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What in the fuck is going on with cops in this country?

CBS story relates that the incident occurred back on Feb. 19th and that the suspect had been on a crime spree and was suicidal. Most unbelievable of all, the suspect not only survived, but spent only two days in the hospital.

Thanks to the highly fortuitous outcome, the officer who ran over the suspect is now credited with "saving his life" since it appears the suspect may have been trying to commit "suicide by cop."

I guess you get to spin it that way when idiocy, against all odds, works out for the best.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dashcam-video-shows-arizona-cop-car-ramming-armed-suspect/
 
Killswitch said:
This is the craziest thing I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYQaB4ho4Do
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So as I understand it, this guy

Stole a car

committed a burglary

set fire to a church

did a home invasion robbery

stole a rifle and ammunition

fired the rifle

then pointed the rifle at officers.

If any of those are wrong or I left anything out, please correct me.

Given those circumstances, use of deadly force was authorized.

I've read elsewhere that people think the officer didn't have to be going that fast.

Here's the way that works.

You hit him too slow, he bounces in front of the car and you run him over.

Hit him a bit faster, he rolls up the hood, over the roof, may not land hard enough to be incapacitated.

Hit him a bit faster than that, he will fly over the roof and land pretty hard, and should be out of the fight.

Hit him too fast, you pin him to the grill like a bug, and then crush him into that wall.

All things considered, I think the officer did a hell of a job of it, without a lot of time to consider a lot of options.

Result was everyone lived. Some property was damaged. Property is replaceable, people are not.
 
I've had my share of encounters with bad cops so when I hear AA talk about police brutality I know from whence they speak. Still being a cop is a tough job.
Every city can't afford to pay what NYC pays a police officer. You get what you pay for and there is always a few bad apples, even in high priced barrels.

The media is just focusing on this because of the election cycle. Where have they been all this time?
 
Balladeer08 said:
So as I understand it, this guy

Stole a car

committed a burglary

set fire to a church

did a home invasion robbery

stole a rifle and ammunition

fired the rifle

then pointed the rifle at officers.

If any of those are wrong or I left anything out, please correct me.

Given those circumstances, use of deadly force was authorized.

I've read elsewhere that people think the officer didn't have to be going that fast.

Here's the way that works.

You hit him too slow, he bounces in front of the car and you run him over.

Hit him a bit faster, he rolls up the hood, over the roof, may not land hard enough to be incapacitated.

Hit him a bit faster than that, he will fly over the roof and land pretty hard, and should be out of the fight.

Hit him too fast, you pin him to the grill like a bug, and then crush him into that wall.

All things considered, I think the officer did a hell of a job of it, without a lot of time to consider a lot of options.

Result was everyone lived. Some property was damaged. Property is replaceable, people are not.
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I'm certainly happy things worked out the way they did, but I think you're giving the officer waaaaay too much credit. I don't believe for one minute that he selected a specific ramming speed to consciously reduce the likelihood of the less desirable outcomes you've speculated.

He got lucky. Running over someone at that speed is no less likely to kill him than in an exchange of gunfire.

The use of lethal force being warranted in this circumstance is not the issue. The issue is the choice of lethal force and how it was specifically applied. I still think the officer's decision was highly questionable.
 
He was worth 10 points, maybe 20 depending on his citizenship status.
 
Colonel Hogan said:
I'm certainly happy things worked out the way they did, but I think you're giving the officer waaaaay too much credit. I don't believe for one minute that he selected a specific ramming speed to consciously reduce the likelihood of the less desirable outcomes you've speculated.

He got lucky. Running over someone at that speed is no less likely to kill him than in an exchange of gunfire.

The use of lethal force being warranted in this circumstance is not the issue. The issue is the choice of lethal force and how it was specifically applied. I still think the officer's decision was highly questionable.
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He'd been an officer for more than 10 years, I figure he's seen his share of vehicle accidents. And there is a nice chart to help you compute speed of vehicle versus pedestrian by determining how far up the pedestrian hit the hood, windshield, roof. Tools of the trade. It would be odd if, after 10 years as a street cop, he was not aware of it.

He choice a possibly lethal force that could not go through the suspect and half a mile down range with the change of hitting a bystander. One that could not ricochet of the gun the suspect was carrying and wind up who knows where? In short, he used a method that was safer for the rest of the public. IMHO, good choice.
 
Balladeer08 said:
He'd been an officer for more than 10 years, I figure he's seen his share of vehicle accidents. And there is a nice chart to help you compute speed of vehicle versus pedestrian by determining how far up the pedestrian hit the hood, windshield, roof. Tools of the trade. It would be odd if, after 10 years as a street cop, he was not aware of it.

