Minimum wage

[BoyNextDoor]

How about the minimum wage is raised to $12.00 an hour, but only for companies that have gross revenues over $1billion?

 

[PoppingTom]

Wouldn't change anything, except the outsourcing of the workers. We already had something like this here in Germany.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Try trade policy reform with China....

 

[AllyRose]

Or... policy reform and an increase in the minimum wage.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Try trade policy reform with China....

Not that he did much but at least Obama did bring up a few times that China is a cheating cheater who cheats with the Yuan.

I think we need to redefine what small business is for starters as something to do with revenue and not number of employees. Since a small company is anything under I thik 50 employees legally most computer companies manage to remain small companies forever between contractors (all the cleaners aren't really employees they were for J and J janitors, the advertisers work for Dollah for Hollah so on and and so forth and fuck that.

Legally link the pay of the CEO to the average employee.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Or... policy reform and an increase in the minimum wage.

If you reform it worth even the slightest drip of rat shit you wouldn't need to increase minimum wage

Not that he did much but at least Obama did bring up a few times that China is a cheating cheater who cheats with the Yuan.

Among many other cheats not to mention atrocities....

True...he is bringing this issue into the public eye, gotta start somewhere. Now we just need some L & R favorite documentary makers to do some exposes and hopefully a movement is born.

I think we need to redefine what small business is for starters as something to do with revenue and not number of employees. Since a small company is anything under I thik 50 employees legally most computer companies manage to remain small companies forever between contractors (all the cleaners aren't really employees they were for J and J janitors, the advertisers work for Dollah for Hollah so on and and so forth and fuck that.

Legally link the pay of the CEO to the average employee.

I don't think the answer is to further punish/penalize American companies.....we have been doing that as hard as we can and all it's done is drive more of them further away.

I think the answer is to call China on their bullshit, tell them openly and point blank to cut the bullshit cheating and clean up their act IMMEDIATELY. At a bare fucking minimum the currency manipulation and gross human rights violations/slave labor have to stop time fucking now, and don't even offer it as a debate/negotiation. Stop or it's hitting the fuckin' fan....you have 24 hrs to comply, resistance is futile.

But back to the cash being king rule...our government is more responsible to the big bux who made ultra bux buying slave labor from china to destroy American competition. China is going to buy our economy out from under us using slave labor and poisoning the planet wholesale and there is little to nothing that will be done about it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If you reform it worth even the slightest drip of rat shit you wouldn't need to increase minimum wage

Much of the manufacturing in China and India (and presumably soon to be Sub-Saharan Africa) is done by American companies. No way to tinker with trade with out fucking them over.

Among many other cheats not to mention atrocities....

True...he is bringing this issue into the public eye, gotta start somewhere. Now we just need some L & R favorite documentary makers to do some exposes and hopefully a movement is born.

Most of those cheats seem to ultimately boil down to a lack of standards. A lot of that stuff happened in the US before we started seriously attacking big business. I would work on that. I'm not and don't think we should be against China. The goal shouldn't be to hurt them but rather to lift them up. I would start by setting some kind of minimum safety standards and if you don't meet 'x' criteria you can't ship to the US and get the EU on board. Honestly it seems like the kind of thing those (mostly) yuppie social crusaders would leap at.

I don't think the answer is to further punish/penalize American companies.....we have been doing that as hard as we can and all it's done is drive more of them further away.

At some point they all leave and rebuild. But you could start by setting various laws making it more difficult to leave. While he's not a company Rush Limbaugh comes to mind. Back when he was still widely syndicated he took great pleasure in admitting that New York was his biggest market but he broadcast from South Florida specifically to avoid paying taxes to the very market that made him. Fuck that. You want access to this market you pay taxes here. Fucking end of story. No more opening an office in Fiji and parking all the bratty kids their to call it an "office" and claiming all the RnD comes out of that place either. It's not punishment, the reality is they are punishing us for not being smarter.

I think the answer is to call China on their bullshit, tell them openly and point blank to cut the bullshit cheating and clean up their act IMMEDIATELY. At a bare fucking minimum the currency manipulation and gross human rights violations/slave labor have to stop time fucking now, and don't even offer it as a debate/negotiation. Stop or it's hitting the fuckin' fan....you have 24 hrs to comply, resistance is futile.

I'd worry about human rights some other day to be honest. And give them time. Everything takes time and cutting them off over night would disrupt us pretty hard too. I mean we might recover but. . .ouch!

But back to the cash being king rule...our government is more responsible to the big bux who made ultra bux buying slave labor from china to destroy American competition. China is going to buy our economy out from under us using slave labor and poisoning the planet wholesale and there is little to nothing that will be done about it.

