So THAT’S how they did it! O-care enrollment data got a boost from dental plans
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Report: ObamaCare numbers boosted by dental plan enrollments
The Obama administration’s much-touted enrollment figure of 7.3 million includes nearly a half-million people who have only purchased dental plans, the House Oversight Committee has found.
Without the 400,000 people enrolled in dental-only plans, the total enrollment for ObamaCare drops to 6.97 million, according an investigation by the committee, which was first reported by Bloomberg News.
“Instead of offering the public an accurate accounting, the administration engaged in an effort to obscure and downplay the number of dropouts,” Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the committee, wrote in a statement to Bloomberg.
Enrollment figures have strayed from the initial 8 million who signed up during the first year of enrollment, as some opted not to pay and were dropped from their plans.
The head of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) announced in September that 7.3 million people were paying for coverage, a figure that was largely seen as good news for the administration because it surpassed earlier government estimates. Even the adjusted number of 6.97 million remains significantly higher than the Affordable Care Act's strongest detractors predicted, however.
The Oversight Committee then requested a breakdown of the data and learned that it had included dental plans, though the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) had previously reported dental plans separately.
In a May report, the HHS wrote that “to the extent possible, duplication associated with standalone dental plan selection has been removed from the data shown in this table.”
About one-third of people who have bought the dental plans are under the age of 34 — a key demographic for ObamaCare as it looks to balance more costly care for seniors and people with preexisting conditions.
“A mistake was made in calculating the number of individuals with effectuated Marketplace enrollments. We have determined that individuals who had both Marketplace medical and dental coverage were erroneously counted in our recent announcements," said HHS spokesman Ben Wakana.
"The correct number of individuals with effectuated Marketplace medical coverage as of October 15 is approximately 6.7 million. Our target for 2015 open enrollment remains 9.1 million individuals. Moving forward only individuals with medical coverage will be included in our effectuated enrollment numbers.”
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Initially, the Congressional Budget Office predicted that health insurance plans associated with the Affordable Care Act would attract at least 7 million enrollees. After a number of problems with state and federal enrollment websites surfaced in late 2013, the CBO amended its projection down to 6 million.
When the ACA reportedly reached 8 million enrollees after repeatedly extending the deadline for the close of open enrollment in the spring of 2014, the left celebrated.
“Eight million people have signed up for private insurance plans through the new federal and state marketplaces. And within the federal marketplaces, 28 percent of enrollees are ages 18 to 34,” The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohen crowed. “This is good news—very, very good news.”
“Given where the law started in October, that is utterly insane,” a flabbergasted Ezra Klein wrote.
“Obamacare hit its enrollment target because it was selling something that at least 8 million people wanted: affordable health insurance,” Vox’s self-satisfied Sarah Kliff concurred.
There were far less ebullient about the Affordable Care Act’s enrollment figures when they were revised down significantly from over 8 million to just 7.1 million in October. Just days later, the CBO announced another downward revision of 2015’s expected new enrollees from just under an additional 6 million this year to fewer than 3 million.
Today, the cheerleaders at the nation’s leading liberal publications were again disappointed to learn that the administration had deceived them into reporting that the Affordable Care Act had reached even that revised enrollment goal
“The Obama administration included as many as 400,000 dental plans in a number it reported for enrollments under the Affordable Care Act, an unpublicized detail that helped surpass a goal for 7 million sign-ups,” Bloomberg reported on Thursday. “Without the dental plans, the federal government would have had 6.97 million people with medical insurance under the law known as Obamacare, investigators for the House Oversight and Government Reform committee calculated, using data they obtained from the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.”
Federal officials said in September they had 7.3 million people enrolled in coverage through new government-run insurance exchanges. They didn’t distinguish between medical and dental plans, breaking from previous practice without notice.
Blending dental and medical plans let the administration assert that enrollment remained greater than 7 million, the original projection of the Congressional Budget Office. The move also partly obscured the attrition of more than 1 million in the number of people enrolled in medical insurance.
