Anti-GamerGate criminals are doxxing so often that

[LJ_Reloaded]

 

[badbabysitter]

Meanwhile.. some actual verifiable doxxing

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/oct/23/felicia-days-public-details-online-gamergate

Gamer and actor Felicia Day has had her personal details posted online just minutes after making her first public statement about Gamergate – in which she expressed fear about saying anything at all, in case she was targeted as a result.

The publicising of her details was fiercely criticised by a former American football star Chris Kluwe who also criticised the group in the strongest possible terms this week, who pointed out the gender imbalance among those targeted.

The publication of Day’s details is being seen as further strengthening the criticism that Gamergate’s partcipants are pursuing an anti-woman agenda, which has seen female game developers and journalists harassed and threatened, while male critics have been almost untouched.

Day, who appeared in the TV series Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Supernatural, and rose to fame as the writer and lead of online gaming sitcom The Guild, had previously said little about the grassroots campaign against feminism in gaming, “aside from a few replies on Twitter that journalists have decided to use in their articles, siding me against the hashtag”.

But, says Day, who has 2.3 million followers on Twitter, “I realised my silence on the issue was not motivated by some grand strategy, but out of fear that the issue has created about speaking out.”

She explained that her major fear was being “doxxed” – having her personal information disseminated over the internet. “I have tried to retweet a few of the articles I’ve seen dissecting the issue in support, but personally I am terrified to be doxxed for even typing the words ‘gamer gate’. I have had stalkers and restraining orders issued in the past, I have had people show up on my doorstep when my personal information was hard to get.”

But just minutes after her post was made, a commenter with the username “gaimerg8” posted what they claimed was her address and personal email in the comment section below the post. The comment, and the entire comment section, have since been removed.

Many have pointed to the immediate doxxing received by Day to underscore the differing treatment experienced by men and women who speak out against gamergate. The former NFL star Chris Kluwe, whose own post against Gamergate went viral after he called members of the group “slackjawed pickletits”, “slopebrowed weaseldicks” and a “basement-dwelling, cheetos-huffing, poopsock-sniffing douchepistol”, made the point himself.

“None of you fucking #gamergate tools tried to dox me, even after I tore you a new one. I’m not even a tough target,” he tweeted. “Instead, you go after a woman who wrote why your movement concerns her.”

 

[badbabysitter]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/11/game-developer-death-threats_n_5970966.html

Threats have once again forced a game developer to flee her home.

On Friday night, game developer Brianna Wu left her home and filed a police report after receiving tweets that included threats on her life and contained her home address, Kotaku reports.

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Wu, the Head of Development at Giant Spacekat and host of the Isometric podcast on 5by5, has been outspoken on the subject of harassment against women in gaming. Earlier this week, she voiced criticisms of Gamergate, a movement concerned with protecting the identity of gamers but has also been said to be a source of harassment towards women.

An anonymous Twitter account that has since been taken down by Twitter, launched the attacks on Wu Friday night, stating that they were in response to her support for women in gaming, VentureBeat writes. "They posted my address, and within moments I got that death threat," Wu told Kotaku on Saturday. She posted screenshots of the account and threats it made on her Twitter account. As of Saturday one of her posts had been retweeted over 7,000 times.

The day following the attacks, she had not returned to her home, but she vowed that the harassment would not deter her from making games and affirmed that she would still be speaking at the New York Comic Con on Sunday.

Tweets sent from Wu's account late Saturday indicated that the attacks were continuing, saying that hackers were targeting the financial accounts of her company.

As VentureBeat notes, some members of GamerGate claimed that Wu had staged the whole thing to disparage the movement.

This is not the first time Wu has been the target of online harassment. In a piece she wrote for Polygon in July, Wu discussed attacks on women in gaming, revealing that she had received rape threats, attacks by someone else who had her address, and a barrage of hateful statements. Here too, her outspokenness fueled further harassment. Wu is certainly not the only victim. Game developer Zoe Quinn said she was driven from her home by threats from an early incarnation of the Gamergate movement earlier this year. Harassment over a video series criticizing video game depictions of women, prompted feminist Anita Sarkeesian to leave her home in August.

