So when is this "Honest" discussion regarding race relations goint to occur?

[possum123]

Citation is needed or this is pure bullshit pulled out of your ass.

Just read the laws.
Is it true that a colored person with lower grades is given preference over other races when they apply for college?
Is it true that on govt. job applications people who are colored get points for their color only?
Doesn't the govt. force companies to hire a certain % of colored people?
Doesn't the govt. give preference on govt. contracts to companies owned by colored people?

Why do they do that?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Just read the laws.
Is it true that a colored person with lower grades is given preference over other races when they apply for college?
Is it true that on govt. job applications people who are colored get points for their color only?
Doesn't the govt. force companies to hire a certain % of colored people?
Doesn't the govt. give preference on govt. contracts to companies owned by colored people?

Why do they do that?

In most places this isn't true and hasn't been for a while. However in the places that it is it's because blacks have traditionally had less opportunity in this country. Sure there are occasional people who really are that damn good at self instruction but in most cases taking Albert Einstien handing him to a couple who didn't graduate high school and don't have the time to help him with his school work will produce an inferior to student to Chris Brown if you put him in an upper class family in a good neighborhood. It's nothing genetic, it's about opportunity.

The government doesn't force any company I'm aware of into quotas but they do at least attempt to get us government contracts. Because we don't get them on our own because our uncles and fathers aren't in Congress. It's not about what you know it's who you know.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

For the Honest discussion. Be back after football.

What is solitary confinement?
Solitary confinement of prisoners exists under a range of names: isolation, control units, supermax prisons, the hole, SHUs, administrative segregation, maximum security, or permanent lockdown.

Prisoners can be placed in these units for many reasons: as punishment while they are under investigation; as a mechanism for behavior modification, when suspected of gang involvement; as retribution for political activism; or to fill expensive, empty beds, to name but a few.

Although conditions vary from state to state and in different institutions, systematic policies and conditions of control and oppression used in isolation and segregation include:

Confinement behind a solid steel door for 23 hours a day
Limited contact with other human beings
Infrequent phone calls and rare non-contact family visits
Extremely limited access to rehabilitative or educational programming
Grossly inadequate medical and mental health treatment
Restricted reading material and personal property
Physical torture such as hog-tying, restraint chairs, and forced cell extraction
Mental torture such as sensory deprivation, permanent bright lighting, extreme temperatures, and forced insomnia
Sexual intimidation and violence

Recent history of isolation

Beginning in the early 1970s, prison and jail administrators at the federal, state, and local level have relied increasingly on isolation and segregation to control men, women, and youth in their custody.

In 1985 there were a handful of control units across the county. Today an estimated 44 states have supermax facilities confining more than 30,000 people. Prisoners are often confined for months or even years, with some spending more than 25 years in segregated prison settings. As with the overall prison population, people of color are disproportionately represented in isolation units.

(AFSC's Justice Visions Briefing Paper, "Prison Inside the Prison," provides a more complete history.)
Mental health effects of isolation

Increasingly, isolation units house the mentally ill who struggle to conform to prison rules.

An independent investigation from 2006 reported that as many as 64 percent of prisoners in SHUs were mentally ill, a much higher percentage than is reported by states for their general prison populations. Contrary to the perception that control units house "the worst of the worst," it is often the most vulnerable prisoners, not the most violent, who end up in extended isolation. AFSC's Healing Justice staff worked with 60 Minutes on the production of "The Death of Timothy Souders," a riveting testimony.

Numerous studies have documented the effects of solitary confinement on prisoners giving them the name Special Housing Unit Syndrome or SHU Syndrome. Some of the many SHU Syndrome symptoms include:

Visual and auditory hallucinations
Hypersensitivity to noise and touch
Insomnia and paranoia
Uncontrollable feelings of rage and fear
Distortions of time and perception
Increased risk of suicide
PTSD

If one is not mentally ill when entering an isolation unit, by the time they are released, their mental health has been severely compromised. Many prisoners are released directly to the streets after spending years in isolation. Because of this, long-term solitary confinement goes beyond a problem of prison conditions, to pose a formidable public safety and community health problem.
Solitary confinement violates basic human rights

Prison isolation fits the definition of torture as stated in several international human rights treaties, and thus constitutes a violation of human rights law. For example, the U.N. Convention Against Torture defines torture as any state-sanctioned act “by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person” for information, punishment, intimidation, or for a reason based on discrimination.

For all these reasons—for the safety of our communities, to respect our responsibility to follow international human rights law, to take a stand against torture wherever it occurs, and for the sake of our common humanity—prison isolation and segregation must end.

 

[AshleyBeckem]

That's not true. We know that poverty leads to crime. We can alleviate poverty. We just don't want to.

Easing off enforcement is probably a descent start but we kinda have to define vilent very carefully here.

Abandoning prohibition would be HUGE but we won't do that. Not really.

How does one eliminate poverty?

