At least 11 Dead in Paris

[butters]

I have no solutions either.

When your next door neighbour's polite helpful son can become a terrorist who commits murder on the streets of his town, how to you stop him?

How do you identify him? He might claim to be a moderate Muslim, attend a moderate Mosque, have a job, a girlfriend and show no abnormal behaviour until one day he decides to be a 'martyr' for radical fanatics.

Bombing Yemen (most of whom are fighting Al-Queda) and bombing Iraq and Syria where Al-Queda are fighting the so-called Islamic State might prevent expansion of territory but it does NOTHING to stop the home-grown terrorist. Instead it gives them 'justification' for their acts. Al-Queda and IS are embedded in civilian communities. Unless they are on a battlefield it is very difficult to bomb them without killing 'innocents', particularly children. Both have learned from HAMAS - place your weapons and bases in or close to schools, hospitals, UN facilities, and mosques so that any attack can be condemned as 'unjust'.

Fighting jihadists is not simple. It is extremely difficult to identify them in our midst.

We have to fight them. But the best, and probably only way, is to work with Muslims to destroy the jihadists' basis of their perverted ideology. That cannot be done by armed police, or special forces, only by fellow Muslims rejecting them. 'Not in my name' is a good start, as were the Muslims on the streets of France.

 

[Busybody]

How do you work with Muslims. ...they could be the next terrorist

Ogg...in addition to the question

are you also aware that the words you and I believe we know the definition of....is NOT the definition Muslims use?

when THEY say they DONT believe in killing INNOCENTS or CIVILIANS.....that doesn't mean to them what it means to us

right?

 

[Busybody]

there is no one to talk to

VIDEO: French Muslim Children Cheer/Mock Gun-Firing Gestures/Thumbs up Outside Kosher Supermarket During Jihad Siege



During the reportage of jihad siege and slaughter in a Kosher supermarket, Muslim children can be seen cheering, giving the thumbs up and making machine gun-firing gestures behind an on scene reporter. The only thing missing is the passing out of candies. Perhaps Mahmoud Abbas will take care of that.

When the cameraman realizes what is going on behind the reporter, he pulls the camera away. When in fact, that should have become the story. That was the lede at that point.

Jews were being slaughtered in cold blood because they were Jewish and these Muslim kids are cheering.

They get this from home.

They get this from mosque.

They get this from community.

Islamic Jew-hatred — it’s in the Qur’an.



It is reflective of the enemedia’s continued protection and whitewashing of the most savage and extreme ideology on the face of the earth.

 

[Busybody]

Ogg...in addition to the question

are you also aware that the words you and I believe we know the definition of....is NOT the definition Muslims use?

when THEY say they DONT believe in killing INNOCENTS or CIVILIANS.....that doesn't mean to them what it means to us

right?

Its ok, Oggy....I'll wait

 

[zipman]

It seems as though A_J is still butty-hurt.

 

[Que]

We have been "working with" and trying to identify the "good Muslims" since long before Charlie Wilson's war.

How about for starters, we simply admit we have no idea what a good Muslim looks like and quit with arming and training any of them. Let them fight it out amongst themselves stone-age style.

 

[Busybody]

We have been "working with" and trying to identify the "good Muslims" since long before Charlie Wilson's war.

How about for starters, we simply admit we have no idea what a good Muslim looks like and quit with arming and training any of them. Let them fight it out amongst themselves stone-age style.

But they are HERE

Obama brought more then 300K in last yr alone

Especially from Somalia...............WHY?????????????????????????????

 

[oggbashan]

Its ok, Oggy....I'll wait

Sorry that you had to. I'm helping my son-in-law move house today so I'm not on line except when I'm resting with a cup of coffee.

The fanatical jihadis make no distinction between those of any age, any religion, any race, even 'fellow Muslims'.

BUT they are very willing to blame the Western allies for any collateral deaths and damage caused by fighting them. It is one of their tactics in the media campaign - to use the West's sensitivities against killing women and children by using them as a human shield.

We are LOSING the propaganda campaign with young male Muslims. We are 'the enemy' oppressing their brothers. The killing of women and children is OUR fault, not Al-Queda or IS, who have deliberately put women and children in front and around their fighters.

 

[oggbashan]

We have been "working with" and trying to identify the "good Muslims" since long before Charlie Wilson's war.

