These Are The People Who Want To Control Our Health Care

[unregistered]

 

[phrodeau]

Aren't you controlling your own health care? What's the matter with you?

 

[Disgustipated]

Aren't you controlling your own health care? What's the matter with you?

Of course he is! Medi-Care lets you pick your coroner.

 

[BotanyBoy]

IG Audit: 6.5 Million People With Active Social Security Numbers Are 112 or Older
March 9, 2015 - 10:39 AM

(CNSNews.com) - Many people are living longer, but not to age 112 or beyond -- except in the records of the Social Security Administration.

The SSA's inspector general has identified 6.5 million number-holders age 112 -- or older -- for whom no death date has been entered in the main electronic file, called Numident.

The audit, dated March 4, 2015, concluded that SSA lacks the controls necessary to annote death information on the records of number-holders who exceed "maximum reasonable life expectancies."

"We obtained Numident data that identified approximately 6.5 million numberholders born before June 16, 1901 who did not have a date of death on their record," the report states.

Some of the numbers assigned to long-dead people were used fraudulently to open bank accounts.

And thousands of those numbers apparently were used by illegal immigrants to apply for work:

"During Calendar Years 2008 through 2011, SSA received 4,024 E-Verify inquiries using the SSNs of 3,873 numberholders born before June 16, 1901," the report said. "These inquiries indicate individuals' attempts to use the SSNs to apply for work."

“It is incredible that the Social Security Administration in 2015 does not have the technical sophistication to ensure that people they know to be deceased are actually noted as dead,” said Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

“Tens of thousands of these numbers are currently being used to report wages to the Social Security Administration and to the IRS. People are fraudulently, but successfully, applying for jobs and benefits with these numbers. Making sure Social Security cleans up its death master file to prevent future errors and fraud is a good government reform we can all agree on,” Johnson said.

The rest of article here:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...tive-social-security-numbers-are-112-or-older

And yet by all measures they should and have a really high probability of doing a better job for less than the private sector.

So yea....as less than perfect as it is they are better than the "Fuck you die in the street bitch." option you champion.

 

[KingOrfeo]

There is a way to stop this: A national ID card keyed to a database with copies of all documents relating to a person's interactions with government, from birth certificate to death certificate, collected and indexed by SSN.

But does anybody really want to go there?

 

[phrodeau]

This blatant collection of FICA revenues from employed illegals has got to stop!

 

[possum123]

There isn't a single politician who wants to clean up the SSA.
There is a special account set up that includes any money sent in by fake SS numbers, SS numbers used by more than one person, SS numbers of people who have dies, any questionable SS number including those of illegals.
The amount of money in this special account is supposed to be in the trillions $.
For many years now the people cannot find out how much money is in the account.
Anyone think there is actually money in this account or just a bunch of worthless IOUs?
Why would any politician kill the goose who continues to lay the golden eggs?

 

[RobDownSouth]

There isn't a single politician who wants to clean up the SSA.
There is a special account set up that includes any money sent in by fake SS numbers, SS numbers used by more than one person, SS numbers of people who have dies, any questionable SS number including those of illegals.
The amount of money in this special account is supposed to be in the trillions $.
For many years now the people cannot find out how much money is in the account.
Anyone think there is actually money in this account or just a bunch of worthless IOUs?
Why would any politician kill the goose who continues to lay the golden eggs?

#TinfoilHats
#BlackHelicopters
#Chemtrails
#TehILLUMINATI

 

[CandiCame]

There is a way to stop this: A national ID card keyed to a database with copies of all documents relating to a person's interactions with government, from birth certificate to death certificate, collected and indexed by SSN.

But does anybody really want to go there?

I genuinely, genuinely thought that we already did that. I'm super not comfortable that we don't. Are you telling me that we don't have any kind of government database? I mean, I can understand that we have one- and that it's fucked up to the point of uselessness, but I can't believe that we don't have one at all. I don't believe you.