The gaming and technology is taking notice of the the trend of hostility towards women, as is the public at large. Calls for action are mounting. Kotaku's Stephen Totilo laments, "This is a potential new status quo," and "The kind of harassment that sends anyone in the gaming scene fleeing from their homes is detestable and should be condemned no matter where one stands on anything else."

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Once again you refuse to address the fact that Anti-GamerGaters are Doxxing people. And they're mailing weapons to people, too.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/524277720cfbbc2e0e2351178a337a7d/tumblr_ne0030EBGn1tipfq8o1_500.png

http://31.media.tumblr.com/524277720cfbbc2e0e2351178a337a7d/tumblr_ne0030EBGn1tipfq8o1_500.png

Exactly what needles or knives got sent to Brianna Wu or Anita Sarkeesian?

 

[badbabysitter]

Once again you refuse to address the fact that Anti-GamerGaters are Doxxing people. And they're mailing weapons to people, too.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/524277720cfbbc2e0e2351178a337a7d/tumblr_ne0030EBGn1tipfq8o1_500.png

http://31.media.tumblr.com/524277720cfbbc2e0e2351178a337a7d/tumblr_ne0030EBGn1tipfq8o1_500.png

Exactly what needles or knives got sent to Brianna Wu or Anita Sarkeesian?

the only problem with literally each and every one of these cases you showed is that we literally only have the posters word

none of these show adresses..show any words to the affect of harrasment

literally nothing to substantiate anything

they may very well be legitimate cases... but they can also be shit they bought at a store

we only have their word

the cases of Wu, Sarkeesian, Day, and Quinn on the other hand are very much documented

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

the only problem with literally each and every one of these cases you showed is that we literally only have the posters word

But that's also true of Anita Sarkeesian and Brianna Wu

If you wish to claim I'm wrong then show who's been arrested for harassing Sarkessian or Wu.

 

[badbabysitter]

But that's also true of Anita Sarkeesian and Brianna Wu

If you wish to claim I'm wrong then show who's been arrested for harassing Sarkessian or Wu.

the police and the FBI were involved with Sarkeesian.. and the police were involved with Wu

so, no.. it's not the same

this person has not gone to the police.. the poster doesnt mention whatever alleged source this came from.. only in movies do parcel packets get delivered from unknown sources...it's illegal to do so now..so whomever it was had to literally hand deliver it to thier door... that means its not an anti-gamergater.. but one of his friends...assuming its real


if I took a picture of a knife and said it was sent to me with a threat by members of the MRM... by your own standard of evidence... you would have to believe me

that's why when the police and the FBI say the aforementioned women werent involved in thier own threats...it's of a significantly higher standard of evidence.. then a picture on the internet

 

[Conager]

You walk into kinkos, you put whatever you want into an envelope, take it to the counter, pay and leave.

Why would you put your real name and return address if you were up to no good?

 

[badbabysitter]

You walk into kinkos, you put whatever you want into an envelope, take it to the counter, pay and leave.

Why would you put your real name and return address if you were up to no good?

except they werent envelopes for one.. they were parcels

how many parcels get delivered with literally no postage nowadays?

 

[Conager]

except they werent envelopes for one.. they were parcels

how many parcels get delivered with literally no postage nowadays?

I dunno what you call them wherever you are, but those are envelopes that you put whatever you want into. Call it a parcel, a package whatever. I don't recognize that brand. We have Fed-ex, UPS, DHL, and USPS off the top of my head. I get parts in the field that way all the time, and sometimes if I have a part and a buddy needs it at a job in another state I send them. I ship and receive some weird looking stuff that probably looks evil on an xray. Under 2lbs you can drop into a mailbox.

