Looks Like The Critics Were Right

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[cowslinger64]

Of course that sort of thing never happened before ACA.

Millions didn't have healthcare tho. Many had preexisting conditions that made it impossible to even get any.

No one has ever claimed ACA was perfect... Just imagine what would have happened if the right wing obstructionists hadn't fought it every step of the way.

Of course it's nice to see you're worried about this woman having a problem.

 

[RobDownSouth]

She's outraged that she has to travel FOURTEEN miles to see a doctor?

THIS, folks, is what our Vettebigot is reduced to whining about.

By way of contrast, I travelled 23 miles yesterday (each way) to see a doctor of my choosing. Oh, and I made the appointment to see her last Friday, thereby goring yet another Vettebigot sacred cow that insuring #ThosePeople would make it impossible to see your doctor in a timely manner.

The worst part of my doctor visit? The magazines in the doctor's waiting room were up to EIGHT MONTHS OLD!

#ThisIsAnOutrage !

 

[Busybody]

We tried to tell the starry eyed fools but, they insisted on being fools:


Insured, but Not Covered
By ELISABETH ROSENTHALFEB. 7, 2015

WHEN Karen Pineman of Manhattan received notice that her longtime health insurance policy didn’t comply with the Affordable Care Act’s requirements, she gamely set about shopping for a new policy through the public marketplace. After all, she’d supported President Obama and the act as a matter of principle.

Ms. Pineman, who is self-employed, accepted that she’d have to pay higher premiums for a plan with a narrower provider network and no out-of-network coverage. She accepted that she’d have to pay out of pocket to see her primary care physician, who didn’t participate. She even accepted having co-pays of nearly $1,800 to have a cast put on her ankle in an emergency room after she broke it while playing tennis.

But her frustration bubbled over when she tried to arrange a follow-up visit with an orthopedist in her Empire Blue Cross/Blue Shield network: The nearest doctor available who treated ankle problems was in Stamford, Conn. When she called to protest, her insurer said that Stamford was 14 miles from her home and 15 was considered a reasonable travel distance. “It was ridiculous — didn’t they notice it was in another state?” said Ms. Pineman, 46, who was on crutches.

She instead paid $350 to see a nearby orthopedist and bought a boot on Amazon as he suggested. She has since forked over hundreds of dollars more for a physical therapist that insurance didn’t cover, even though that provider was in-network.

The Affordable Care Act has ushered in an era of complex new health insurance products featuring legions of out-of-pocket coinsurance fees, high deductibles and narrow provider networks. Though commercial insurers had already begun to shift toward such policies, the health care law gave them added legitimacy and has vastly accelerated the trend, experts say.

The theory behind the policies is that patients should bear more financial risk so they will be more conscious and cautious about health care spending. But some experts say the new policies have also left many Americans scrambling to track expenses from a multitude of sources — such as separate deductibles for network and non-network care, or payments for drugs on an insurer’s ever-changing list of drugs that require high co-pays or are not covered at all.

The rest of the story here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/sunday-review/insured-but-not-covered.html&assetType=opinion&_r=2

the cunt should be ISIS'ed

 

[JohnnySavage]

Blue Cross/Blue Shield is the exact same whether you get it from the exchange, or by suckling at the teet of your employer. No difference. None. Exactly the same.

So in essence, the article is about how private insurance sucks and should be eliminated.

I agree.

 

[JohnnySavage]

She's outraged that she has to travel FOURTEEN miles to see a doctor?

THIS, folks, is what our Vettebigot is reduced to whining about.

By way of contrast, I travelled 23 miles yesterday (each way) to see a doctor of my choosing. Oh, and I made the appointment to see her last Friday, thereby goring yet another Vettebigot sacred cow that insuring #ThosePeople would make it impossible to see your doctor in a timely manner.

The worst part of my doctor visit? The magazines in the doctor's waiting room were up to EIGHT MONTHS OLD!

#ThisIsAnOutrage !

The TV in the waiting room at the VA doesn't have cable.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Blue Cross/Blue Shield is the exact same whether you get it from the exchange, or by suckling at the teet of your employer. No difference. None. Exactly the same.

So in essence, the article is about how private insurance sucks and should be eliminated.

I agree.

VetteBigot unknowingly argues in favor of single payer.

 

[JohnnySavage]

VetteBigot unknowingly argues in favor of single payer.

The true conservative position is to eliminate the cost of employee health care from our businesses. But vette isn't really a conservative.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

VetteBigot unknowingly argues in favor of single payer.

The true conservative position is to eliminate the cost of employee health care from our businesses. But vette isn't really a conservative.

