Can anyone tell me why or how anyone can justify the riots and looting?

[Busybody]

A few weeks ago a man came to the back door of a convenience store in Jackson, Ms. He began beating on the door. When the store owner went to the back door he shot two times through the door window hitting the man. The man was able to get into a car waiting for him and leave the scene. His body was found later dumped in someone's yard.
The store owner who shot him through the door will not be charged with a damn thing. Police chief held an interview on TV stating there would be no charges even though the man never entered the store.

All looters should be treated the same.

true

BUT

in that local, its expected....the person is treated as someone protecting himself

in Fergy etc, the store would be burned, the keeper and family as well maybe...RACISM....right?

 

[Busybody]

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[Busybody]

Far-Left “Reverend” Osagyefo Sekou Says Blacks Burning Down Buildings Is “Democracy On Fire”…




I could have sworn arson was a crime.

Via USA Today:


[T]he grand jury decision convinced some people that peaceful protests don’t necessarily bring justice for black people, the Rev. Osagyefo Sekou said.

“You didn’t just see buildings burning last night, you saw democracy on fire,” Sekou said Tuesday. “We had peaceful protests for 108 days and the police didn’t respond to that. We are talking about a traumatized, grieving community. People feel like America doesn’t love black and brown children.”

The shattered glass, burned cruisers and shooting illustrated “pain on display,” he said.

 

[richard_daily]

Personally, I think the only thing this accomplished was provide fuel for negative stereotypes for poor black communities

Personally, I don't understand how people can justify killing an unarmed kid after escalating a sitaution.


But hey, that's just me.

 

[Busybody]

Personally, I don't understand how people can justify killing an unarmed kid after escalating a sitaution.


But hey, that's just me.

he was a DRUG INFUSED HULKING THUG.....almost 300 pounds of CHARING MENACE

and what does THAT have to do with riots?

 

[miles]

The rioters are like Islamonazis. They're always enraged about something.

 

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[miles]

Nothing.

But, he committed a strong arm robbery, then he committed another felony, when he assaulted a police officer and went for his gun, he then committed another felony when he ignored a lawful order and bull rushed the same injured officer with deadly intent.

The media conveniently omits those facts and refers to him as just an "unarmed teenager."

 

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[miles]

The media perpetuates race war and can't wait for it to openly break out.

Then they can blame it all on poverty, unemployment, and lack of education.

 

[Busybody]

how come 90 yr old vets were treated WORSE by POLICE during the lockdown then rioters were treated in Fergy and elsewhere

 

[possum123]

The media conveniently omits those facts and refers to him as just an "unarmed teenager."

Part of that is true.
He wasn't even armed with normal common sense.
A half wit waiting for someone to get him off the streets.

 

[smoothg103rd]

Oh Niggaz is as extinct as dinosaurs what with their fondness for abortions, murder, drugs, greasy chicken, and wine. Those in these parts don't have the good sense to treat white customers politely. If you want nigger hospitality at its full bloom of irascibility order some fried chicken at a national black chain. Poverty is what they like. I aint talkin bad about Popeyes, the other one. Niggers think money is white. Its green.

You deserve to be spit on.

 

[DooleyDarter]

Farrakhan threatens to "tear this god damn country apart," and wants to "die for something." Is this radical Muslim the enemy? Is he advocating the violent overthrow of the government? Is he a national security threat? You can bet the FBI is not allowed by this President to find out.

Farrakhan will be nowhere near the fighting, he will let the other smucks do the fighting and dieing. Have you seen how fat he has got sucking off Allah's teat.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Then they can blame it all on poverty, unemployment, and lack of education.

And, of course, the Bush administration.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Maybe if they would spend less time blaming other people and more time working they would not be so sick of their second class status.

I think you missed this part "being denied access to participation in the economic system."

That means that access to employment that provides a living wage and access to capital to start a business in largely denied to "them".

 

[Que]

I think you missed this part "being denied access to participation in the economic system."

That means that access to employment that provides a living wage and access to capital to start a business in largely denied to "them".

Who or what is denying them access? Be specific.

What is a "living wage?"

Does one have to put in any time at all on the job to be awarded this magical living wage or should you just get it your first day on your first job, working part time?

 

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[BoyNextDoor]

Who or what is denying them access? Be specific.

What is a "living wage?"

Does one have to put in any time at all on the job to be awarded this magical living wage or should you just get it your first day on your first job, working part time?

Who or what is denying them access? Be specific.
Given that there are millions of pages of economic theory and discussions of political economy devoted to this I will try and sum it up this way: Capitalism requires a permanent underclass.


What is a "living wage?"
I think the living wage calculator at http://livingwage.mit.edu/ is probably the best and most accessible resource. Clearly a living wage has the basic definition of "a wage that is sufficient to provide for the production and the reproduction of your social self". I think it is synonymous with the concept of "necessary labor". In Middlesex County, Massachusetts $32.76/hr is the living wage for a single wage earner with two dependent children.


Does one have to put in any time at all on the job to be awarded this magical living wage or should you just get it your first day on your first job, working part time?
You can be as snarky as you want but there is nothing magical about it. I'll put it in terms I think you will understand. Not having access to economic opportunities means not having access to opportunities to get jobs where someone can earn a living wage. So, yes one has to put time in and build up a CV and earn access to jobs that provide a living wage.