Theres an air-bill you fill out it goes in a sleeve on one side and you hand it over with the money. Other than USPS, no one uses postage, I assume there is some place where it is marked paid, but I don't pay attention to that, they give me a receipt and mark it paid in the system I expect?

I don't get what you guys are arguing about?

 

[badbabysitter]

alrighty, I guess I should have cleared up what I wrote.. even though I was half asleep when I did so...chronic insomnia is a wonderful thiong

in the pictures there is no addy for the sender or the receiver

what the pictures are telling us is that someone sent these knives and needles... without giving an adress they were sending to... literally a blank parcel/envelope

if you put an envelop in the mail and put on no address for it to be delivered to...do you think it will be delivered

hence why someone would have had to hand deliver it

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

the police and the FBI were involved with Sarkeesian.. and the police were involved with Wu

so, no.. it's not the same

Until someone is caught and convicted, it is the same.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I dunno what you call them wherever you are, but those are envelopes that you put whatever you want into. Call it a parcel, a package whatever. I don't recognize that brand. We have Fed-ex, UPS, DHL, and USPS off the top of my head. I get parts in the field that way all the time, and sometimes if I have a part and a buddy needs it at a job in another state I send them. I ship and receive some weird looking stuff that probably looks evil on an xray. Under 2lbs you can drop into a mailbox.

Theres an air-bill you fill out it goes in a sleeve on one side and you hand it over with the money. Other than USPS, no one uses postage, I assume there is some place where it is marked paid, but I don't pay attention to that, they give me a receipt and mark it paid in the system I expect?

I don't get what you guys are arguing about?

Badbabysitter thinks that Gamergaters... a bunch of women, minorities, as well as SJWs and (moderate) feminists

are posting personal information of / issuing death threats to Anita Sarkeesian, a much more radical feminist, and her cohorts, which include Brianna Wu and some others.

Meanwhile she ignores all the same behavior happening to Gamergate people.

Gamergate in short: is a group that's busting the video game media's corrupt journalism and they have also spoken out about the huge gaping holes in Anita Sarkeesian's "video games and misogyny" video series. Gamergate has become the new Communism, with radical feminism being the new Joe McCarthy: trumped up charges of death threats, misogyny and harassment are flying at Gamergate like locusts at a corn field. 99% of it is made up. The other 1% - the actual harassment and death threats - have not been verified as coming from Gamergate. It is most likely the actions of third party trolls. But since Gamergate called out the radical feminists, it's all being put on them.

Tragically, Gamergate has attracted parasitic "supporters" like RooshV (the guy who runs the Return of Kings website) and Breitbart, notable ultramisogynistic conservative groups that hate feminists and who are using this controversy to further their own agendas.

What I was hoping for, at some point, was a dialog where we can discuss:

the clear and obvious corruption in gaming journalism (which has gotten the FTC involved - yes, the Federal Trade Commission)

these threats of unknown origin

the fact that many people in Gamergate are women and people of color

the extremism of Sarkeesian and her crowd

and the disgusting involvement of opportunistic conservatives in this fight.

 

[badbabysitter]

except for the part where its not

gamergate started because a guy accused his ex girlfriend of sleeping around to get ahead... all of which was proven to be a complete load of bu.llshit

her information was leaked, her life was threatened, her accounts were hacked


that is the very antihesis of ethics


pointing holes in Sarkeesians arguments would be a valid point... if thats what happened

what happned was her life was threatened, her siblings lifes were threatened,she was hacked, the lives of innocent bystanders were threatened

that is not ethics


felecia day.. a gamer favourite.. voiced her concers for safety and how she didnt want to be doxxed in connection to gamer gate... so by disagreeing with gamergate,,,she was doxxed

that is not ethics in gaming journalism


Jack Thompson... an anti-video game crusader notorious for his lack of ehtics in his opinions on gaming... is one of gamergate's heroes.. because he doesnt like the aforementioned women

LT accuses me of ignoring what is happening to gamergaters while flatly ignoring what happens to those who disagree with it


here is a summation from someone who is not involved in gamergate


I'm happy to inform you that our current fundraiser is the most successful in our entire history.

