At least 11 Dead in Paris

[4est_4est_Gump]

You talking about...the most Reverend...Jeremiah Wright...??

G-D America, indeed.

Our chickens are laying over in Paris...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The journalists at Charlie Hebdo are now rightly being celebrated as martyrs on behalf of freedom of expression, but let’s face it: If they had tried to publish their satirical newspaper on any American university campus over the last two decades it wouldn’t have lasted 30 seconds. Student and faculty groups would have accused them of hate speech. The administration would have cut financing and shut them down.

Public reaction to the attack in Paris has revealed that there are a lot of people who are quick to lionize those who offend the views of Islamist terrorists in France but who are a lot less tolerant toward those who offend their own views at home.​

David Brooks, Far Left Republican

 

[Curmudgeonly]

It is amazing to me how quickly some seem to go from Islam to Christianity in order to excuse the former and condemn the latter...


Oikophobia

Xenophobia is fear of the alien; oikophobia is fear of the familiar: "the disposition, in any conflict, to side with 'them' against 'us', and the felt need to denigrate the customs, culture and institutions that are identifiably 'ours.' "

The oik repudiates national loyalties and defines his goals and ideals against the nation, promoting transnational institutions over national governments, accepting and endorsing laws that are imposed on us from on high by the EU or the UN, though without troubling to consider Terence's question, and defining his political vision in terms of universal values that have been purified of all reference to the particular attachments of a real historical community.
The oik is, in his own eyes, a defender of enlightened universalism against local chauvinism. And it is the rise of the oik that has led to the growing crisis of legitimacy in the nation states of Europe. For we are seeing a massive expansion of the legislative burden on the people of Europe, and a relentless assault on the only loyalties that would enable them voluntarily to bear it. The explosive effect of this has already been felt in Holland and France. It will be felt soon everywhere, and the result may not be what the oiks expect.
Roger Scruton, British philosopher

Every generation thinks the are...oh, so much more enlightened...

...than anything that has come before.

"There is nothing so strange and so unbelievable that it has not been said by one philosopher or another." -Descartes

Traditions and culture survive centuries for a wise purpose. A "civilization" discards them at their peril.

 

[Que]

The journalists at Charlie Hebdo are now rightly being celebrated as martyrs on behalf of freedom of expression, but let’s face it: If they had tried to publish their satirical newspaper on any American university campus over the last two decades it wouldn’t have lasted 30 seconds. Student and faculty groups would have accused them of hate speech. The administration would have cut financing and shut them down.

Public reaction to the attack in Paris has revealed that there are a lot of people who are quick to lionize those who offend the views of Islamist terrorists in France but who are a lot less tolerant toward those who offend their own views at home.​

David Brooks, Far Left Republican

I think he is a bit generous in saying those types are quick to "lionize." I have seen an awful lot of blaming the victim for going "too far."

None of them would be anything but appalled at the murder of an abortionist. As well they should be. A cartoonist is capable of going "too far" to offend some nuts belief structure, but an abortionist is not capable of offending the disturbed?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Every generation thinks the are...oh, so much more enlightened...

...than anything that has come before.

"There is nothing so strange and so unbelievable that it has not been said by one philosopher or another." -Descartes

Traditions and culture survive centuries for a wise purpose. A "civilization" discards them at their peril.

Hülsmann is brilliant on this topic in The Last Knight of Liberalism as he describes the Socialist Economists of Germany and Austria leading up to the great crash; how they assumed that technology had abrogated human nature.

I think he is a bit generous in saying those types are quick to "lionize." I have seen an awful lot of blaming the victim for going "too far."

None of them would be anything but appalled at the murder of an abortionist. As well they should be. A cartoonist is capable of going "too far" to offend some nuts belief structure, but an abortionist is not capable of offending the disturbed?

There are many who would say, don't publish that, you know who these people are, but they did. When you see the circulation, the response was way out of proportion...

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Piss Christ says, "kill them all . . .


especially the ones who don't laugh."

http://marezilla.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/BLASPHEMY-ART.jpg

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The radicals are winning because we have adopted a surrender-monkey culture.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I didn't surrender.


They haven't made the old Dodge surrender . . . yet.


I bet the Toyota gets to avoid surrender, too.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I won't surrender, and don't blame my gender!


Hell these people want to turn football into Monday Night Pajama Boy Feelings...,

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Peyton can emote next Sunday night - the 18th.





It will all be so sad.


So very sad.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

He does tend to choke only when the stakes are the highest...




I still think it's going to be sooner (not an Oklahoma reference) than later.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This was not the first attack on Charlie Hebdo. It was firebombed without casualties in 2011. That perhaps was vengeance. But the goal of the recent attack was not resolving a grievance. It was submission of the dhimmi. The killers carried out a precision execution of the Charlie Hebdo staff, in the same way a monarch executes those who would strike him. It was not an act of anger, but one of cold deliberation, meant to be seen that way, so that the other dhimmi will clearly understand both the offense and the punishment.