From what they say about you on this board, the only thing you are looking for is a free handout. So how does that end poverty? Clearly, we've been giving hand outs and the only thing this has accomplished is making generations slaves to the system...

 

[Sean Renaud]

How does one eliminate poverty?

From what they say about you on this board, the only thing you are looking for is a free handout. So how does that end poverty? Clearly, we've been giving hand outs and the only thing this has accomplished is making generations slaves to the system...

I said alleviate.

and yes free handouts. It doesn't make slaves of the system and if it does better slaves to the system than slaves to the man anyway.

 

[AshleyBeckem]

I said alleviate.

and yes free handouts. It doesn't make slaves of the system and if it does better slaves to the system than slaves to the man anyway.

I see. Clearly you lack intelligence....for if you were a man of substance or intelligence you would realize that anything 'free' has ZERO value. It's the same thing as lottery winners that go bankrupt...and yes its a high percentage.

Free/handouts/welfare is the wrong solution.

People need to work for 'it' otherwise they have no respect for 'it'

 

[Kitty]

I see. Clearly you lack intelligence....for if you were a man of substance or intelligence you would realize that anything 'free' has ZERO value. It's the same thing as lottery winners that go bankrupt...and yes its a high percentage.

Free/handouts/welfare is the wrong solution.

People need to work for 'it' otherwise they have no respect for 'it'

I know of people from all backgrounds who are thugging who are very intelligent and seriously, the lack of will is a huge kryptonite to progress. I always ask them what holds you back from a proper job and college? They literally say they have no clue and just keep with the petty amassing crimes.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I see. Clearly you lack intelligence....for if you were a man of substance or intelligence you would realize that anything 'free' has ZERO value. It's the same thing as lottery winners that go bankrupt...and yes its a high percentage.

Free/handouts/welfare is the wrong solution.

People need to work for 'it' otherwise they have no respect for 'it'

No, something that is 'free' does not have zero value. That's capitalist bullshit. But I'll be sure to tell your family that they have no value.

That is not the reason lottery winners go bankrupt. They go bankrupt because people who have never had money before or are used to living paycheck to paycheck will continue to that. Dumping a ton of money on their head won't change who they are especially not overnight. That's the result of a lifetime of habits building up.

Free/handouts/welfare is certainly part of the right solution. And we've benefited from doing just that and the rest of the world is benefiting more by doing more of it and smarter.

I'm not sure that people having respect for 'it' whatever 'it' is necessary for anything. I mean how much do you honestly worry about roving bandits coming into your house raping and killing your family?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

wow, you are one stupid asshole

No, something that is 'free' does not have zero value. That's capitalist bullshit. But I'll be sure to tell your family that they have no value.

That is not the reason lottery winners go bankrupt. They go bankrupt because people who have never had money before or are used to living paycheck to paycheck will continue to that. Dumping a ton of money on their head won't change who they are especially not overnight. That's the result of a lifetime of habits building up.

Free/handouts/welfare is certainly part of the right solution. And we've benefited from doing just that and the rest of the world is benefiting more by doing more of it and smarter.

I'm not sure that people having respect for 'it' whatever 'it' is necessary for anything. I mean how much do you honestly worry about roving bandits coming into your house raping and killing your family?

 

[Kitty]

wow, you are one stupid asshole

At least he's not alone.

 

[smoothg103rd]

@Sean. I will like to change my view on you. You are still a bitch, bitch ass, fuckboy. But you are a smart ,bitch ass fuckboy.

 

[Kitty]

@Sean. I will like to change my view on you. You are still a bitch, bitch ass, fuckboy. But you are a smart ,bitch ass fuckboy.

How did you come to such a conclusion.

 

[smoothg103rd]

How did you come to such a conclusion.

What he is saying, is like the thing that makes sense to me here. ( besides your pic) So he got to be smart to make, someone like me understand.

 

[Kitty]

What he is saying, is like the thing that makes sense to me here. ( besides your pic) So he got to be smart to make, someone like me understand.

What have you been up to today, your wording is off, bae.

 

[possum123]

I know of people from all backgrounds who are thugging who are very intelligent and seriously, the lack of will is a huge kryptonite to progress. I always ask them what holds you back from a proper job and college? They literally say they have no clue and just keep with the petty amassing crimes.

From my experience a person makes the decision early that crime is easier than a job. When people are young they tend to think that way. They find out later that it is false but by then it is too late for them.
If they would have had some adults that cared enough to make the decisions for them until they matured enough to make sensible decisions for themselves they may have chose a different path.
I am talking about all races.

 

[smoothg103rd]

What have you been up to today, your wording is off, bae.

Woke up to a couple of free pills. What's the problem?

 

[Kitty]

Woke up to a couple of free pills. What's the problem?