He'll never actually read the body of the stuff he C&Ps, but it can always be said that Vette's never met a headline that he didn't like.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

He'll never actually read the body of the stuff he C&Ps, but it can always be said that Vette's never met a headline that he didn't like.

In VetteBigot's defense he would have to get out of his armchair, walk ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE ROOM to get his readin' spectacles.

Who has time for that? Just read the big headline.

 

[dan_c00000]

Blue Cross/Blue Shield is the exact same whether you get it from the exchange, or by suckling at the teet of your employer. No difference. None. Exactly the same.

So in essence, the article is about how private insurance sucks and should be eliminated.

I agree.

Exactly. I have a BC/BS plan and I work for a public college and I deal with the same bullshit.

Someone I know has a different private insurer and when she was searching for a doctor all the doctors she contacted (about 15) said they dropped that particular PRIVATE insurance company because they didn't pay.

A note at the bottom of that private insurance company's find a doctor page noted that the list was last updated in 2011.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Blue Cross/Blue Shield is the exact same whether you get it from the exchange, or by suckling at the teet of your employer. No difference. None. Exactly the same.

So in essence, the article is about how private insurance sucks and should be eliminated.

I agree.

Preach it!

 

[RobDownSouth]

In VetteBigot's defense he would have to get out of his armchair, walk ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE ROOM to get his readin' spectacles.

Who has time for that? Just read the big headline.

NONSENSE! Medicaid done paid for his Hoveround!!

 

[lovecraft68]

My wife runs a dietary program out of a doctors office and also does the majority of the billing.

She said this is nothing short of a nightmare with who is covered, who isn't, what they will cover, its a damn joke, it was 'unleashed' while it wasn't even close to being complete and as always its the people who suffer.

 

[JohnnySavage]

My wife runs a dietary program out of a doctors office and also does the majority of the billing.

She said this is nothing short of a nightmare with who is covered, who isn't, what they will cover, its a damn joke, it was 'unleashed' while it wasn't even close to being complete and as always its the people who suffer.

I agree, we should get rid of private insurance.

 

[FGB]

We tried to tell the starry eyed fools but, they insisted on being fools:


Insured, but Not Covered
By ELISABETH ROSENTHALFEB. 7, 2015

WHEN Karen Pineman of Manhattan received notice that her longtime health insurance policy didn’t comply with the Affordable Care Act’s requirements, she gamely set about shopping for a new policy through the public marketplace. After all, she’d supported President Obama and the act as a matter of principle.

Ms. Pineman, who is self-employed, accepted that she’d have to pay higher premiums for a plan with a narrower provider network and no out-of-network coverage. She accepted that she’d have to pay out of pocket to see her primary care physician, who didn’t participate. She even accepted having co-pays of nearly $1,800 to have a cast put on her ankle in an emergency room after she broke it while playing tennis.

But her frustration bubbled over when she tried to arrange a follow-up visit with an orthopedist in her Empire Blue Cross/Blue Shield network: The nearest doctor available who treated ankle problems was in Stamford, Conn. When she called to protest, her insurer said that Stamford was 14 miles from her home and 15 was considered a reasonable travel distance. “It was ridiculous — didn’t they notice it was in another state?” said Ms. Pineman, 46, who was on crutches.

She instead paid $350 to see a nearby orthopedist and bought a boot on Amazon as he suggested. She has since forked over hundreds of dollars more for a physical therapist that insurance didn’t cover, even though that provider was in-network.

The Affordable Care Act has ushered in an era of complex new health insurance products featuring legions of out-of-pocket coinsurance fees, high deductibles and narrow provider networks. Though commercial insurers had already begun to shift toward such policies, the health care law gave them added legitimacy and has vastly accelerated the trend, experts say.

The theory behind the policies is that patients should bear more financial risk so they will be more conscious and cautious about health care spending. But some experts say the new policies have also left many Americans scrambling to track expenses from a multitude of sources — such as separate deductibles for network and non-network care, or payments for drugs on an insurer’s ever-changing list of drugs that require high co-pays or are not covered at all.

The rest of the story here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/sunday-review/insured-but-not-covered.html&assetType=opinion&_r=2

My roommate who works sometimes more than one job usually at minimum wage isn't eligible for "Obama Care" because she doesn't make enough money.

She has graves disease, has had four stints installed,seven aneurysm, and two heart attacks.
She can't afford to take off work for six months to apply for disability like her doctors advise.

So what does it take to be eligible?

And just who is Obama care designed for?

 

[Disgustipated]

My roommate who works sometimes more than one job usually at minimum wage isn't eligible for "Obama Care" because she doesn't make enough money.

She has graves disease, has had four stints installed,seven aneurysm, and two heart attacks.
She can't afford to take off work for six months to apply for disability like her doctors advise.

So what does it take to be eligible?