Bold talk in the Western press and in the halls of government today about facing down intimidation, when it is done without clear knowing statements pointing at the intimidator, rather than vague straw men like “international terror” or “radical Islam,” is false and useless.

Islam will either undergo a reformation that will allow it to co-exist with Western civilization (as Egyptian President Sisi recently urged) or seek to conquer, as it has done since its genesis. The West can either fight (politically and if necessary militarily) or submit. After all the brave talk is done, Western Europeans will likely get back to the submitting part. As long as President Obama is in office, and American politicians in concord with the mainstream media continue to favor Islam as a non-Western victim of imperialism, rather than an imperial entity in itself, so will the United States.​

Jonathan F. Keiler

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/01/islamic_executions_in_paris.html#ixzz3OQMfot2A

 

[Que]

The radicals are winning because we have adopted a cheese-eating surrender-monkey culture.

FYP..

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

okay


I laughed...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Every time Islamic jihadists strike, our society frantically searches for some reason to explain what provoked them: American foreign policy, the invasion of Iraq, a preacher in Florida who threatened to burn a Quran, the establishment of Israel after World War II, the events at Abu Ghraib, offensive cartoons, and on and on and on.

But lost in this silly sideshow is the truth that Islam has been imitating their warrior prophet and fighting the world since the 7th century.

Yes, thankfully there are a large number of Muslims today who choose to interpret their holy book in a manner that allows them to live at peace with others. But we can’t deny the reality that Islam is the only religion in the world where there is an open discussion within the faith about whether it’s acceptable to saw off journalists’ heads, burn children alive who don’t renounce their faith in Christ, massacre thousands by using jetliners as missiles, or slaughter cartoonists at a satirical magazine. And again, those acts of terror aren’t the product of some modern movement of Islamists who misunderstand and pervert their scriptures. It has been this way since Muhammad was perpetrating the violence himself.​

Peter Heck

http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...lem_is_within_islam_itself.html#ixzz3OQP3cGBL

 

[Que]

Every time Islamic jihadists strike, our society frantically searches for some reason to explain what provoked them: American foreign policy, the invasion of Iraq, a preacher in Florida who threatened to burn a Quran, the establishment of Israel after World War II, the events at Abu Ghraib, offensive cartoons, and on and on and on.

But lost in this silly sideshow is the truth that Islam has been imitating their warrior prophet and fighting the world since the 7th century.

Yes, thankfully there are a large number of Muslims today who choose to interpret their holy book in a manner that allows them to live at peace with others. But we can’t deny the reality that Islam is the only religion in the world where there is an open discussion within the faith about whether it’s acceptable to saw off journalists’ heads, burn children alive who don’t renounce their faith in Christ, massacre thousands by using jetliners as missiles, or slaughter cartoonists at a satirical magazine. And again, those acts of terror aren’t the product of some modern movement of Islamists who misunderstand and pervert their scriptures. It has been this way since Muhammad was perpetrating the violence himself.​

Peter Heck

http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...lem_is_within_islam_itself.html#ixzz3OQP3cGBL

...but, but- The Crusades!!!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

...but, but- The Crusades!!!

Fugggedabout it!


What we need is an honest conversation on race and white privilege...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

For Touab...

In the early part of the 19th century, France conquered present-day Algeria and set about incorporating it into France. When Algeria gained its independence in the mid-20th century, roughly a million Frenchmen lived there. Virtually all of them fled, along with the indigenous Jewish community. The French Algerians had lived there for more than a hundred years, and the Jewish community dated to the time of the Phoenicians.

During negotiations, the Algerians assured French President Charles De Gaulle that the ethnic French community could stay in Algeria; for some reason things didn’t work out that way. After the French left, between 30,000 and 150,000 Algerian Muslims who sided with France were massacred. Historian Alistair Horne provides a description of what happened to them,

“Hundreds died when put to work clearing the minefields along the Morice Line, or were shot out of hand. Others were tortured atrociously; army veterans were made to dig their own tombs, then swallow their decorations before being killed; they were burned alive, or castrated, or dragged behind trucks, or cut to pieces and their flesh fed to dogs. Many were put to death with their entire families, including young children.”​

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/01/the_palestinian_endgame.html#ixzz3OQSbVFPD

 

[cowslinger64]

Good to see the Chief and the #SchmottGuy getting along so well today.

http://tacugama.wildlifedirect.org/files/2009/08/grooming1.jpg

bwahahaha....Excellent

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Two things are of concern to Europeans. One is the fact that in many cases, particularly in France, Muslims are not integrated, and do not seem prepared to be integrated into the general community. The other is the problem created by the thousands of Muslims who have left their European countries of residence to join and fight for the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. This involvement cannot be excused as caused by factors such as high unemployment, slow European economic growth, inability to wear burqas, sense of grievance in a world they did not make, or a supposed search for identity they cannot find in France and elsewhere in Europe. Western European countries, and now the US, are aware not only of a lack of loyalty to their countries by jihadists born in European countries, such as the murderers of CH, but also of the danger of attacks on high profile targets by those jihadists who have returned from their activity in Syria and Iraq.