Arguments over a minimum wage where the basis is that the minimum wage should equal a living wage are absurd. I can only imagine the cost of a Big Mac in Middlesex County, Massachusetts might be if the fry-guy was earning $32.76/hr. However that has nothing to do with the systematic denial of access to capital or the denial of access to jobs that provide a living wage to a lot of people in this country. Making pretend it does is a bumper-sticker sized distraction from the real issue.

 

[CandiCame]

Who or what is denying them access? Be specific.
Given that there are millions of pages of economic theory and discussions of political economy devoted to this I will try and sum it up this way: Capitalism requires a permanent underclass.


What is a "living wage?"
I think the living wage calculator at http://livingwage.mit.edu/ is probably the best and most accessible resource. Clearly a living wage has the basic definition of "a wage that is sufficient to provide for the production and the reproduction of your social self". I think it is synonymous with the concept of "necessary labor". In Middlesex County, Massachusetts $32.76/hr is the living wage for a single wage earner with two dependent children.


Does one have to put in any time at all on the job to be awarded this magical living wage or should you just get it your first day on your first job, working part time?
You can be as snarky as you want but there is nothing magical about it. I'll put it in terms I think you will understand. Not having access to economic opportunities means not having access to opportunities to get jobs where someone can earn a living wage. So, yes one has to put time in and build up a CV and earn access to jobs that provide a living wage.

Arguments over a minimum wage where the basis is that the minimum wage should equal a living wage are absurd. I can only imagine the cost of a Big Mac in Middlesex County, Massachusetts might be if the fry-guy was earning $32.76/hr. However that has nothing to do with the systematic denial of access to capital or the denial of access to jobs that provide a living wage to a lot of people in this country. Making pretend it does is a bumper-sticker sized distraction from the real issue.

Well, If you bump it up to $15 it would go up by $0.00. So... probably not that much.

 

[Que]

Who or what is denying them access? Be specific.
Given that there are millions of pages of economic theory and discussions of political economy devoted to this I will try and sum it up this way: Capitalism requires a permanent underclass.


What is a "living wage?"
I think the living wage calculator at http://livingwage.mit.edu/ is probably the best and most accessible resource. Clearly a living wage has the basic definition of "a wage that is sufficient to provide for the production and the reproduction of your social self". I think it is synonymous with the concept of "necessary labor". In Middlesex County, Massachusetts $32.76/hr is the living wage for a single wage earner with two dependent children.


Does one have to put in any time at all on the job to be awarded this magical living wage or should you just get it your first day on your first job, working part time?
You can be as snarky as you want but there is nothing magical about it. I'll put it in terms I think you will understand. Not having access to economic opportunities means not having access to opportunities to get jobs where someone can earn a living wage. So, yes one has to put time in and build up a CV and earn access to jobs that provide a living wage.

Arguments over a minimum wage where the basis is that the minimum wage should equal a living wage are absurd. I can only imagine the cost of a Big Mac in Middlesex County, Massachusetts might be if the fry-guy was earning $32.76/hr. However that has nothing to do with the systematic denial of access to capital or the denial of access to jobs that provide a living wage to a lot of people in this country. Making pretend it does is a bumper-sticker sized distraction from the real issue.

Very, very well reasoned and expressed. Point one is too nebulous, and a lot of what I am assuming you read that touches on economic theory is the sort that thinks macro-economically (not that that does not have a place) and not very focused on the behaviorist answers such as why do the small parts (people) in the market behave the way they do, and will doing such and such have the effect I would like, or think I can predict, given that people tend to not cooperate with micro-economic theories. I will let that slide as you have expressed a valid, cogent point of view, that I don't happen to agree with.

Last point was refreshing. I am with you 100%. A living wage HAS become synonymous with minimum wage for all job no matter how low skilled, low education, and low effort it might be. You acknowledge the distraction that making that ridiculous leap is. One of the things to consider about people that are not getting "access" as you put it is that some locales and cultures are not very good at fostering opportunities. No one is more than a few tanks of gas away from a good paying job.

Your demonstrating that it varies by locale also blows out of the water the very idea of a specific national minimum wage.

So, well done. Not that you are seeking my validation but it is nice every once in a while to get actual discourse and I wanted to say so.

 

[richard_daily]

In other news, the minimum wage around here may be $13 before too long, something for the geriatric right to riot about at the behest of their corporate masters.

 

[Que]

Well, If you bump it up to $15 it would go up by $0.00. So... probably not that much.

this was the sort of nonsense, (sorry no polite way to say it, truly) that I normally see. In fast food, I forget the percentage labor tends to be but it is a known number. I'm guessing from memory 32%.

If you double wages...(keep in mind that the employer is now kicking in 7.62% of $15 instead of $7.50, and is now paying $22 an hour when someone fails to show and an employee has to double shift...)

You have increased the hamburgers cost of production by 15% The is not nothing.

Most businesses are thrilled if they clear 10% over operating costs. Most municipalities get by on taxing the crap out of everything up to 10%.

If there was an extra profit of that could absorb the hit of doubling wages, everyone would be clamoring to own a fast food franchise.

You and your cite are beyond wrong.