He choice a possibly lethal force that could not go through the suspect and half a mile down range with the change of hitting a bystander. One that could not ricochet of the gun the suspect was carrying and wind up who knows where? In short, he used a method that was safer for the rest of the public. IMHO, good choice.
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There's a chart? Seriously? I'm not calling you a liar, I've just never heard of such a thing. I'd love a link if you've got one.
 
Colonel Hogan said:
CBS story relates that the incident occurred back on Feb. 19th and that the suspect had been on a crime spree and was suicidal. Most unbelievable of all, the suspect not only survived, but spent only two days in the hospital.

Thanks to the highly fortuitous outcome, the officer who ran over the suspect is now credited with "saving his life" since it appears the suspect may have been trying to commit "suicide by cop."

I guess you get to spin it that way when idiocy, against all odds, works out for the best.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dashcam-video-shows-arizona-cop-car-ramming-armed-suspect/
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No, Deputy Dildo.

What the cop did was creative and the outcome was great. Alls well that ends well. Suicides are always challenging, and the standard pleading and begging and bull shit often fail. That is, first responders typically reach for the CYA tool before they do what works. And what works is often bizarre and surprising.
 
blame the obama regime as they are the real terrorists

blame demoncraps - for giving us patriot act II
 
That vid was pretty cool but the fight in the walmart parking lot is going to be hard to beat for most entertaining


Think about it, 300 million people in a country where everybody is allowed to carry a gun and defend themselves, plus a high percentage of thieves.

Not every encounter by police is going to be textbook perfect
 
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Cops don't understand that when they shoot at perps, the rounds that miss don't just evaporate. It's a wonder there isn't more collateral damage than there is in poe-lease shootings.


I vote for using the car like in the video. It neutralized the suspect and only a masonry wall was otherwise damaged.
 
Colonel Hogan said:
There's a chart? Seriously? I'm not calling you a liar, I've just never heard of such a thing. I'd love a link if you've got one.
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Mine is in my copy of "Medico-Legal Investigation of Death". I don't know about an on-line link, I was a cop before the internet. Bulletin boards that relayed messages were just becoming a thing then.
 
Cops are people and putting on a badge doesn't make them a saint or give them endless patience to deal with criminals. With everything being covered now a days by some kind of media, the whole world gets to understand that normal people become policeman and some do some incredibly stupid things and downright illegal things (that just makes them a cautious criminal).

In the case of this cop running over that guy...good call. The criminal fired off one round, no doubt would have shot at the other cops arriving on the scene that would have forced a hell of a lot of gunfire. It's shocking to see a man get hit by a car like that, it's very graphic, but it was either the car or a wall of bullets. Nothing wrong with what this cop did in this situation.
 
Colonel Hogan said:
There's a chart? Seriously? I'm not calling you a liar, I've just never heard of such a thing. I'd love a link if you've got one.
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30 seconds of checking brought this link to the book

http://books.google.com/books?id=-m_fb580Vx0C&pg=PA903&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false


Don't know why this surprises you. I'm sure there are things in every profession that people not in it don't know about.

Ever since that guy Gutenberg, it has been impossible to know everything. There is too much knowledge in the world for that.

Probably too much in every field, for that matter.
 
Everyday_Man said:
Had to stop at the bowel protrusion. How much puke is in my body? I'm about to find out.
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Yeah. Well. Think about that.

And you were just looking at 2-dimensional pictures in a book. From one angle. For a few moments.

Cops see it in 3 dimensions, the real thing, right in front of them. With the smell of voided bowels, and rotting flesh. And maybe see little details, like the person's pet got hungry while waiting for someone to find the body...

And then they have to photograph it, measure it, diagram it, write a report about it. And dredge it all up again later to testify about it.

Meanwhile you can still smell those odors on your uniform. It's in your hair.

I used to keep sweatpants and sweatshirt in the back of my car, so I could stop and launder my uniform before going home. You don't want to expose the wife and kids to that. But they'll still notice you are upset. And you don't want to talk about that to them.

All this joy, while receiving paltry pay and being vilified.

And the pictures in a book upset you.

Perhaps that "Thin Blue Line" looks a little different to you now?

It has become fashionable for people to thank Veterans for their service.

Perhaps you might try thanking your local cops for the service they give you.

And the EMTs and Paramedics, who also deal with horrors in the service of their community.

I intentionally leave out the firemen. They get their asses kissed enough to begin with, and everyone has to have someone to kick. 8)
 
It was a joke about the puke, not actual truth.

As far as police officers go, I find they are a necessary evil, because lets face it, the job does not attract all boy scouts earning their badges. If I go my entire life without having to talk to or interact with a police officer on active duty or ready to be on active duty, then I'll be a happy man.

As far as all the shit they have to put up with, they took the job, they volunteered to deal with that mess, that wasn't altruism on their part to spare those who either can't or don't want to put up with it from having to see it.
 
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