Boehner violates the Logan Act

[BoyNextDoor]

I am so glad the adults are in charge (sic)

 

[JohnnySavage]

But he caved on funding DHS. So... that's something.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

But he caved on funding DHS. So... that's something.

It sure is Mr Johnny. It showed us the 75 RHINOs and the 167 WHACKOs

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Dan Benishek R MI-1
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Susan Brooks R IN-5
Vern Buchanan R FL-16
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Chris Gibson R NY-19
Kay Granger R TX-12
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Steve Stivers R OH-15
Glenn Thompson R PA-5
Pat Tiberi R OH-12
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Michael R. Turner R OH-10
Fred Upton R MI-6
David Valadao R CA-21
Greg Walden R OR-2
Mimi Walters R CA-45
Todd Young R IN-9



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Ralph Abraham R LA-5
Robert B. Aderholt R AL-4
Rick Allen R GA-12
Justin Amash R MI-3
Mark Amodei R NV-2
Brian Babin R TX-36
Lou Barletta R PA-11
Andy Barr R KY-6
Joe L. Barton R TX-6
Gus Bilirakis R FL-12
Rob Bishop R UT-1
Diane Black R TN-6
Marsha Blackburn R TN-7
Rod Blum R IA-1
Charles Boustany Jr. R LA-3
Kevin Brady R TX-8
David A. Brat R VA-7
Jim Bridenstine R OK-1
Mo Brooks R AL-5
Ken Buck R CO-4
Larry Bucshon R IN-8
Michael C. Burgess R TX-26
Bradley Byrne R AL-1
Buddy Carter R GA-1
Steven J. Chabot R OH-1
Jason Chaffetz R UT-3
Curt Clawson R FL-19
Doug Collins R GA-9
K. Michael Conaway R TX-11
Paul Cook R CA-8
Kevin Cramer R ND-1
Rick Crawford R AR-1
Ander Crenshaw R FL-4
John Culberson R TX-7
Ron DeSantis R FL-6
Scott DesJarlais R TN-4
Sean Duffy R WI-7
Jeffrey Duncan R SC-3
John J. Duncan Jr. R TN-2
Blake Farenthold R TX-27
Stephen Fincher R TN-8
Chuck Fleischmann R TN-3
John Fleming R LA-4
Bill Flores R TX-17
J. Randy Forbes R VA-4
Jeff Fortenberry R NE-1
Virginia Foxx R NC-5
Trent Franks R AZ-8
Scott Garrett R NJ-5
Bob Gibbs R OH-7
Louie Gohmert R TX-1
Robert W. Goodlatte R VA-6
Paul Gosar R AZ-4
Trey Gowdy R SC-4
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Sam Graves R MO-6
Tom Graves R GA-14
Morgan Griffith R VA-9
Glenn Grothman R WI-6
Brett Guthrie R KY-2
Gregg Harper R MS-3
Andy Harris R MD-1
Vicky Hartzler R MO-4
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Jaime Herrera Beutler R WA-3
Jody Hice R GA-10
French Hill R AR-2
George Holding R NC-13
Richard Hudson R NC-8
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Bill Huizenga R MI-2
Randy Hultgren R IL-14
Duncan D. Hunter R CA-50
Robert Hurt R VA-5
Darrell Issa R CA-49
Evan Jenkins R WV-3
Lynn Jenkins R KS-2
Bill Johnson R OH-6
Sam Johnson R TX-3
Walter B. Jones R NC-3
Jim Jordan R OH-4
Dave Joyce R OH-14
Mike Kelly R PA-3
Steve King R IA-4
Doug LaMalfa R CA-1
Raul Labrador R ID-1
Doug Lamborn R CO-5
Robert E. Latta R OH-5
Barry Loudermilk R GA-11
Mia Love R UT-4
Frank D. Lucas R OK-3
Blaine Luetkemeyer R MO-3
Cynthia M. Lummis R WY-1
Kenny Marchant R TX-24
Tom Marino R PA-10
Thomas Massie R KY-4
Tom McClintock R CA-4
David McKinley R WV-1
Mark Meadows R NC-11
Luke Messer R IN-6
John L. Mica R FL-7
Jeff Miller R FL-1
Alex Mooney R WV-2
Markwayne Mullin R OK-2
Mick Mulvaney R SC-5
Randy Neugebauer R TX-19
Dan Newhouse R WA-4
Richard Nugent R FL-11
Pete Olson R TX-22
Steven Palazzo R MS-4
Gary Palmer R AL-6
Steve Pearce R NM-2
Scott Perry R PA-4
Ted Poe R TX-2
Mike Pompeo R KS-4
Bill Posey R FL-8
Tom Price R GA-6
John Ratcliffe R TX-4
Tom Reed R NY-23
Jim Renacci R OH-16
Reid Ribble R WI-8
Tom Rice R SC-7
Scott Rigell R VA-2
Martha Roby R AL-2
Mike D. Rogers R AL-3
Dana Rohrabacher R CA-48
Todd Rokita R IN-4
Tom Rooney R FL-17
Peter Roskam R IL-6
Dennis Ross R FL-15
Keith Rothfus R PA-12
David Rouzer R NC-7
Steve Russell R OK-5
Matt Salmon R AZ-5
Mark Sanford R SC-1
David Schweikert R AZ-6
Austin Scott R GA-8
F. James Sensenbrenner R WI-5
Pete Sessions R TX-32
Bill Shuster R PA-9
Adrian Smith R NE-3
Lamar Smith R TX-21
Chris Stewart R UT-2
Marlin Stutzman R IN-3
William M. Thornberry R TX-13
Scott Tipton R CO-3
Ann Wagner R MO-2
Tim Walberg R MI-7
Mark Walker R NC-6
Jackie Walorski R IN-2
Randy Weber R TX-14
Daniel Webster R FL-10
Brad Wenstrup R OH-2
Bruce Westerman R AR-4
Lynn Westmoreland R GA-3
Edward Whitfield R KY-1
Roger Williams R TX-25
Joe Wilson R SC-2
Robert J. Wittman R VA-1
Steve Womack R AR-3
Rob Woodall R GA-7
Kevin Yoder R KS-3
Ted Yoho R FL-3
David Young R IA-3
Don Young R AK-1
Lee Zeldin R NY-1
Ryan Zinke R MT-1

