Obama Vetos Keystone Pipeline Bill

[KingOrfeo]

Dig deeper.

. . . OK, I dug deeper, I can now see . . . isn't that the Great Wall of China down there? . . . but I still can't see any future where the U.S. exports fossil fuels to Mexico, nor where the Keystone Pipeline plays any role in that.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

kingofAssTards needs him some more welfare

 

[mark_j]

So what is the real objection here?

Environmental?
Politics?

What is it exactly?

Seems to me that if one wants to move large quantities of oil, a pipeline is the safest most efficient way to do it.

 

[KingOrfeo]

So what is the real objection here?

Environmental?

Environmental.

Different environmental groups, citizens, and politicians have raised concerns about the potential negative impacts of the Keystone XL project.[64] The main issues are the risk of oil spills along the pipeline, which would traverse highly sensitive terrain, and 17% higher greenhouse gas emissions from the extraction of oil sands compared to extraction of conventional oil.[65][66]

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I'm pretty sure you can't afford a car.

since you have a free obama iphone, maybe cuckold obama will give you a iCar?

Environmental.

 

[mark_j]

Environmental.

And how many train wrecks have they had recently? How many spills/leaks along the trans alaska pipeline?

 

[miles]

So what is the real objection here?

Environmental?
Politics?

What is it exactly?

Seems to me that if one wants to move large quantities of oil, a pipeline is the safest most efficient way to do it.

The objection is The Fraud kissing environmentalists' asses. Plus it would create jobs, and he would never do anything to help Americans.

 

[Que]

Going all in when public opinion and common sense are all against him and the veto over-ride is 4 votes away is a bold choice.

These votes were mostly there when Harry Reid and Obama were pointing fingers at The House. Now that the Republicans are in control, it is evident to all but the 19% Obama acolytes who the obstructionists actually are.

 

[phrodeau]

And how many train wrecks have they had recently? How many spills/leaks along the trans alaska pipeline?

The train companies own the land that train spills land on.

Guess who owns the land that oil spills land on?

 

[dan_c00000]

how long have you been a slave?

clearly, you want to get more oil from ISIS

fucking retard

How are your books selling? Are you still pretending to be a girl on the internet?

Here's where the U.S. get its oil from. There's about a less than 3% difference between the Middle East and Africa.

http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/04/gr-oilprod-300.gif

 

[mark_j]

The train companies own the land that train spills land on.

Guess who owns the land that oil spills land on?

Guess who owns the land next to the railroad.

The question is what is the safest most effiecient way to transport.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Going all in when public opinion and common sense are all against him and the veto over-ride is 4 votes away is a bold choice.

These votes were mostly there when Harry Reid and Obama were pointing fingers at The House. Now that the Republicans are in control, it is evident to all but the 19% Obama acolytes who the obstructionists actually are.

And he never does anything bold so god for him. This was the right call, the only call.

Guess who owns the land next to the railroad.

The question is what is the safest most effiecient way to transport.

In this case safe is a bit of a misnomer however. The proposed route was going over the Ogawalla Aquifer which produced a lot of our water in and around Nebraska. If that water gets contaminated, we're fucking done. That's all there is too it.

So do you walk THROUGH a school with a live grenade because you're less likely to drop it on the smooth pavement, or do you hike through the country side even though there are bears and shit and you might get ate, and drop the grenade. . .but not on little Suzy.

 

[Que]

Why is doing something that is going to cause more spills (than a pipeline) on American shores and land, and add to carbon consumption by shipping it farther to China "the right thing?

When the boom from fracking ends around 2024, shall we invade a mid east country to insure we are not interrupted in our supply?

Or do you think we may have solar and wind powered cars by then?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Why is doing something that is going to cause more spills (than a pipeline) on American shores and land, and add to carbon consumption by shipping it farther to China "the right thing?

When the boom from fracking ends around 2024, shall we invade a mid east country to insure we are not interrupted in our supply?

Or do you think we may have solar and wind powered cars by then?