But there's something deeper that is wrong with your argument - Wikipedia is not for sale, not to any donors, so even if donations were dropping, that would not mean to me that we should compromise on our principles of quality and neutrality in response to a pressure group.

My point here is not to say that there is nothing wrong with the article - I actually think it needs a fair amount of work. But I want you and others to understand that threatening people is not helpful.

I've recently seen web pages in which people who are - and I don't know how else to put it - vicious assholes - are gathering data to attack the personal lives of volunteers. It is very difficult for me to buy into the notion that gamergate is "really about ethics in journalism" when every single experience I have personally had with it involved pro-gg people insulting, threatening, doxxing, etc.

No, not all pro-gg people. But there's a huge contingent to the extent that for good people - and I respect your letter and assume good faith that you are a good person - the name "gamer gate" is toxic.

Even if 90% of the supporters are good and 10% are bad, the bad are poisoning the message for everyone. That's not an evaluation of right and wrong, just an observation of a clear fact.

You see, a big part of the problem is that #gamergate is not a movement, but a hashtag. And so there is literally no way to have any quality control of any kind. There is no way to see what is or is not a position of gamergate.

I have had several people over the past weeks say to me "It is not about mysogyny." I was prepared to believe that. But discussions usually very quickly move to attacking a female game developer for events surrounding her personal life. That's sick.

The contingent of people who are interested in putting pressure on institutions within game journalism to expose corruption need an actual organization - with a mission statement, with a board of directors, with elected people who represent the movement. Barring that, you should very much expect the media to continue to accurately report that the Gamergate community is associated with online harassment and misogyny. But actually, in fact, it is.

I know that may pain you to hear. You thought you were taking part in a movement that would be about ethics in journalism. A movement that would stand for the rights of all gamers. That would welcome women into the world of gaming and would shame those who would engage in personal attacks on the basis of gender. I admire all of those things.

But #gamergate has been permanently tarnished and highjacked by a handful of people who are not what you would hope.

You might not be the person to lead it. I don't know who is. But I strongly recommend that someone organize a "gamer's union" of sorts, with a real mission statement, with real rules, with real organization and leadership.

Bitching and moaning on a twitter hashtag is getting you nowhere, particularly for the reasons I have outlined in this note.

--Jimmy Wales

he runs a little site called Wikipedia


saying that these attacks dont come form gamergate is ludicrous.. because gamergate is not an organization...it's a hashtag


how are these opponents Social Justice Warriors.. (which si funny because that's a neo-conservative term which you now embrace.. to disparage liberals) merely because they disagree

the people who are threatening and harrasing arent gamergaters.. but the people who disagree are all feminists and sjw's... right?


why cant we discuss that many of the ant-gamer gaters are men and women..of colour

the extremism of jack Thompson, Roosh, Avoiceformen, Breitbart, 8chan and their crowd



why you are embracing arch right conservatism in your fight

 

[badbabysitter]

Until someone is caught and convicted, it is the same.

so if someone isnt caught for a murder...it's not a crime

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

except for the part where its not

gamergate started because a guy accused his ex girlfriend of sleeping around to get ahead... all of which was proven to be a complete load of bu.llshit

her information was leaked, her life was threatened, her accounts were hacked


that is the very antihesis of ethics


pointing holes in Sarkeesians arguments would be a valid point... if thats what happened

what happned was her life was threatened, her siblings lifes were threatened,she was hacked, the lives of innocent bystanders were threatened

that is not ethics


felecia day.. a gamer favourite.. voiced her concers for safety and how she didnt want to be doxxed in connection to gamer gate... so by disagreeing with gamergate,,,she was doxxed

that is not ethics in gaming journalism


Jack Thompson... an anti-video game crusader notorious for his lack of ehtics in his opinions on gaming... is one of gamergate's heroes.. because he doesnt like the aforementioned women

LT accuses me of ignoring what is happening to gamergaters while flatly ignoring what happens to those who disagree with it


here is a summation from someone who is not involved in gamergate


I'm happy to inform you that our current fundraiser is the most successful in our entire history.