 

[Boxlicker101]

I very much doubt Boehner or anybody else would ever be charged with violation of The Logan Act. Nobody ever has been convicted of it and it is so broadly written as to very likely be unconstitutional.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Logan+Act

 

[Sean Renaud]

Hypothetically who would Boehner even ask? I mean in the grand scheme of things he's pretty far up the food chain. Jesse Jackson doesn't get to speak for me, he's not an elected official, but I would assume that within reason anybody in Congress would have sufficient legal standing to talk. Obviously not if the President says no but that's more about good form and ettiqutte than anything I would assume was legally binding.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Hypothetically who would Boehner even ask? I mean in the grand scheme of things he's pretty far up the food chain. Jesse Jackson doesn't get to speak for me, he's not an elected official, but I would assume that within reason anybody in Congress would have sufficient legal standing to talk. Obviously not if the President says no but that's more about good form and ettiqutte than anything I would assume was legally binding.

Actually, In order to prosecute Boehner under the Logan Act, there would have to be sufficient proof that he was acting "without authority" when he asked Netanyahu to come and speak to Congress, and that "authority" isn't specified in the law. Although at the time the Logan Act was passed, it was clearly intended to be held in the hands of President John Adams, who was furious that members of Congress were talking to French politicians.
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It could be argued that by inviting Netanyahu to speak to Congress without authority from the executive branch, Speaker Boehner is committing an act of sedition.
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It's also possible that Boehner is in violation of Federal Elections Commission (FEC) law. Section 441e of FEC law makes it illegal for, "a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation" from a foreign national.

In other words, if Speaker Boehner were to accept campaign money from Netanyahu, or use the speech to help raise money for Republicans in any way, he would be guilty of violating FEC law.