Because water>oil. I don't think anybody is against pipelines by the by, they are against this pipeline and with solid reasons. We can ship this oil to the east coast (along with the rest of the Tar Sands) or we can build a branch off of that that avoids Nebraska.

For the record we all know it's never going to China, they are bluffing.

We have solar and wind powered cars NOW idiot. Tesla makes them. What you mean to ask is if we'll be sufficiently off coal and other stuff by then and probably not.

 

[Que]

Because water>oil. I don't think anybody is against pipelines by the by, they are against this pipeline and with solid reasons. We can ship this oil to the east coast (along with the rest of the Tar Sands) or we can build a branch off of that that avoids Nebraska.

For the record we all know it's never going to China, they are bluffing.

We have solar and wind powered cars NOW idiot. Tesla makes them. What you mean to ask is if we'll be sufficiently off coal and other stuff by then and probably not.

Coal is off the table. Nukes will never be approved. We do not have enough electricity generation capability to power our fleet with electric cars.

Oils spills by tanker, truck and rail (which is how it is being shipped now) will spill in random places much more likely to contaminate groundwater than a monitored pipeline.

It was always a red herring. Those that do not want it (the few that do not) do so on the basis that making oil continue to be affordable and available goes against their hypothetical market forces (through HIGH prices) forcing us to move closer to jobs, into high rises, into cities, avoiding urban sprawl and so on.

None of it is because they are actually worried about the environment hazard of an oil spill. It is LESS likely to occur by pipe than any other method. Period.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Coal is off the table. Nukes will never be approved. We do not have enough electricity generation capability to power our fleet with electric cars.

Oils spills by tanker, truck and rail (which is how it is being shipped now) will spill in random places much more likely to contaminate groundwater than a monitored pipeline.

It was always a red herring. Those that do not want it (the few that do not) do so on the basis that making oil continue to be affordable and available goes against their hypothetical market forces (through HIGH prices) forcing us to move closer to jobs, into high rises, into cities, avoiding urban sprawl and so on.

None of it is because they are actually worried about the environment hazard of an oil spill. It is LESS likely to occur by pipe than any other method. Period.

Coal is around now, nuclear can get approved, just do what I've said for years. Fuck states rights. Sorry Arizona, Sorry Nevada, I'm sure there are some empty states back east too. Fuck you. It sucks but you drew the short straw.

I'd rather spills everyday over minor water tables than one big one over one that matters.

I don't care much about oil prices, I assume we are going to hit peak oil and thanks to guys like you it's gonna be a brick wall and I might as well just prepare my "I told you so" speech because nothing is going to fix it.

Yes I am terrified about the idea of an oil spill over the largest aquifer in the nation if you're not you're out of your mind.

Like I said this is like asking do you take your beaker of Nitroglycerine through a school yard filled with children or do you go hiking through the mountains with it. You'll drop 6/10 hiking and .5/10 through the school. But you'll hit the little kids in the school.

Sorry. Water>Oil. Period.

 

[Que]

Coal is around now, nuclear can get approved, just do what I've said for years. Fuck states rights. Sorry Arizona, Sorry Nevada, I'm sure there are some empty states back east too. Fuck you. It sucks but you drew the short straw.

I'd rather spills everyday over minor water tables than one big one over one that matters.

I don't care much about oil prices, I assume we are going to hit peak oil and thanks to guys like you it's gonna be a brick wall and I might as well just prepare my "I told you so" speech because nothing is going to fix it.

Yes I am terrified about the idea of an oil spill over the largest aquifer in the nation if you're not you're out of your mind.

Like I said this is like asking do you take your beaker of Nitroglycerine through a school yard filled with children or do you go hiking through the mountains with it. You'll drop 6/10 hiking and .5/10 through the school. But you'll hit the little kids in the school.

Sorry. Water>Oil. Period.

The administration has already more or less outlawed coal. Existing plants are being shut down. New ones are going to be cost prohibitive to build because they will not be able to meet new construction emission standards. To build a nuke tomorrow, you had to have started the application and permitting process in about 1995.

 

[cowslinger64]

The administration has already more or less outlawed coal. Existing plants are being shut down. New ones are going to be cost prohibitive to build because they will not be able to meet new construction emission standards. To build a nuke tomorrow, you had to have started the application and permitting process in about 1995.

