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I have been thinking about the collapse of television as the primary news, entertainment and consumer advertising medium... And the way the collapse is affecting society.

Discuss.
 
If you want to talk about the loss of viable ad revenue propping up the networks, the answer is Netflix, Hulu and YouTube.

If you want go talk about the dumbing down of programming to try to shock people into tuning in, the answer is reality TV shows on the learning channels.

If you want to talk about the failure to deliver practical news that is useful to the people, the answer is Fox News.

Anything else you'd like to discuss?
 
So instead of brats swarming around the tv, they are glued to their iPads.
 
Network news failed when it chose sides back in 1973. From what I've read, Lyndon Johnson gave the networks the choice of kiss his ass or deal with the IRS/FBI, and they grabbed their ankles then took it out on Nixon. By 1973 Rather and Brokaw loved the Democrats.
 
Television news has been dead for twenty years.

What's not dead is the revenue in program areas such as sports. There has never been more ad money spent or larger contracts between leagues and provider. Everyone is getting rich.
 
I have been thinking about the collapse of television as the primary news, entertainment and consumer advertising medium... And the way the collapse is affecting society.

Discuss.

Have you now?

What do you want to discuss, the upside or the downside? Or how the education system plays into all of this? Or all of it?

There is a Balkanization of thought taking place. The alternative media is like Sirius Radio, you tune into the 'station' you want to listen too and all other sources of information are disregarded. You only have to listen to or see that which reinforces what you want to believe to be true. A self-indoctrination program as it were. Islands of isolated and often incompatible ideas springing up here and there. And it won't be long before those ideas/beliefs manifest themselves in the political process. Indeed, they already are.

The good news is that a few media outlets, marching in lock-step won't be controlling what the people hear and see. They are not necessarily the smartest, wisest, and as we've found out, the most ethical among us. The alternative media allows differing individuals to convey their messages complete as opposed to being characterized by 'sound bites.' This positive is negated by the Balkinization process referred to above.

This is process is most dangerous when the poorly educated are thrown into the mix. They don't know what the opposing views are because they'll never hear them. They'll only hear what their side tells them the other side believes. The larger and less homogenous the nation, the more dangerous this becomes in terms of long term stability.

Using radio for an analogy, once upon a time there was Top 40 AM radio. You heard the top music from France, Italy, the UK, Japan, rock, blues, jazz, swing, the entire gamut of music national and international. (Barring the Payola stations that is.) Then along came the FM 'alternative stations. Now people tune into a specific genre' of music and for the most part stick there. Never wandering outside their comfort zone. The interwebs is an example of that phenomena as applied to damn near everything in life. Hell, we're even seeing it here at Lit.

Ishmael
 
As long as society is bombarded with all that stuff in other ways, how is it really affected? My tv still does all that stuff. My computer does all that stuff. I still get a newspaper. Cable, Satellite. Pirate Bay. Billboards. Phones.

Maybe tv will go back to only 3 channels.

The horror...
 
I get it all from Twitter.


Just kidding! I do think that the current mainstream media will peter out though. Why bother paying $70 a month for cable when you can get HBO Now for $15 and see the good shows, $8 for Hulu for everything else. The current cable plans are about to be useless.
 
I have been thinking about the collapse of television as the primary news, entertainment and consumer advertising medium... And the way the collapse is affecting society.

Discuss.



I guess you will be purchasing a 1980's van, some candy, and start spending more time at the local park
 
Brazil & Time Bandits! Those two movies were the beginning of the end for my school sweetheart and me....saw them both in the theatres; she hated them I loved them.

Fisher King.


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There are two main things on my mind on this topic:

1. The Consumer Economy relies upon advertising to drive demand for products and services. Television was the go-to platform for decades, with half the country congregating together in their living rooms watching one screen.....now, audiences are splintered, watching multiple screens...and most services like Netflix have no advertising.

2. Splintered audiences on multiple screens have also stopped relying on Television News....and you can see what "TV News" has become in its search for viewers...most TV News is a fucking gong show.



It's funny because yesterday a friend of mine mentioned that after this very busy weekend he planned to lock himself in his apartment with his girlfriend and marathon watch an entire season of some TV show he really likes. We started talking about how different this was from when we were kids, when we'd wait from week to week to see what happened on our favorite show. And though there was something vaguely unsettling about the New Everything-on-Demand way, we freely admitted that as consumers of entertainment it's waaaay better. I'd made the argument that there was value in the suspense generated by the long wait between episodes, but even as it came out of my mouth it sounded lame. Like the telephone naysayer complaining, "Remember the golden glory days when you'd wait for the horse to arrive with your messages? This new telephone thingy just sucks all the thrill out of life!" :rolleyes:

As a kid, I had VHS copies of my favorite movies (Brazil and Time Bandits were two I remember) and I watched the fuck out of those tapes, over and over again, because there was often nothing interesting to watch on the three networks/12 stations our antenna could capture. (We were poor folk without cable.) If me as a kid could peek into the future and see a time of Youtube and Hulu and Netflix and literally more movies and TV shows than I could ever possibly watch in a thousand lifetimes, my little brain would probably explode with joy.

Obviously, this glut of watchable stuff has the effect of devaluing entertainment. I never watch the same movie twice anymore because there's just too little time and too many new movies and shows. I can't remember what I watched last month. The very act of watching a movie - something once such a huge deal - is unmemorable, even if the movie is very good.

What it'll mean in the long run, I really don't know. But it's interesting.
 