Somebody needs to look into this, particularly to see if the hands of any of the Republican billionaires who obsess on Israel issues are involved in this.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Yes, Boehner could have been renewed in the fiery ritual of Carousel! He's finished forever now!

 

[Boxlicker101]

Yes, Boehner could have been renewed in the fiery ritual of Carousel! He's finished forever now!

I would be willing to bet that, barring the unexpected, he is re-elected in 2016 and keeps his speaker position.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Where are the enterprising Democrats who should be trying to make a Logan Act case stick? It is at least as meaningful as Clinton's blow job or suing Obama for doing his job the way the House under Boehner threatened only a few months ago.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Where are the enterprising Democrats who should be trying to make a Logan Act case stick? It is at least as meaningful as Clinton's blow job or suing Obama for doing his job the way the House under Boehner threatened only a few months ago.

That woudl be playing dirty and for reasons I can't comprehend Dems are very reluctant to get down in the mud.

 

[cowslinger64]

Where are the enterprising Democrats who should be trying to make a Logan Act case stick? It is at least as meaningful as Clinton's blow job or suing Obama for doing his job the way the House under Boehner threatened only a few months ago.

That woudl be playing dirty and for reasons I can't comprehend Dems are very reluctant to get down in the mud.

I TOTALLY agree with that.. playing nice has gotten us nowhere with the right. I wouldn't say live in the mud like the gop, but don't be afraid of it either.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Where are the enterprising Democrats who should be trying to make a Logan Act case stick? It is at least as meaningful as Clinton's blow job or suing Obama for doing his job the way the House under Boehner threatened only a few months ago.

Clinton's blow job was no big deal. Lying about it under oath was perjury, a felony, and is what led to his impeachment.

 

[cowslinger64]

Clinton's blow job was no big deal. Lying about it under oath was perjury, a felony, and is what led to his impeachment.

Him being asked about it was the problem. Just more right wing bullshit.


ANd you're completely full of it if you think the blow job was "no big deal"...it mattered to the holier than thous.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Clinton's blow job was no big deal. Lying about it under oath was perjury, a felony, and is what led to his impeachment.

And it shouldn't have, the question should never have been asked in the first place and a married man lying about getting BJs is not a matter of national anything. It was a trap and he fell for it but. . .I think everybody just didn't think Republicans were actually that immature.

 

[Boxlicker101]

And it shouldn't have, the question should never have been asked in the first place and a married man lying about getting BJs is not a matter of national anything. It was a trap and he fell for it but. . .I think everybody just didn't think Republicans were actually that immature.

I am inclined to partly agree with you. I don't consider it to have been a trap, because Paula Jones was accusing him of sexual harassment when he was gov. of AK and she worked for the state. He was asked, under oath, if he had ever had sex, while gov. or Pres. with a subordinate, which was a valid question under the circumstances. He said he had not. Later, when it was proven he had, he was accused and convicted of perjury.

Had I been in the Senate, whatever party, I would have voted for acquittal. I would not consider perjury about such a personal matter to rise to the level of "High crimes and misdemeanors."

I seriously doubt anybody on this site would seriously disagree with me. People who might feel strongly about "sexual immorality" would not come to Literotica.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I am inclined to partly agree with you. I don't consider it to have been a trap, because Paula Jones was accusing him of sexual harassment when he was gov. of AK and she worked for the state. He was asked, under oath, if he had ever had sex, while gov. or Pres. with a subordinate, which was a valid question under the circumstances. He said he had not. Later, when it was proven he had, he was accused and convicted of perjury.

Had I been in the Senate, whatever party, I would have voted for acquittal. I would not consider perjury about such a personal matter to rise to the level of "High crimes and misdemeanors."

I seriously doubt anybody on this site would seriously disagree with me. People who might feel strongly about "sexual immorality" would not come to Literotica.