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The administration had supplied information about dental plans separately in earlier disclosures. In May, the government reported that 8 million were signed up for health plans and 1.1 million were in dental coverage.
Contrary to the claims of Health and Human Services Sec. Sylvia Burwell, who told NBC’s Chuck Todd that she was “focused on transparency,” Bloomberg reported that even Medicaid’s enrollment figures have become “less transparent” since September.
This betrayal has not gone unnoticed by the health care reform law’s most persistent defenders:
Those on the left who are more predisposed to offer honest appraisals of the relative success of the Affordable Care Act are far less artificially sanguine about its future prospects. In this small circle, a Brookings Institution study which found that Obamacare will have a negative effect on the incomes of eight-tenths of the American public is inspiring fits of depression.
“Obviously there’s more to this, and Gardner discusses some of the other electoral implications of Obamacare in his post,” Mother Jones columnist Kevin Drum concluded in a post addressing this condition. “But the bottom line is simple: like most of the social welfare programs championed by Democrats, Obamacare is primarily aimed at the poor. Once again, the working and middle classes are left on the outside looking in.”
The Affordable Care Act’s persistent unpopularity is due not to a communications failure on the part of the administration, as the credulous left comforts itself, but due entirely to its real effects on the public and the scaffolding of lies which have up to now kept the law from imploding. Those structures erected to keep this law from collapsing are starting to fail.
Initially, the Congressional Budget Office predicted that health insurance plans associated with the Affordable Care Act would attract at least 7 million enrollees. After a number of problems with state and federal enrollment websites surfaced in late 2013, the CBO amended its projection down to 6 million.
When the ACA reportedly reached 8 million enrollees after repeatedly extending the deadline for the close of open enrollment in the spring of 2014, the left celebrated.
“Eight million people have signed up for private insurance plans through the new federal and state marketplaces. And within the federal marketplaces, 28 percent of enrollees are ages 18 to 34,” The New Republic’s Jonathan Cohen crowed. “This is good news—very, very good news.”
“Given where the law started in October, that is utterly insane,” a flabbergasted Ezra Klein wrote.
“Obamacare hit its enrollment target because it was selling something that at least 8 million people wanted: affordable health insurance,” Vox’s self-satisfied Sarah Kliff concurred.
There were far less ebullient about the Affordable Care Act’s enrollment figures when they were revised down significantly from over 8 million to just 7.1 million in October. Just days later, the CBO announced another downward revision of 2015’s expected new enrollees from just under an additional 6 million this year to fewer than 3 million.
Today, the cheerleaders at the nation’s leading liberal publications were again disappointed to learn that the administration had deceived them into reporting that the Affordable Care Act had reached even that revised enrollment goal
“The Obama administration included as many as 400,000 dental plans in a number it reported for enrollments under the Affordable Care Act, an unpublicized detail that helped surpass a goal for 7 million sign-ups,” Bloomberg reported on Thursday. “Without the dental plans, the federal government would have had 6.97 million people with medical insurance under the law known as Obamacare, investigators for the House Oversight and Government Reform committee calculated, using data they obtained from the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.”
Federal officials said in September they had 7.3 million people enrolled in coverage through new government-run insurance exchanges. They didn’t distinguish between medical and dental plans, breaking from previous practice without notice.
Blending dental and medical plans let the administration assert that enrollment remained greater than 7 million, the original projection of the Congressional Budget Office. The move also partly obscured the attrition of more than 1 million in the number of people enrolled in medical insurance.
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The administration had supplied information about dental plans separately in earlier disclosures. In May, the government reported that 8 million were signed up for health plans and 1.1 million were in dental coverage.
Contrary to the claims of Health and Human Services Sec. Sylvia Burwell, who told NBC’s Chuck Todd that she was “focused on transparency,” Bloomberg reported that even Medicaid’s enrollment figures have become “less transparent” since September.