It is worth stating that there is a vital difference between the Muslim immigrants and those of other groups. Some of the latter, such as minority groups in the US, may not desire to be fully integrated into the national society, but they accept the general rules and abide by the thrust of national law. The sad reality is that many Muslims have not done so, and not only refuse to accept the validity of the rules of the society in which they live, but are prepared to act against them.

As a result of the massacre at CH the world is aware that the Islamist jihadists are not just a militant cult, as Secretary of State John Kerry suggested in September 2014, but a real and present danger to Western civilization.​

Michael Curtis

http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...fends_western_civilization.html#ixzz3OQW2jvo6

 

[zipman]

Exemplar of a pattern, a pattern that keeps leading people into death in a politically-correct manner...

It was also a cogent response unlike your threat about a fake terrorist attack.

The real terrorists are people like you, those who want to censure that is which uncomfortable speech in their society from those willing to embrace and maintain the traditional culture, while bending over backwards to explain, exonerate and establish the right to hate speech of those deemed sufficiently diverse enough to be welcomed into the culture as investments in our future. Well, that investment in Islam is going to blow up on you and when it does, you will find that you have alienated your former allies in Liberalism to the point that they will want you dead too in order to try and salvage a little out of the lees and dregs of the Progressive movement and wrest liberty from the stone cold clutch of tyranny imposed in the name of tolerance.

So Wrong Element is a terrorist? His posts terrify you? His internet kung-fu is so strong that you are trembling with fear half a country away? Nonsense like this is why only a handful of nuts on here take you seriously. You've become so "extremist" in your views that it is laughable.

Who else wants to "embrace and maintain the traditional culture?" Why that sounds a lot like the fundamentalist muslims you hate so much.

Thanks for a great laugh this morning.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Religion of Peace.

http://pjmedia.com/claudiarosett/saudis-begin-1000-lashes/?singlepage=true

zip, at least they hate the Jews more than they hate the Christians you human piece of filth...

Stick to the topic man and stop kibitzing...

I was that close to taking you off ignore. Thanks for reminding me!

 

[oggbashan]

The journalists at Charlie Hebdo are now rightly being celebrated as martyrs on behalf of freedom of expression, but let’s face it: If they had tried to publish their satirical newspaper on any American university campus over the last two decades it wouldn’t have lasted 30 seconds. Student and faculty groups would have accused them of hate speech. The administration would have cut financing and shut them down.

Public reaction to the attack in Paris has revealed that there are a lot of people who are quick to lionize those who offend the views of Islamist terrorists in France but who are a lot less tolerant toward those who offend their own views at home.​

David Brooks, Far Left Republican

That ignores the French tradition of offensive satire and cartoons as a way of changing their culture. Charlie Hebdo was offensive to almost everyone, but that was a normal part of French political debate. Before the attack, Charlie Hedbo's circulation was small. It won't be now.

Satirical criticism of their rulers and the Catholic church was widespread before the French Revolution of 1789, and offensive satire is valued in France almost as much as the Declaration of Independence is in the US.

Most French satire is more subtle than Charlie Hebdo, which was at the extreme edge of what was acceptable.

The satire that was possible in France would not have been acceptable in the UK because our traditions are different. Our satire has more humour, is gentler, and rarely produces an angry reaction. Some people satirised by UK cartoons have asked for copies (or bought the original) of the cartoon criticising them. That had happened with a few Charlie Hebdo cartoons but most targets found the cartoon too cruel (and usually accurate!).

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That ignores the French tradition of offensive satire and cartoons as a way of changing their culture. Charlie Hebdo was offensive to almost everyone, but that was a normal part of French political debate. Before the attack, Charlie Hedbo's circulation was small. It won't be now.

Satirical criticism of their rulers and the Catholic church was widespread before the French Revolution of 1789, and offensive satire is valued in France almost as much as the Declaration of Independence is in the US.

Most French satire is more subtle than Charlie Hebdo, which was at the extreme edge of what was acceptable.

The satire that was possible in France would not have been acceptable in the UK because our traditions are different. Our satire has more humour, is gentler, and rarely produces an angry reaction. Some people satirised by UK cartoons have asked for copies (or bought the original) of the cartoon criticising them. That had happened with a few Charlie Hebdo cartoons but most targets found the cartoon too cruel (and usually accurate!).

Satire was pretty much as effective as the Maginot Line.

 

[zipman]

Religion of Peace.

http://pjmedia.com/claudiarosett/saudis-begin-1000-lashes/?singlepage=true

zip, at least they hate the Jews more than they hate the Christians you human piece of filth...

Stick to the topic man and stop kibitzing...

I was that close to taking you off ignore. Thanks for reminding me!

So I'm a "human piece of filth?" But you don't make personal attacks, you just cry when anyone does it to you.

You seem to think that you can post nonsense like calling Wrong Element a terrorist and not have anyone disagree with you or rightfully mock that viewpoint because it is so asinine that it defies belief.

LOL, and what difference does having me on ignore make when you still read my posts like you just did.