But there's something deeper that is wrong with your argument - Wikipedia is not for sale, not to any donors, so even if donations were dropping, that would not mean to me that we should compromise on our principles of quality and neutrality in response to a pressure group.

My point here is not to say that there is nothing wrong with the article - I actually think it needs a fair amount of work. But I want you and others to understand that threatening people is not helpful.

I've recently seen web pages in which people who are - and I don't know how else to put it - vicious assholes - are gathering data to attack the personal lives of volunteers. It is very difficult for me to buy into the notion that gamergate is "really about ethics in journalism" when every single experience I have personally had with it involved pro-gg people insulting, threatening, doxxing, etc.

No, not all pro-gg people. But there's a huge contingent to the extent that for good people - and I respect your letter and assume good faith that you are a good person - the name "gamer gate" is toxic.

Even if 90% of the supporters are good and 10% are bad, the bad are poisoning the message for everyone. That's not an evaluation of right and wrong, just an observation of a clear fact.

You see, a big part of the problem is that #gamergate is not a movement, but a hashtag. And so there is literally no way to have any quality control of any kind. There is no way to see what is or is not a position of gamergate.

I have had several people over the past weeks say to me "It is not about mysogyny." I was prepared to believe that. But discussions usually very quickly move to attacking a female game developer for events surrounding her personal life. That's sick.

The contingent of people who are interested in putting pressure on institutions within game journalism to expose corruption need an actual organization - with a mission statement, with a board of directors, with elected people who represent the movement. Barring that, you should very much expect the media to continue to accurately report that the Gamergate community is associated with online harassment and misogyny. But actually, in fact, it is.

I know that may pain you to hear. You thought you were taking part in a movement that would be about ethics in journalism. A movement that would stand for the rights of all gamers. That would welcome women into the world of gaming and would shame those who would engage in personal attacks on the basis of gender. I admire all of those things.

But #gamergate has been permanently tarnished and highjacked by a handful of people who are not what you would hope.

You might not be the person to lead it. I don't know who is. But I strongly recommend that someone organize a "gamer's union" of sorts, with a real mission statement, with real rules, with real organization and leadership.

Bitching and moaning on a twitter hashtag is getting you nowhere, particularly for the reasons I have outlined in this note.

--Jimmy Wales

he runs a little site called Wikipedia


saying that these attacks dont come form gamergate is ludicrous.. because gamergate is not an organization...it's a hashtag


how are these opponents Social Justice Warriors.. (which si funny because that's a neo-conservative term which you now embrace.. to disparage liberals) merely because they disagree

the people who are threatening and harrasing arent gamergaters.. but the people who disagree are all feminists and sjw's... right?


why cant we discuss that many of the ant-gamer gaters are men and women..of colour

the extremism of jack Thompson, Roosh, Avoiceformen, Breitbart, 8chan and their crowd



why you are embracing arch right conservatism in your fight

Arch right conservatism?

You mean the ones who broadbrush Gamergate and call them "tainted" because of the acts of an unidentified bunch of hooligans

which is the same argument that arch right wingers use to call Islam "evil" because of the acts of terrorists?

It sounds like YOU are more arch right conservative than I will ever hope to be.

Have you ever googled "Horseshoe theory"?

 

[badbabysitter]

I mean breitbart, roosh, jack thompson and even stormfront who have stepped up to champion gamergate

and now you're comparing gamergate to islamaphobia

no one is persecuting gamergate.. they do that to themselves all by themselves

I have not attacked gamergate.. I have crticized those people who attack people who have beencritical of gamergate

somehow this is "persecution"

if you want this to be about ehtic in gaming journalism.. discuss ethics in gaming journalism

all I see is trying to " show the world" the faults of these evil feminists and SJW's

that is not gaming journalism

show me the ethics of gaming journalism

show me

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

so if someone isnt caught for a murder...it's not a crime

No, if someone isn't caught for a murder, that someone is not guilty.