Can you stop. http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/images/smilies/console.gif

 

[Sean Renaud]

From my experience a person makes the decision early that crime is easier than a job. When people are young they tend to think that way. They find out later that it is false but by then it is too late for them.
If they would have had some adults that cared enough to make the decisions for them until they matured enough to make sensible decisions for themselves they may have chose a different path.
I am talking about all races.

They don't always find out that it's false because it's not always false. Granted it's legal(ish) now but I know the guy who sells my cousin's weed makes way, way more money than he would any other fucking way.

A significant amount of the adults were either taken via the War on Drugs or driven from the home by Welfare Reform.

 

[smoothg103rd]

From my experience a person makes the decision early that crime is easier than a job. When people are young they tend to think that way. They find out later that it is false but by then it is too late for them.
If they would have had some adults that cared enough to make the decisions for them until they matured enough to make sensible decisions for themselves they may have chose a different path.
I am talking about all races.

Not all the time. Some don't start committing crimes, until their 20s. They try to live the righteous life, but realize they still are struggling. And see crime as a way out. I was in the holding cell with this 35 year old man (forgot where he was from). And he was telling me how he went to college, and all that good shit. But was still struggling, and how the life of crime must not be for him. Because that was his first time committing a crime, and he got caught. He never told me what he did, but this just proves my point. Not all us criminals, start off at a young age.

 

[possum123]

Not all the time. Some don't start committing crimes, until their 20s. They try to live the righteous life, but realize they still are struggling. And see crime as a way out. I was in the holding cell with this 35 year old man (forgot where he was from). And he was telling me how he went to college, and all that good shit. But was still struggling, and how the life of crime must not be for him. Because that was his first time committing a crime, and he got caught. He never told me what he did, but this just proves my point. Not all us criminals, start off at a young age.

No, not all do but quite a few start a life of crime before they learn any other way.
I can remember being in a cell with an elderly man. He wasn't really that old, I was older, but he had a very rough life. His crimes started out with petty theft. Got him a little spending money and he decided he didn't need to go to school.
For the next 40 years he spent more time in jail than he did free.
He had been in the holding sell for nearly 2 years. He kept telling us he would get out soon. He did leave before I got out but it was to another cell. He will never be free again.

 

[Sean Renaud]

When someone does that most likely they felt they didn't have other options. I'm not gonna say NOBODY because then you'll bring up some celebrity who got caught shoplifting but in general kids don't go steal games when they can ask mommy and daddy to pick them up. You might occasionally get someone like me where I've been known to steal shiny or spinny things from stores but I didn't "steal" them, I walked out the store without paying. They sound the same I know, but the reason I stole that pair of scissors was I put them around my finger and started spinning them, and then I walked around the store spinning them. And then I walked out the store, spinning them. And then about half way home it was like "oh. . .fuck. I did not give them money in exchange for goods did I?" But in general these choices aren't made by people who think they have better ones.

As for the $200 dollar jeans and watches (and this doesn't entirely excuse it but it does partially explain it.) lets put this in perspective for a moment and remember that we as a society respect swag. A $200 dollar pair of jeans (shudder, I can't fathom paying more than $30 bucks for jeans) is $2000 dollars. A new low end car is 12k. You wanna do the math on how many jeans you need to give up to get that Corola? Or if you want to talk about cars people don't need how many Escalades it takes to get to a house. The reality is that you NOT getting some of these horrible luxury things is not realisticlaly stopping you from taking the next step. If you were able to take the next step these splurges wouldn't show up on radar and if you can't our society trains us to feel damn good about having accomplished that.

 

[RjThoughts]

Just read the laws.
Is it true that a colored person with lower grades is given preference over other races when they apply for college?
Is it true that on govt. job applications people who are colored get points for their color only?
Doesn't the govt. force companies to hire a certain % of colored people?
Doesn't the govt. give preference on govt. contracts to companies owned by colored people?

Why do they do that?

Colored? Really? How old are you? 70? 80?

No one is given any more preference in hiring than anyone else, except here in NY where if you hire vets you receive a tax break.

No, you cannot hire on the color of your skin, like you can not hire someone for the same reason.

 

[Busybody]

Hussein Obola et all call em communities of colot

that makes em colored "people"

btw, what does the C in

NAACP

stand for?

 

[Kitty]

Colored? Really? How old are you? 70? 80?

No one is given any more preference in hiring than anyone else, except here in NY where if you hire vets you receive a tax break.

No, you cannot hire on the color of your skin, like you can not hire someone for the same reason.

lol I know right. No, he's being obnoxiously bigoted. Mama probably didn't hug him growing up and his dad probably punked him all the time.

 

[possum123]

Colored? Really? How old are you? 70? 80?

No one is given any more preference in hiring than anyone else, except here in NY where if you hire vets you receive a tax break.

No, you cannot hire on the color of your skin, like you can not hire someone for the same reason.

Take a good look at the application for any govt. job.
Colored people get the same preference as the vets.
I don't think some of the people in this discussion has ever had a job.