the mini ice ages. Furthermore, there were no industrial revolutions during the "mini ice ages".

Not sure where I said it had. Everything you just said is bringing new topics to the conversation. New topics that do not change the fact that warming and cooling patterns have remained consistent in their up and downs, while population has done nothing but increase. There is no correlation.

There is no room for opinion here as the data is empirical. Under any statistical measure of causation you want to use, there is not even a hint of a casual relationship.

 

[weedgarden]

Not sure where I said it had. Everything you just said is bringing new topics to the conversation. New topics that do not change the fact that warming and cooling patterns have remained consistent in their up and downs, while population has done nothing but increase. There is no correlation.

There is no room for opinion here as the data is empirical. Under any statistical measure of causation you want to use, there is not even a hint of a casual relationship.

Man, really sounds like you're buying and believing your own bullshit. Never mind the vast majority of climatologists and scientific bodies who say that is completely bonkers.

This one graph says it all.
https://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/benefi11.jpg

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Man, really sounds like you're buying and believing your own bullshit. Never mind the vast majority of climatologists and scientific bodies who say that is completely bonkers.

This one graph says it all.
https://climateaudit.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/benefi11.jpg

I may screen print this and add it to the slides I am presenting at a actuarial conference next week. They say it is good to open with a joke...

 

[weedgarden]

Well, I guess the humor escapes me.
But be my guest, I'm sure you'll have the room in stitches.

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/25/asia/india-heatwave-deaths/

Stifling heat has killed more than 1,100 people in India in less than one week.

The worst-hit area is the southeastern state of Andhra Pradesh, where authorities say 852 people have died in the heat wave. Another 266 have died in the neighboring state of Telangana.

India recorded its highest maximum temperature of 47 degrees Celsius -- 117 degrees Fahrenheit -- at Angul in the state of Odisha on Monday, according to B.P. Yadav, director of the India Meteorological Department.

Hot, dry conditions are being made worse by winds blowing in from Pakistan's Sindh province across the northern and central plains of India. "This extreme, dry heat is being blown into India by westerly winds," Yadav said.

The high temperatures are expected to continue for another two days before any respite, the meteorological department warned Tuesday. However, the agency said that another hot spell would likely soon follow.

 

[thør]

http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/85000/85932/lst_neo_2015137-2015144.jpg

Just the recent weather.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You are correct that to the degree that man has an impact what ever that might be, it can only get much worse. All of the proposed solutions save nuclear power cannot possibly outstrip population growth.. The rest of the world is catching up to our ravenous appetite for energy. Conservation helps but we keep coming up with new uses for it.

Anyone that is not pronuclear power to address the potential, but far from proven problem is not serious about it. No other form of zero-carbon emission power generation is viable on the scale that would be needed to make any impact at all.

And after a few more fukashima's poison the entire fuckin' planet?? What then?

 

[thør]

Interesting Stuff

 

[thør]

New Islands pop up in the Red Sea.

 

[thør]

There's a change coming on.

 

[Saint Peter]

We are doomed.

 

[thør]

We are doomed.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/68/b9/7f/68b97fe33a1e3117c54bc5bf83874cf7.jpg

 

[phrodeau]

Big news this morning. It's announced that Alaska had its hottest month of May since records have been kept there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/.../alaska-just-had-its-hottest-may-in-91-years/

Maybe it's not such a big deal. We've had 362 consecutive months of above-average global temperatures, which makes Alaska's records seem trivial.

Besides, maybe those Alaskans don't know how to read a thermometer properly.

 

[thør]

Big news this morning. It's announced that Alaska had its hottest month of May since records have been kept there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/.../alaska-just-had-its-hottest-may-in-91-years/

Maybe it's not such a big deal. We've had 362 consecutive months of above-average global temperatures, which makes Alaska's records seem trivial.

Besides, maybe those Alaskans don't know how to read a thermometer properly.

Alaskan climate records are trivial, considering that the length of record is relatively short compared to other places in the world.

And May was pretty warm, but in Anchorage, I think that May 2014 was much warmer.

http://pafc.arh.noaa.gov/data/graphics/panctemps2014.png

http://pafc.arh.noaa.gov/data/graphics/panctemps2015.png

We Alaskan are quite adept at reading the thermometer. That's how you brag about "how Alaskan" you are.

 

[thør]

Burning biomass creates 50% more CO2 than coal?

So they say.

 

[Yardley]

Burning biomass creates 50% more CO2 than coal?

So they say.

Not at all surprised. Look at the differences in heat output from burning oak versus pine. Both are going to put a similar about of soot and smoke and co2 into the air per cord, but you need a lot less oak to heat your home.

 

[phrodeau]

Burning biomass creates 50% more CO2 than coal?

So they say.

Biomass carbon came from the atmosphere, and gets returned to the atmosphere, so the net effect is zero additional carbon in the air. Carbon from coal is extracted from the ground and added to the atmosphere.

The Massachusetts study makes that clear. The Times columnist ignores it completely.

 

[thør]

Biomass carbon came from the atmosphere, and gets returned to the atmosphere, so the net effect is zero additional carbon in the air. Carbon from coal is extracted from the ground and added to the atmosphere.

The Massachusetts study makes that clear. The Times columnist ignores it completely.

If you burn it faster than you can grow it?

 

[phrodeau]

If you burn it faster than you can grow it?

Can't be any worse than the deforestation that people have been causing for decades.

And, people have been burning fossil fuels a lot faster than they can grow.

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...ay-2015-on-track-to-be-warmest-year-on-record

The Earth experienced its hottest June and the hottest first half of the year since records began, according to scientists.

Off-the-charts heat is “getting to be a monthly thing”, said Jessica Blunden, a climate scientist for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. June was the fourth month of 2015 to break a record, she said.

NOAA calculated that the world’s average temperature in June hit 61.48F (16.33C), breaking the old record set last year by 0.22F (0.12C). Usually temperature records are broken by one or two hundredths of a degree, not nearly a quarter of a degree, Blunden said.

The picture is even more dramatic when the half-year statistics are considered.

The average temperature in the first six months of 2015 was 57.83F (14.35C), beating the old record set in 2010 by one-sixth of a degree.

June was warm nearly all over the world, with exceptional heat in Spain, Austria, parts of Asia, Australia and South America. Southern Pakistan had a June heatwave that killed more than 1,200 people — which, according to an international database, makes it the eighth deadliest in the world since 1900. In May, a heatwave in India claimed more than 2,000 lives and ranked as the fifth deadliest on record.

May and March also broke monthly heat records that go back 136 years. Earth has broken monthly heat records 25 times since the year 2000 but hasn’t broken a monthly cold record since 1916.

 

[thør]

Can't be any worse than the deforestation that people have been causing for decades.

And, people have been burning fossil fuels a lot faster than they can grow.

Decades?

Centuries!

 

[thør]

Alaskans might not want to buy that -70°F parka this year.

Story

 

[thør]

Obama's coming! Obama's coming!

 

[thør]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/l/t1.0-9/10461320_712268038847029_5804704086919236079_n.jpg?oh=303521ab2d8db5d80e30d305ea4aa502&oe=564323BE

 

[phrodeau]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/l/t1.0-9/10461320_712268038847029_5804704086919236079_n.jpg?oh=303521ab2d8db5d80e30d305ea4aa502&oe=564323BE

I sure hope that Rep. Barton's wind is finite.