I agree they're expensive to build, especially compared to originally... but they are able to meet emissions standards. I spent a lot of time working at this plant, just one of a few that installed new scrubbers to clean up their emissions which were pretty bad. They went with the scrubbers that clean the exhaust from the burning coal and turn it into gypsum which is used to make drywall and also went with a negative pressure in the boiler which keeps the coal dust inside and much easier to handle.

https://www.appalachianpower.com/info/news/viewrelease.aspx?releaseID=1001

http://www.power-eng.com/articles/p...s-issues-in-construction-and-engineering.html


Coal and coal mining have done irreparable harm to many areas, especially WV. All too often much has been made of the wackadoodles looking out for the environment... if people really knew what has gone on down there, perhaps they would be much less likely to spout that, which is incredibly ignorant. I'm not against coal mining, but it does need to be done in a cleaner and much safer fashion... and this is definitely a time where unions have made a difference cause the non-union mines are where much of the problems have occurred, especially regarding safety.

 

[Beco]

It's called a veto. It's like the one thing the president does.

wrong, he also plays a lot of golf, makes a lot of speeches, and does a bracket for March Madness

 

[Beco]

Coal is around now, nuclear can get approved, just do what I've said for years. Fuck states rights. Sorry Arizona, Sorry Nevada, I'm sure there are some empty states back east too. Fuck you. It sucks but you drew the short straw.

I'd rather spills everyday over minor water tables than one big one over one that matters.

I don't care much about oil prices, I assume we are going to hit peak oil and thanks to guys like you it's gonna be a brick wall and I might as well just prepare my "I told you so" speech because nothing is going to fix it.

Yes I am terrified about the idea of an oil spill over the largest aquifer in the nation if you're not you're out of your mind.

Like I said this is like asking do you take your beaker of Nitroglycerine through a school yard filled with children or do you go hiking through the mountains with it. You'll drop 6/10 hiking and .5/10 through the school. But you'll hit the little kids in the school.

Sorry. Water>Oil. Period.

Other than Gibberish, what have you been saying for years??

 

[phrodeau]

The administration has already more or less outlawed coal. Existing plants are being shut down. New ones are going to be cost prohibitive to build because they will not be able to meet new construction emission standards. To build a nuke tomorrow, you had to have started the application and permitting process in about 1995.

Outlawed? All 900,000,000 tons used in the US annually, against the law?

The fact is that the US has reduced its dependence on coal by about 18% during the Obama admin, and that's why coal plants are shutting down.

You can moan about lost jobs and lower returns on your IRA, but reducing US dependence on coal is a good and necessary step toward a healthier and more prosperous future for all Americans.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Other than Gibberish, what have you been saying for years??

What Sean posted there ain't gibberish. If it appears so to you, the failure is on your end.

 

[Beco]

What Sean posted there ain't gibberish. If it appears so to you, the failure is on your end.

He said, "ive been saying this for years"

saying what for years?? what was his point?

 

[Beco]

Outlawed? All 900,000,000 tons used in the US annually, against the law?

The fact is that the US has reduced its dependence on coal by about 18% during the Obama admin, and that's why coal plants are shutting down.

You can moan about lost jobs and lower returns on your IRA, but reducing US dependence on coal is a good and necessary step toward a healthier and more prosperous future for all Americans.

China burns 4 billion tons of coal a year, the US, 1 billion. Coal is dirty, it pollutes and destorys the earth. But cant we sell our coal to china?

 

[CandiCame]

The administration has already more or less outlawed coal. Existing plants are being shut down. New ones are going to be cost prohibitive to build because they will not be able to meet new construction emission standards. To build a nuke tomorrow, you had to have started the application and permitting process in about 1995.

That would be fucking awesome. I'd love to live in that universe rather than the one where my house shakes and my water comes out of the pipe black. Where my roads aren't destroyed by trucks carrying over their limit. Where my cancer rate is 40% higher than it needs to be because of the poison in the air. That's be fucking epic.