If we didn't have a database like that, there would be an epidemic of identity theft. Not in the way that we have now where it's financial, but in the way that anybody in, say, the medical field, or my line of work, where they have you ID info (social security, driver's license, etc) could literally just steal your life because the government wouldn't know what was out of the ordinary. Like fucking Shawshank redemption where you could literally just make people up. That's not a documentary, right? Stephen King wasn't channeling some king of social commentary- that's a little beyond his abilities, isn't it?

I mean, if there wasn't a database, then why is it if I put in a social wrong, or a social that's already been claimed, it gets kicked back by the government? That wouldn't happen if that database didn't exist. Both parents could claim the same dependent. And you can't do that- because the database kicks it back. If it didn't exist, then when you scanned the back of your driver's license, the bar code on it, wouldn't that lead to... literally nothing?

I don't understand what you're talking about.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I genuinely, genuinely thought that we already did that. I'm super not comfortable that we don't. Are you telling me that we don't have any kind of government database? I mean, I can understand that we have one- and that it's fucked up to the point of uselessness, but I can't believe that we don't have one at all. I don't believe you.

There are a lot of government databases for various purposes -- the SSA has its file on your earnings history, the Department of Motor Vehicles has your driver's license info, the relevant local department has your birth certificate (and a relevant local department will one day have your death certificate), the school system has your school records (such as are retained after graduation), the Selective Service has your draft registration if applicable, the Department of Corrections has your prison record if any, the IRS has your federal tax records, the county tax collector or property appraiser has your property-tax records, the county courthouse has recorded deeds of any property you own in the county, the relevant state office has your welfare and unemployment records if applicable, law-enforcement agencies have your arrest records and any outstanding arrest warrants if applicable, and if you're a non-citizen who entered on a visa there's some record of that somewhere -- but there is no master database cross-indexing them all, so that one might call up all that information and all those documents with a few mouseclicks.

So far as the public knows, that is.

 

[KingOrfeo]

There is a special account set up that includes any money sent in by fake SS numbers, SS numbers used by more than one person, SS numbers of people who have dies, any questionable SS number including those of illegals.
The amount of money in this special account is supposed to be in the trillions $.
For many years now the people cannot find out how much money is in the account.

Cite?

 

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[CandiCame]

There are a lot of government databases for various purposes -- the SSA has its file on your earnings history, the Department of Motor Vehicles has your driver's license info, the relevant local department has your birth certificate (and will one day have your death certificate), the school system has your school records (such as are retained after graduation), the Selective Service has your draft registration if applicable, the Department of Corrections has your prison record if any, the IRS has your federal tax records, the county tax collector or property appraiser has you property-tax records, the courthouse has recorded deeds of any property you own, the relevant state office has your welfare and unemployment records if applicable, and if you're a non-citizen who entered on a visa there's some record of that somewhere -- but there is no master database cross-indexing them all, so that one might call up all that information and all those documents with a few mouseclicks.

So far as the public knows, that is.

I'm just super skeptical of this claim. It really seems like there should be a master database. For example, I know that the court system and the IRS cross-check because of the custody thing I mentioned earlier where the custodial parent is the one who can claim the dependent and the other parent can go fuck themselves. Normally /him/self because, you know, sexist "family first" court system.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I'm just super skeptical of this claim. It really seems like there should be a master database. For example, I know that the court system and the IRS cross-check because of the custody thing I mentioned earlier where the custodial parent is the one who can claim the dependent and the other parent can go fuck themselves. Normally /him/self because, you know, sexist "family first" court system.

Oh, officials do cross-checks all the time, they know about all the other agencies' databases and have ways of accessing them; if you get pulled over, the officer will put your driver's license into his dash-computer and will know immediately whether you have a warrant out for your arrest, even if it is in another state. But, again, there is no one master database AFAIK, and there are limits. E.g., that officer probably will not know if you are an immigrant who has overstayed his visa.

 

[phrodeau]

Oh, officials do cross-checks all the time, they know about all the other agencies' databases and have ways of accessing them; if you get pulled over, the officer will put your driver's license into his dash-computer and will know immediately whether you have a warrant out for your arrest, perhaps even if it is in another state. But, again, there is no one master database AFAIK, and there are limits. E.g., that officer probably will not know if you are an immigrant who has overstayed his visa.