Oh they very well might given enough time. The way I'm seeing the world they aren't going to have the time to do that. We'll have different problems by the time they are in position to make a move.

 

[Rachaelxx]

Interesting idea, but that could end up costing jobs. Scratch that. It WOULD end up costing jobs and quality of products would diminish. When the government regulates companies business plans tend to shape shift.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Interesting idea, but that could end up costing jobs. Scratch that. It WOULD end up costing jobs and quality of products would diminish. When the government regulates companies business plans tend to shape shift.

Popular myth but there is little if any evidence to support it. Based on past evidence I'll happily take the chance.

 

[Rachaelxx]

My indistry (financial service) is heavily regulated here in the US and in Europe and guess what happens...every time some financial regulation is imposed that causes loss we find a way to make it up elsewhere.

What do you think happens with oil, trade embargos etc? All business big and small have the same goal. Increase profits, decrease costs.

Popular myth but there is little if any evidence to support it. Based on past evidence I'll happily take the chance.

 

[Sean Renaud]

My indistry (financial service) is heavily regulated here in the US and in Europe and guess what happens...every time some financial regulation is imposed that causes loss we find a way to make it up elsewhere.

What do you think happens with oil, trade embargos etc? All business big and small have the same goal. Increase profits, decrease costs.

Of course you find away around it, that's what you're supposed to do. And the rest of us are better off. That's kind of the plan.

What do I think happens with various embargos? Entire countries suffer because there aren't a lot of great ways around it. You can try as you might and get buy but you're certainly not as well off as you were sans embargo.

 

[Rachaelxx]

We find away around it and the consumer still pays the same amount...or more.

Of course you find away around it, that's what you're supposed to do. And the rest of us are better off. That's kind of the plan.

What do I think happens with various embargos? Entire countries suffer because there aren't a lot of great ways around it. You can try as you might and get buy but you're certainly not as well off as you were sans embargo.

 

[Sean Renaud]

We find away around it and the consumer still pays the same amount...or more.

If they pay more then you were bad at your job in the first place.

 

[PoppingTom]

Of course you find away around it, that's what you're supposed to do. And the rest of us are better off. That's kind of the plan.

It would work if minimum wage works everywhere, not only at the big players.

All they have to do is creating multiple personal leasing firms (or using existing ones), firing their employees and take them back via those firms, and ensure none of those firms exceed the 1 billion.

Minimum wage is good. It killed the low quality working price pushers here. Parting it only aggravates the situation for the workers.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

How about the minimum wage is raised to $12.00 an hour, but only for companies that have gross revenues over $1billion?

how special of you, to strive for a min wage job


you are special

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Popular myth but there is little if any evidence to support it. Based on past evidence I'll happily take the chance.

that's because you have no skin in the game. you sit on the sideline and only want welfare

therefor you are a loser

 

[Busybody]

How about the minimum wage is raised to $12.00 an hour, but only for companies that have gross revenues over $1billion?

if those earning min wage are unhappy

why don't they get a BETTER HIGHER PAYING job?

or have a career as an actor, sports personality, rock/rap star and earn millions?

can you answer the question?

 

[Busybody]

Minimum Wage Hike Devastates the Poor in Oakland, California
Posted on April 12, 2015 by Steven Ahle
Oakland2
Going Out of Business

The minimum wage law voted in for Oakland and San Francisco is having a major impact on the poor as the liberals have promised it would. Businesses are closing, cutting hours and raising prices to cover the costs, meaning the poor that have lost their jobs can no longer afford what they used to. Under the law, the current minimum wage is now $12.25 and will rise to $15.00 in 2018.

A survey of 223 small businesses proved to be profoundly troubling. The liberals claimed that the rise in the minimum wage would make the lives of the poor better:

“Drawing on a variety of government data sources, we estimate that 140,000 workers would benefit from the proposed minimum wage law, with the average worker earning an additional $2,800 a year (once the law is fully implemented). Our analysis of the existing economic research literature suggests that businesses will adjust to modest increases in operating costs mainly through reduced employee turnover costs, improved work performance, and a small, one-time increase in restaurant prices.”

Here is the harsh reality:

Only 163 of the 223 companies were able to figure how much the wage hike cost them. About half saw their labor costs increase 10% or more. Approximately 25% saw their labor costs increase by 20% or more. Many companies have cut hours, reduced their staffing levels and raised their prices, while cancelling any expansion plans. (Open up, Texas, more refugees will be coming from California)

The report also found that some businesses have closed or are planning to close:

“Of the businesses surveyed here, roughly one in 10 said it was ‘very likely’ to close, with another 18 percent ‘somewhat likely’ to close.”