It's funny because yesterday a friend of mine mentioned that after this very busy weekend he planned to lock himself in his apartment with his girlfriend and marathon watch an entire season of some TV show he really likes. We started talking about how different this was from when we were kids, when we'd wait from week to week to see what happened on our favorite show. And though there was something vaguely unsettling about the New Everything-on-Demand way, we freely admitted that as consumers of entertainment it's waaaay better. I'd made the argument that there was value in the suspense generated by the long wait between episodes, but even as it came out of my mouth it sounded lame. Like the telephone naysayer complaining, "Remember the golden glory days when you'd wait for the horse to arrive with your messages? This new telephone thingy just sucks all the thrill out of life!" :rolleyes:

As a kid, I had VHS copies of my favorite movies (Brazil and Time Bandits were two I remember) and I watched the fuck out of those tapes, over and over again, because there was often nothing interesting to watch on the three networks/12 stations our antenna could capture. (We were poor folk without cable.) If me as a kid could peek into the future and see a time of Youtube and Hulu and Netflix and literally more movies and TV shows than I could ever possibly watch in a thousand lifetimes, my little brain would probably explode with joy.

Obviously, this glut of watchable stuff has the effect of devaluing entertainment. I never watch the same movie twice anymore because there's just too little time and too many new movies and shows. I can't remember what I watched last month. The very act of watching a movie - something once such a huge deal - is unmemorable, even if the movie is very good.

What it'll mean in the long run, I really don't know. But it's interesting.

There was no teevee where I lived before I started school. The first teevee I saw was tiny and ON at night for a couple of hours. THE AMES BROTHERS as the very first show I saw.

Before teevee we sat outside after supper, and people visited. Or we went to the drive-in movie where it was so cool to press your face against a car window to watch teens neck.
 
I imagine Lance's youtube channel to be full of cravat tips and updates on the 22 y/o russian models he bangs.
 
I agree with Ishmael, though I know we approach this from very different perspectives. It chimes with something kbate wrote yesterday about the ridiculous fragmentation of identity politics. When we all, finally, have our own perfect little box, comprised only of people exactly like us...we will find that we have no-one to talk to.

Culture emerges from difference and conflict. You don't have to be a Marxist dialectician to see that when society does it best to smooth away all the ragged edges in case someone is offended, that a great deal of kinetic energy is lost, and with it the drive that energy once provided.

Divide and rule.
 
There was no teevee where I lived before I started school. The first teevee I saw was tiny and ON at night for a couple of hours. THE AMES BROTHERS as the very first show I saw.

Before teevee we sat outside after supper, and people visited. Or we went to the drive-in movie where it was so cool to press your face against a car window to watch teens neck.

Just as drive-in movies are almost a thing of the past, indoor movie theaters may not be far behind. Yesterday afternoon, on a whim, I decided to go see a movie at a theater and I had my own private screening.
 
Just as drive-in movies are almost a thing of the past, indoor movie theaters may not be far behind. Yesterday afternoon, on a whim, I decided to go see a movie at a theater and I had my own private screening.

I recently watched AMERICAN SNIPER and vowed its my last in door movie. Its outta control.
 
I agree with Ishmael, though I know we approach this from very different perspectives. It chimes with something kbate wrote yesterday about the ridiculous fragmentation of identity politics. When we all, finally, have our own perfect little box, comprised only of people exactly like us...we will find that we have no-one to talk to.

Culture emerges from difference and conflict. You don't have to be a Marxist dialectician to see that when society does it best to smooth away all the ragged edges in case someone is offended, that a great deal of kinetic energy is lost, and with it the drive that energy once provided.

Divide and rule.

Culture is the result of conquest. Once you 'get' it the way forward is clear.
 
I recently watched AMERICAN SNIPER and vowed its my last in door movie. Its outta control.

What do you mean, outta control? There was nothing out of control about my movie experience yesterday. Like I said, I was completely alone.
 
Just as drive-in movies are almost a thing of the past, indoor movie theaters may not be far behind. Yesterday afternoon, on a whim, I decided to go see a movie at a theater and I had my own private screening.

Is this surprising? Most people are still at work in the afternoon.
 
At the same time, you need big enough identifiable clusters in order to create/control demand for and effectively market consumer products.

I would think for example that it is much harder today for Proctor & Gamble to stimulate demand for and loyalty to its products....because so many people are getting their news and entertainment from either "no ad" platforms....or on platforms where you can Skip the Ad.


Great great fantastic movie. One of Robin William's best roles, only possibly surpassed by his turn in World's Greatest Dad.



On the topic of splintering/niche: that's actually something that concerns me. Subcultures and schools of thought/music are germinated on the streets by likeminded people huddled together far away from corporate vultures. Nowadays the second anything new starts to get any traction, all the suits are trying to figure out how to exploit it - and usually end up killing it with dilution/perversion of original concept/driving away the creators. Can you imagine if punk were starting to be a thing now, and kids were discussing it beneath big links with "Buy Punk on Amazon.com!"? :rolleyes:
 
Just as drive-in movies are almost a thing of the past, indoor movie theaters may not be far behind. Yesterday afternoon, on a whim, I decided to go see a movie at a theater and I had my own private screening.

What did you go see?
 
Is this surprising? Most people are still at work in the afternoon.

Yeah, I thought it was a little surprising. I don't see how the theater made a dime because the popcorn was even free. I know they do a lot better in the evenings, but I've actually started going in the afternoons on purpose. Who wants to see a movie with a bunch of strangers who are busily eating popcorn and candy, talking, drinking cokes, checking their phones for messages, and all that other bullshit typical movie patrons do?
 
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