How about for starters, we simply admit we have no idea what a good Muslim looks like and quit with arming and training any of them. Let them fight it out amongst themselves stone-age style.

They might not be where you live. They are in the UK, in France, in Germany, in parts of the US.

Unless you can identify them, the few jihadi mutcases are time bombs just waiting to explode into carnage on our streets.

If we don't support governments who are trying to stop terrorists in their own country, those terrorists will take over the country and have all the resources of a nation state to finance, train and recruit jihadis.

Libya funded and armed the various factions of the IRA and other terrorist groups in Europe for decades, giving them far more money than was raised in the US. A state taken over by IS or Al-Queda could do more to put blood on the streets of Europe and the US than Libya ever did.

 

[Que]

They might not be where you live. They are in the UK, in France, in Germany, in parts of the US.

Unless you can identify them, the few jihadi mutcases are time bombs just waiting to explode into carnage on our streets.

If we don't support governments who are trying to stop terrorists in their own country, those terrorists will take over the country and have all the resources of a nation state to finance, train and recruit jihadis.

Libya funded and armed the various factions of the IRA and other terrorist groups in Europe for decades, giving them far more money than was raised in the US. A state taken over by IS or Al-Queda could do more to put blood on the streets of Europe and the US than Libya ever did.

A fair point.

A great reason for the sane part of the world to quit wasting financial resources on idiotic "research" into the ancient technology of windmills and the space intensive, never going to amount to more than 10% solar and get working on better, safer, more efficient nuclear power.

The US could provide enough oil to shutter the production of the worst actors of the Arab states it the government would get out of the way.

 

[Busybody]

Sorry that you had to. I'm helping my son-in-law move house today so I'm not on line except when I'm resting with a cup of coffee.

The fanatical jihadis make no distinction between those of any age, any religion, any race, even 'fellow Muslims'.

BUT they are very willing to blame the Western allies for any collateral deaths and damage caused by fighting them. It is one of their tactics in the media campaign - to use the West's sensitivities against killing women and children by using them as a human shield.

We are LOSING the propaganda campaign with young male Muslims. We are 'the enemy' oppressing their brothers. The killing of women and children is OUR fault, not Al-Queda or IS, who have deliberately put women and children in front and around their fighters.

yes, of course, we all know that

the question I asked was based on WHAT you said...to work with the MODERATES to change minds and hearts

How can YOU TELL who they are?

There WORDS don't mean the same as our words!

One of the French Imams that marched yesterday.....CALLED FOR THE BOMING OF THE PLACE a FEW YRS AGO



I know.....you know....we ALL know there is BUT one answer...there is NO other answer unless we surrender and hope for the best...there is BUT ONE ANSWER

there is NO DENYING IT! there is only denial

 

[oggbashan]

Sam? What is your answer?

Religious genocide?

Identifying the 'moderate' Muslims from the extremists might be difficult but we're not really trying. As I said, we are losing the propaganda war. Unless and until we really turn our resources to fighting jihadi propaganda, we are letting their criminal leaders win more recruits.

The demonstrations in France are a start. They show that there are moderate Muslims who will condemn jihadis. The French have given a clear message to the killers - we won't surrender, we won't be afraid, we will oppose you.

Whatever your views about the French (and remember that the US could still be British but for French armed forces) they have stood up to be counted in their millions, including Muslims. The cities with the largest Muslim communities came out in force, not AGAINST the Muslims, but side by side WITH the Muslims.

 

[Busybody]

Sam? What is your answer?

Religious genocide?....Yes, or expulsion

Identifying the 'moderate' Muslims from the extremists might be difficult but we're not really trying..........Bunk! Its simply UNTRUE! As I said, we are losing the propaganda war. Unless and until we really turn our resources to fighting jihadi propaganda, we are letting their criminal leaders win more recruits.

The demonstrations in France are a start. They show that there are moderate Muslims who will condemn jihadis........I disagree....it means NOTHING....the Imam that was there called for the BOMBING of Hedbo a few yrs back...THEIR words don't mean OUR words The French have given a clear message to the killers - we won't surrender, we won't be afraid, we will oppose you.

Whatever your views about the French (and remember that the US could still be British but for French armed forces) they have stood up to be counted in their millions, including Muslims. The cities with the largest Muslim communities came out in force, not AGAINST the Muslims, but side by side WITH the Muslims.

In a day or 3

the demonstrations will mean nothing...if they meant something in the first place

 

[Busybody]

Sam? What is your answer?