Yes, we know you feminists hate the concept of due process.

I mean breitbart, roosh, jack thompson and even stormfront who have stepped up to champion gamergate

And I addressed them and said they were parasites and their latching onto Gamergate is a TRAGEDY.

and now you're comparing gamergate to islamaphobia

I am comparing your depiction of gamergate as "ruined" by death threats with the ultra far right's depiction of Islam as "ruined" by terrorism.

no one is persecuting gamergate.. they do that to themselves all by themselves

According to your claims, which are not even proven.

You know what the difference is between your views on Gamergate and Islamophobia? Both are stupidly irrational but at least we know some Muslims by name who are terrorists. There's absolutely nothing out there concretely linking Gamergate to harassment.

if you want this to be about ehtic in gaming journalism.. discuss ethics in gaming journalism

http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/04/w...-get-right-and-why-it-doesnt-matter-ethics/2/

Also note that Gamergate has gotten the FTC interested in the issue. And Intel and other companies pulled their ads out of Gamergate's worst targets (Kotaku, Gawker). Companies would have sided AGAINST Gamergate considering the overwhelming avalanche of negative press Gamergate has gotten. Funny, how they turned on the gaming news sites and not Gamergate, eh?

Oh and how about those gaming news sites declaring gamers are dead?

 

[badbabysitter]

No, if someone isn't caught for a murder, that someone is not guilty.

but you just said that because whoever threatened Sarkeesian wasnt caught is the same as a guy sending pictures

one was a crime.. one was literally a guys word

Yes, we know you feminists hate the concept of due process.

right... from the guy that made threads about how Zoe Quiin faked her privacy breach... if you did believe in due process you would have let the facts speak for themselves.. but you didnt

And I addressed them and said they were parasites and their latching onto Gamergate is a TRAGEDY.

dude.. you directly compared the two .. you compared those who " boradbush" to republicans using islamophobia as a crutch..i can quote it

I am comparing your depiction of gamergate as "ruined" by death threats with the ultra far right's depiction of Islam as "ruined" by terrorism.

gamergate was never ruined by anything but by itself...any kind of discussion of ethics has been buried by the above...

According to your claims, which are not even proven.

that gamergate has tarnished its own image publicly? that's the only accusation I've made.. and its clear to anyone outside it that this is the case... I havent tried accusing gamergate of anything because I can't.. because its not an organization.. I've defended those who have been attacked by those who support it for no other reason then they disagree

You know what the difference is between your views on Gamergate and Islamophobia? Both are stupidly irrational but at least we know some Muslims by name who are terrorists. There's absolutely nothing out there concretely linking Gamergate to harassment.

because gamergate is a hashtag.. not a group.. they dont have a headquarters...but if you see the same language, the same tlaking points, the same denounciations being used by the harrasers that is used by gamergaters.. it's not a leap of logic... just like someone screaming about white power is probably a white supremist.. you cant prove it.. but only an idiot thinks otherwise.. which is what you want me to do

http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/04/w...-get-right-and-why-it-doesnt-matter-ethics/2/

ummm.. that's not game journalism.. that's inter gamergate-antigamergate bullshit.. that's the result of this never ending circle.. and its an op ed about how how gamergate is right and those who oppose it are wrong

plus.. that's the daily caller... you're railing against conservatism leeching onto the movement.. but the daily caller is a conservative site.. regularly used by Busybody, AJ, vette,et. al

Also note that Gamergate has gotten the FTC interested in the issue. And Intel and other companies pulled their ads out of Gamergate's worst targets (Kotaku, Gawker). Companies would have sided AGAINST Gamergate considering the overwhelming avalanche of negative press Gamergate has gotten. Funny, how they turned on the gaming news sites and not Gamergate, eh?you do realize that's because of things like

Oh and how about those gaming news sites declaring gamers are dead?