And just who is Obama care designed for?

You're full of shit. I had zero income and qualified.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You're full of shit. I had zero income and qualified.

Not necessarily. His roomie sounds like she's fallen victim to Governor Rick Perry's "Fuck Those Mexicans" initiative.

Remember, Texas is one of those states that declined to accept expanded Medicaid. (Dead poor babbies are a sacrifice we have to make to ensure a permanent Republican majority...).

Texas therefore runs under the "old" draconian Medicaid rules (MediCAID is state, not Federal, remember). Basically Texas says if you have a job, you don't qualify for Medicaid. Obamacare subsidies don't kick in until a certain income level (which is why "expanded Medicaid" exists), but FGB's buddy is someone who fell in the "no coverage" gap: Too "rich" for Medicaid, too poor for Obamacare subsidies.

FGB, the only solution your buddy has right now is to move to an enlightened state that has expanded Medicaid. Texas will eventually be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, but not anytime this year.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Not necessarily. His roomie sounds like she's fallen victim to Governor Rick Perry's "Fuck Those Mexicans" initiative.

Remember, Texas is one of those states that declined to accept expanded Medicaid. (Dead poor babbies are a sacrifice we have to make to ensure a permanent Republican majority...).

Texas therefore runs under the "old" draconian Medicaid rules (MediCAID is state, not Federal, remember). Basically Texas says if you have a job, you don't qualify for Medicaid. Obamacare subsidies don't kick in until a certain income level (which is why "expanded Medicaid" exists), but FGB's buddy is someone who fell in the "no coverage" gap: Too "rich" for Medicaid, too poor for Obamacare subsidies.

FGB, the only solution your buddy has right now is to move to an enlightened state that has expanded Medicaid. Texas will eventually be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, but not anytime this year.

I'm pretty sure this is EXACTLY the cause of FGB's "roommates" insurance issues. Rather than blame their state government for not expanding Medicaid they blame the ACA, just like good little misinformed lapdogs.

 

[miles]

My roommate who works sometimes more than one job usually at minimum wage isn't eligible for "Obama Care" because she doesn't make enough money.

She has graves disease, has had four stints installed,seven aneurysm, and two heart attacks.
She can't afford to take off work for six months to apply for disability like her doctors advise.

So what does it take to be eligible?

And just who is Obama care designed for?

Democrats.

 

[BotanyBoy]

My wife runs a dietary program out of a doctors office and also does the majority of the billing.

She said this is nothing short of a nightmare with who is covered, who isn't, what they will cover, its a damn joke, it was 'unleashed' while it wasn't even close to being complete and as always its the people who suffer.

At least there are less of them suffering......ACA, because it's better than Reagancare, the most broken, expensive, cluster fucked model of socialized HC on the planet.

IF the RW would just pull their heads out of their ass then none of this would be an issue. HC would cost roughly 1/3 what it does now and EVERYONE would get all their boo boo's fixed without having to go pull a 2nd mortgage and becoming a loan sharks bitch, which is what the RW supports, because FREEDUMB.

Fucking retards....

She has graves disease, has had four stints installed,seven aneurysm, and two heart attacks.
She can't afford ...

She needs to get a better paying job and stop pretending she's a 16 y/o girl making minimum wage like that. She just needs to go bring down 100k....*snaps fingaz* like that. Min/low wage jobs aren't meant to be forever.....and if she can't figure it out fuck her, she needs to die in the street because socializm is EVIL!!! And I shouldn't have to pay for her shit....

How's conservatism sound on the receiving end?

 

[FGB]

You're full of shit. I had zero income and qualified.

Come tell her that to her face.

She been itching to Taser someone.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Come tell her that to her face.

She been itching to Taser someone.

You live in a state that refused to expand Medicare coverage right?

If I were a betting man (I only bet on sure things), I'd wager that's the case.

As such, her troubles are caused by your state government, not the ACA. Tell her to go tase the Governor.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Of course that sort of thing never happened before ACA.

Millions didn't have healthcare tho. Many had preexisting conditions that made it impossible to even get any.

No one has ever claimed ACA was perfect... Just imagine what would have happened if the right wing obstructionists hadn't fought it every step of the way.

Of course it's nice to see you're worried about this woman having a problem.

retard, get a real job

 

[jomar]

I have UnitedHealthcare, not under ACA. Son hurt his ankle so went to an doc in a box. They put him in a boot and the bill was $500, I shit you not. I called the medical director and said I'd either return it or they could bill me $100 rate the local supply store charged...they did.

Also, my car insurance premium was raised because I filed a couple of claims after paying premiums for twenty years. In addition, my homeowners was raised because they had to pay to fix shit after all the storms that didn't affect me.

Insurance as it stands is not your friend.