Religious genocide?

Identifying the 'moderate' Muslims from the extremists might be difficult but we're not really trying. As I said, we are losing the propaganda war. Unless and until we really turn our resources to fighting jihadi propaganda, we are letting their criminal leaders win more recruits.

The demonstrations in France are a start. They show that there are moderate Muslims who will condemn jihadis. The French have given a clear message to the killers - we won't surrender, we won't be afraid, we will oppose you.

Whatever your views about the French (and remember that the US could still be British but for French armed forces) they have stood up to be counted in their millions, including Muslims. The cities with the largest Muslim communities came out in force, not AGAINST the Muslims, but side by side WITH the Muslims.

We, in the West have bent over backwards, to the point of absurdity to ALWAYS scream, ITS NOT ISLAM....to hold interfaith dialogue to have Muslims INCLUDED in stuff, law enforcement etc etc

AND THEY ALL TURNED AGAINST US......

No, there is

We give up and hope they treat us kindly

or

KILL EM and or EXPELL EM!

 

[Busybody]

Remember the young charismatic Imam the CIA etc touted as the future...after 9/11.....he was invited to the WH etc etc


Well...he led Jihad from Yemen and Obama killed him


THEY CANNOT BE REASONED WITH and don't say WE HAVE NOT TRIED

 

[Busybody]

actually the ONLY REAL solution

is a religious one

its clearly stated so in the Bible

of course it will never be used......

even France SHIT on the BIBLE 2 days ago....they are THUS DOOMED

 

[butters]

It seems as though A_J is still butty-hurt.

oh well...

 

[Busybody]

and when we have the chance to support MODERATES....those that can make a difference

we don't

did you read Al Sisi's speech?

extraordinary

yet WE BASH him for SHIT

WHY?

 

[northstarlet]

Sam? What is your answer?

Religious genocide?

Identifying the 'moderate' Muslims from the extremists might be difficult but we're not really trying. As I said, we are losing the propaganda war. Unless and until we really turn our resources to fighting jihadi propaganda, we are letting their criminal leaders win more recruits.

The demonstrations in France are a start. They show that there are moderate Muslims who will condemn jihadis. The French have given a clear message to the killers - we won't surrender, we won't be afraid, we will oppose you.

Whatever your views about the French (and remember that the US could still be British but for French armed forces) they have stood up to be counted in their millions, including Muslims. The cities with the largest Muslim communities came out in force, not AGAINST the Muslims, but side by side WITH the Muslims.

Come on we know you're a francophile but saying the US would still be British if they lost the Revolutionary War is tosh. Australia, Canada and NZL are not British are they?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

We have been "working with" and trying to identify the "good Muslims" since long before Charlie Wilson's war.

How about for starters, we simply admit we have no idea what a good Muslim looks like and quit with arming and training any of them. Let them fight it out amongst themselves stone-age style.

Sooner or later all viable societies adopt a THE ONLY GOOD INJUN IS A DEAD INJUN policy to cope with perilous risks. We do it with snakes all the time. The French and Brits aren't viable societies since 1914, they'll become Muslim.

 

[oggbashan]

Come on we know you're a francophile but saying the US would still be British if they lost the Revolutionary War is tosh. Australia, Canada and NZL are not British are they?

I didn't say 'would'. I wrote 'could'.

If the 13 Colonies had remained British, do you think the tail would be wagging the dog? The UK would be a minor part of America. The colony would have taken over the coloniser.

 

[oggbashan]

Sooner or later all viable societies adopt a THE ONLY GOOD INJUN IS A DEAD INJUN policy to cope with perilous risks. We do it with snakes all the time. The French and Brits aren't viable societies since 1914, they'll become Muslim.

Another advocate of genocide.

No wonder some countries see the USA as the enemy.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Another advocate of genocide.

No wonder some countries see the USA as the enemy.

I report WHAT IS not MY DRUTHERS.

 

[Busybody]

Another advocate of genocide.

No wonder some countries see the USA as the enemy.

that's an abusrd thing to say

ITS SELF PRESERVATION

(anyone that sees the US as THE enemy is beyond talking to)

 

[oggbashan]

that's an abusrd thing to say

ITS SELF PRESERVATION

(anyone that sees the US as THE enemy is beyond talking to)

So you are going to kill a billion people because some of them are jihadis?

Why don't you kill all the communities in the US who produce random killers?