gamergaters urged companies to pull out of sites in email campaigns... but yet... just yesterday... you were angry about Wu asking people to boycott... why is it when she does it it's bad.. but when they do it, it's good?

and you do realize all those companies are back to publishing on sites.. hell.. many have outright apologized

and I wouldnt take the FTC too strongly.. they were dragged into the gaming world over the ME3 ending ( which I agree was bullshit).. and they are going to discover again that you cant legislate your feelings

andI agree that gamers are dead.. I'm a gamer..what they mean is what they have always defined for themselves as being a "gamer" simply doesnt stand anymore... gaming doesn't " belong" to them anymore... and that's also one of the big issues of gamergate... the world is changing

Christina Hoff Summers argues that gaming is a refuge for young men that are alienated from the world, and creates thier own safety........which is very true

but what she refuses to acknowledge each and every single time its brought to her attention is that boys arent the only ones playing games

33% of console gamers are women and 61% of android or PC gamers are women...that's 47% of the market is women..and if women want to say something.. the old school is going to have get used to the idea that other people have opinions that differ from thiers

but I just totally went off tangent

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

but you just said that because whoever threatened Sarkeesian wasnt caught is the same as a guy sending pictures

one was a crime.. one was literally a guys word



right... from the guy that made threads about how Zoe Quiin faked her privacy breach... if you did believe in due process you would have let the facts speak for themselves.. but you didnt




dude.. you directly compared the two .. you compared those who " boradbush" to republicans using islamophobia as a crutch..i can quote it




gamergate was never ruined by anything but by itself...any kind of discussion of ethics has been buried by the above...




that gamergate has tarnished its own image publicly? that's the only accusation I've made.. and its clear to anyone outside it that this is the case... I havent tried accusing gamergate of anything because I can't.. because its not an organization.. I've defended those who have been attacked by those who support it for no other reason then they disagree




because gamergate is a hashtag.. not a group.. they dont have a headquarters...but if you see the same language, the same tlaking points, the same denounciations being used by the harrasers that is used by gamergaters.. it's not a leap of logic... just like someone screaming about white power is probably a white supremist.. you cant prove it.. but only an idiot thinks otherwise.. which is what you want me to do




ummm.. that's not game journalism.. that's inter gamergate-antigamergate bullshit.. that's the result of this never ending circle.. and its an op ed about how how gamergate is right and those who oppose it are wrong

plus.. that's the daily caller... you're railing against conservatism leeching onto the movement.. but the daily caller is a conservative site.. regularly used by Busybody, AJ, vette,et. al



gamergaters urged companies to pull out of sites in email campaigns... but yet... just yesterday... you were angry about Wu asking people to boycott... why is it when she does it it's bad.. but when they do it, it's good?

and you do realize all those companies are back to publishing on sites.. hell.. many have outright apologized

and I wouldnt take the FTC too strongly.. they were dragged into the gaming world over the ME3 ending ( which I agree was bullshit).. and they are going to discover again that you cant legislate your feelings

andI agree that gamers are dead.. I'm a gamer..what they mean is what they have always defined for themselves as being a "gamer" simply doesnt stand anymore... gaming doesn't " belong" to them anymore... and that's also one of the big issues of gamergate... the world is changing

Christina Hoff Summers argues that gaming is a refuge for young men that are alienated from the world, and creates thier own safety........which is very true

but what she refuses to acknowledge each and every single time its brought to her attention is that boys arent the only ones playing games

33% of console gamers are women and 61% of android or PC gamers are women...that's 47% of the market is women..and if women want to say something.. the old school is going to have get used to the idea that other people have opinions that differ from thiers

but I just totally went off tangent

Defending all claims by feminists as true without proof

Defining everyone else's counter-claims as false

Declaring dailycaller a conservative site

Broadbrushing all gamergaters as harassers (much like Conservatives broadbrush all Muslims as terrorists)

You went off on more than just a tangent... you went off the cliff into idiocy and insanity.