I would have voted for acquittal as well, but I'd like to think if sane people had been in the Senate it would never have gotten that far. Like I'm fucking impressed with the Republican response to the VA director being caught in a lie about his service and the response basically boiled down to "Oh, well dont' care back to work."

 

[Boxlicker101]

I would have voted for acquittal as well, but I'd like to think if sane people had been in the Senate it would never have gotten that far. Like I'm fucking impressed with the Republican response to the VA director being caught in a lie about his service and the response basically boiled down to "Oh, well dont' care back to work."

Don't blame the Senate. When the House votes to impeach, the Senate has to go through with the process whether they like it or not. I don't remember the exact result, but I believe a majority of the Senators voted "No."

 

[Sean Renaud]

Don't blame the Senate. When the House votes to impeach, the Senate has to go through with the process whether they like it or not. I don't remember the exact result, but I believe a majority of the Senators voted "No."

Fair enough. Congress as whole.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Clinton's blow job was no big deal. Lying about it under oath was perjury, a felony, and is what led to his impeachment.

It must have been a hell of a blow job because it also lead to unprecedented prosperity for the American middle class and federal budget surpluses. There would have been a longer and more sustained Pax Americana and a longer time of prosperity if the douchebags like Gingrich and Armey and the Heritage Foundation acolytes would have been the loyal opposition and not the troll puppets of the Christian Coalition.

So fuck you and your cunt masters for their sabotage and sedition in the name of greed. When you learn to think for yourself post in one of my threads again, boxpuppet.

 

[Boxlicker101]

It must have been a hell of a blow job because it also lead to unprecedented prosperity for the American middle class and federal budget surpluses. There would have been a longer and more sustained Pax Americana and a longer time of prosperity if the douchebags like Gingrich and Armey and the Heritage Foundation acolytes would have been the loyal opposition and not the troll puppets of the Christian Coalition.

So fuck you and your cunt masters for their sabotage and sedition in the name of greed. When you learn to think for yourself post in one of my threads again, boxpuppet.

Even you have to know the reason for the prosperity during that period was the dotcom boom. Neither politicians nor the Christian Coalition had anything to do with it. FWIW, the boom went bust in the summer of 2000, during the Clinton years. I was working in Silicon Valley at the time, so I had a front row seat.

 

[Que]

Even you have to know the reason for the prosperity during that period was the dotcom boom. Neither politicians nor the Christian Coalition had anything to do with it. FWIW, the boom went bust in the summer of 2000, during the Clinton years. I was working in Silicon Valley at the time, so I had a front row seat.

Not to mention the balanced budget and welfare reform were both "Contract With America" items from the 1994 Republican controlled congress led by Gingrich. Both Clinton threatened to veto. He did veto welfare reform twice before his arm was twisted and he had no choice but to sign or lose face with it being over-ridden.

Both are considered "his" signature achievements.

As you say without the higher tax revenue from the phone dot-com bubble (brought to you then just as today's stock market bubble by Federal Reserve policies of cheap and easy money) the budget would not have even close to balanced.

 

[Paendragon]

It seems kind of flimsy to me. But so did Boehner's threatened lawsuit, so what do I know?

 

[Paendragon]

Don't blame the Senate. When the House votes to impeach, the Senate has to go through with the process whether they like it or not. I don't remember the exact result, but I believe a majority of the Senators voted "No."

Barely. The obstruction of justice vote was 50-50 (5 Republicans crossed over) and the perjury vote was 55-45 (ten Republicans crossed over). Still, it did basically get George W. Bush elected so it ended up being a win for Republicans.

 

[JohnnySavage]

It must have been a hell of a blow job because it also lead to unprecedented prosperity for the American middle class and federal budget surpluses. There would have been a longer and more sustained Pax Americana and a longer time of prosperity if the douchebags like Gingrich and Armey and the Heritage Foundation acolytes would have been the loyal opposition and not the troll puppets of the Christian Coalition.

So fuck you and your cunt masters for their sabotage and sedition in the name of greed. When you learn to think for yourself post in one of my threads again, boxpuppet.

If there was a budget surplus, why didn't the debt go down