And of the businesses that plan to stay open, other methods are being used to cut costs:

“Thirty percent of the surveyed businesses reduced their employees’ hours or their hours of operation to offset the costs. Seventeen percent, or roughly one in six surveyed businesses, laid off employees or otherwise reduced staffing levels to adapt to the higher costs.”

The new law will mean that high school students looking for summer jobs and unskilled young men and women out of high school will be the hardest hit. There will be no jobs for them to go to. Businesses that must pay $12.25 an hour will hire experienced workers only. You can’t get that experience unless you can get a job. And all the things they couldn’t afford before will have gotten much more expensive.

If this keeps up, when the big one hits and a chunk of California falls into the ocean, there may not be any casualties, because they will have all moved.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Minimum Wage Hike Devastates the Poor in Oakland, California
Posted on April 12, 2015 by Steven Ahle
Oakland2
Going Out of Business

The minimum wage law voted in for Oakland and San Francisco is having a major impact on the poor as the liberals have promised it would. Businesses are closing,

Nobody said gentrification was an easy/pleasant thing. Mo' money has been pushing poor folks out of Oakland for the past few years rather hard.

But if you suck you gotta get the fuck out of the bay.....and if you don't suck you set your business up in the bay/LA with minions to run it and you move a few hours east/north.

My minions are all living in SF/Daily city/Oakland/Pacifica/Novato....I was already paying them 20-30/hr.....you HAVE to, cost of doing bidnizz in the bay man. Sorry republicans suck to much to understand that in a place where a studio apartment will cost you 3,000/month MINIMUM for a SHIT HOLE, not even 15/hr is going to cut it. That barely covers the cost of the food they eat....

 

[Sean Renaud]

It would work if minimum wage works everywhere, not only at the big players.

All they have to do is creating multiple personal leasing firms (or using existing ones), firing their employees and take them back via those firms, and ensure none of those firms exceed the 1 billion.

Minimum wage is good. It killed the low quality working price pushers here. Parting it only aggravates the situation for the workers.

For starters minimum wage does work everywhere but it's past time we stopped pretending that the big players are in the same game as the little players. They simply aren't.

While I'm confident there would be ways to find out that you're playing your silly games if you're willing to go through all that I suspect the costs of maintaining separate offices will catch up with you and if not we move on to the next plan.

If we don't raise the minumum wage then we have to find some other government solution because what's going on simply isn't working and the market is not going to fix this.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

if those earning min wage are unhappy

why don't they get a BETTER HIGHER PAYING job?

or have a career as an actor, sports personality, rock/rap star and earn millions?

can you answer the question?

because, those like Izzy, SeanR, KingofAssTards really don't want jobs. these retards want others to pay more in taxes to support their lazy ways

and how dare you say something to crazy, making 'it' the person's responsibility to find a better job. that is just crazy!

 

[PoppingTom]

For starters minimum wage does work everywhere but it's past time we stopped pretending that the big players are in the same game as the little players. They simply aren't.

I would be surprised if in America, you don't need to regulate minimum wage for small enterprises, while in Germany, it simply won't work. 6 years ago, electricians got a wage around 6 or 7 Euro - even lower than in the beginning of the 90's. And we're talking about skilled workers! And neither a lack of these workers nor a goverment force of educating new electricians that only applied to companies with more than 35 employees changed anything about it. Without minimum wage (now between 9 and 10 Euro), they would still get the same like 1991.

I don't say, you shouldn't regulate the big players. But keep the loopholes unattractive.

 

[Sean Renaud]

While I don't truly buy it the theory is that if you hold small businesses to any standard they won't be able to make it. Walmart paying 12.00 an hour would ultimately be an annoyance for them but it wouldn't break the bank. The Mom and Pops Emporium over on fifth would be crushed. The people who think that generally fail math forever but that's beside the point at the moment.

Honestly we're just going to deal with this until the little guy finally gets pissed and hopefully I'm at a safe distance.

 

[Busybody]

How about the minimum wage is raised to $12.00 an hour, but only for companies that have gross revenues over $1billion?

how hard can it be to answer?

if those earning min wage are unhappy

why don't they get a BETTER HIGHER PAYING job?

or have a career as an actor, sports personality, rock/rap star and earn millions?

can you answer the question?

 

[PoppingTom]

While I don't truly buy it the theory is that if you hold small businesses to any standard they won't be able to make it.

If everybody has to do it, it works, except for the price breakers.

Walmart paying 12.00 an hour would ultimately be an annoyance for them but it wouldn't break the bank.

The ordinary way of regulating big companies like this is simply in supporting unions.

I don't know why it doesn't work in America, here it works perfectly.