The police officer has no business accessing your school grades or property ownership records, for example. He can only base his decision to issue a citation on what he personally witnesses, like the color of your skin.

 

[CandiCame]

The police officer has no business accessing your school grades or property ownership records, for example. He can only base his decision to issue a citation on what he personally witnesses, like the color of your skin.

Again, you can totally get pulled over and arrested for truancy. I've seen it happen.

If such a database doesn't exist, it /should/. It would streamline what you people are describing, which sounds like a clusterfuck.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Like the quote above demonstrates, you have a monumental learning disability.

If the private sector was so awesome then how come so many millions of Americans resort to ER socialized Reagancare??? Which you championed numerous times as the greatest HC system in the world......

Further more how come NO ONE else is using such a backwards and retarded fucking HC system?

Can you do anything but blow hot air and talk shit like a typical GOP mouthpiece does when required to think????

Let me guess..."BUTT....BUTT...WEED!! AND OBAMA IS COMMIE NAZI!!" LOL

 

[KingOrfeo]

Again, you can totally get pulled over and arrested for truancy. I've seen it happen.

If such a database doesn't exist, it /should/. It would streamline what you people are describing, which sounds like a clusterfuck.

"I hope you know that this will go down in you permanent record."

It will!

Frankly, the prospect of living in that world gives a lot of Americans a case of the creeping Orwells.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The police officer has no business accessing your school grades or property ownership records, for example. He can only base his decision to issue a citation on what he personally witnesses, like the color of your skin.

That's a load....even when I was in school if you got pinched skipping? That cop got on the comp and ask why you weren't in history 1301 RM:208 @ 1:15pm?? Mr.Smith and your parents will be glad to know where you are....

I can't imagine how it is for kids today....prob got RFID chips in the poor bastards. She we all would if (D) had it's way.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

anyone with intelligence knows that government is the last place Health care should reside


however the obama assmonkey slaves only want 'free' and could give a shit about anything else as they are willing to sell out his or her future to be an obama slave

 

[phrodeau]

The police officer has no business accessing your school grades or property ownership records, for example. He can only base his decision to issue a citation on what he personally witnesses, like the color of your skin.

Again, you can totally get pulled over and arrested for truancy. I've seen it happen.

If such a database doesn't exist, it /should/. It would streamline what you people are describing, which sounds like a clusterfuck.

That's a load....even when I was in school if you got pinched skipping? That cop got on the comp and ask why you weren't in history 1301 RM:208 @ 1:15pm?? Mr.Smith and your parents will be glad to know where you are....

I can't imagine how it is for kids today....prob got RFID chips in the poor bastards. She we all would if (D) had it's way.

Do you guys not understand what "grades" means?

 

[Que]

The police officer has no business accessing your school grades or property ownership records, for example. He can only base his decision to issue a citation on what he personally witnesses, like the color of your skin.

A) where is that codified? They use all information available to them from any source they can find it including going through your garbage. They illegally gather call information from roving cell tower decoys.. They maintain logs of where you travel to and from and when with license plate readers. They know a lot about you. The only reason it does not feel as intrusive as it is to the average citizen is there are a lot of us, and few of them, so you have to come to their attention specifically before they dig, but when they dig they know more about you than your mother. This does not include the even more intrusive future when every keystroke on any of your devices is available to them through the NSA.

B) Never been subject to scrutiny by cops in a town small enough to know you or you history, I gather.

 

[phrodeau]

A) where is that codified? They use all information available to them from any source they can find it including going through your garbage. They illegally gather call information from roving cell tower decoys.. They maintain logs of where you travel to and from and when with license plate readers. They know a lot about you. The only reason it does not feel as intrusive as it is to the average citizen is there are a lot of us, and few of them, so you have to come to their attention specifically before they dig, but when they dig they know more about you than your mother. This does not include the even more intrusive future when every keystroke on any of your devices is available to them through the NSA.

B) Never been subject to scrutiny by cops in a town small enough to know you or you history, I gather.

Well then, all you tax cheaters better be on the lookout.

I am not going to bother to look at the details and assume it is a good shooting unless and until a grand jury indicts and a jury convicts.