This betrayal has not gone unnoticed by the health care reform law’s most persistent defenders:
Those on the left who are more predisposed to offer honest appraisals of the relative success of the Affordable Care Act are far less artificially sanguine about its future prospects. In this small circle, a Brookings Institution study which found that Obamacare will have a negative effect on the incomes of eight-tenths of the American public is inspiring fits of depression.
“Obviously there’s more to this, and Gardner discusses some of the other electoral implications of Obamacare in his post,” Mother Jones columnist Kevin Drum concluded in a post addressing this condition. “But the bottom line is simple: like most of the social welfare programs championed by Democrats, Obamacare is primarily aimed at the poor. Once again, the working and middle classes are left on the outside looking in.”
The Affordable Care Act’s persistent unpopularity is due not to a communications failure on the part of the administration, as the credulous left comforts itself, but due entirely to its real effects on the public and the scaffolding of lies which have up to now kept the law from imploding. Those structures erected to keep this law from collapsing are starting to fail.
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Media Matters said this
#OOPSIE
Meet The Obamacare Enrollment Truthers
On the final day of open enrollment for the Affordable Care Act, right-wing media have resorted to echoing Republicans and accusing the White House of "cooking the books" on the latest enrollment figures.
As Affordable Care Act Enrollment May Hit 7 Million By Deadline, Republicans Are In Denial
Bloomberg: "Early Returns Suggesting The Obama Administration May Approach The 7 Million Sign-Ups" Originally Expected. On March 31 Bloomberg reported that "he government last week said 6 million Americans had enrolled by March 27, and today reported that 2.9 million people visited healthcare.gov over the weekend." [Bloomberg, 3/31/14]
The New Republic: Republicans Insist New Enrollment Figures Aren't Real, Claim Administration Is "Cooking The Books." After noting the latest projections of nearly 7 million enrollees, The New Republic's Jonathan Cohn wrote:
Even accounting for the fact that some of these people won't actually pay their premiums, these figures would seem to undermine--or at least weaken--the argument that Obamacare is a catastrophic failure. Republicans and many of their allies obviously think otherwise. They are doing what they almost always do when data confounds their previously held beliefs. They are challenging the statistics--primarily, by suggesting that most of the people getting insurance already had coverage. Some, like Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming, say the administration is "cooking the books." Others, like Senator Ted Cruz, say that the number of people without insurance is actually rising. [The New Republic, 3/31/14]
Right-Wing Media Echo GOP, Accuse White House Of "Cooking The Books" On ACA Enrollment Figures
Sean Hannity: "They Are Cooking The Books On This Thing." On the March 31 edition of his radio show, Sean Hannity claimed that "millions of Obamacare applicants appeared out of thin air" and accused the White House of "cooking the books" in his attack on the health care law. [Premiere Radio Networks, The Sean Hannity Show, 3/31/14]
Fox's The Five Questioned How "Magically They Hit The Number." On the March 31 edition of Fox News' The Five, co-hosts Kimberly Guilfoyle and Eric Bolling touted Sen. John Barrasso's (R-WY) claim that the administration is "cooking the books" while mocking the White House claim that 6 million Americans have already enrolled. Guilfoyle asked how "magically they hit the number" while Bolling said "we don't know how many people have actually signed up, we have to take people's words for it." [Fox News, The Five, 3/31/14]
Rush Limbaugh: "When Have They Not Lied About Obamacare?" On the March 31 edition of his radio show, Rush Limbaugh doubted the enrollment figures and asked, "why should anybody believe it, why can't the government prove it?" Limbaugh insisted that "the real question is, when have they not lied about Obamacare?" [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/31/14]
But The Enrollment Numbers Include Figures From States, Not Just The White House
Los Angeles Times' Hiltzik: "The Most Encouraging Figures Don't Come From The Federal Government At All, but From States With Their Own Enrollment Programs." In a March 31 post, Los Angeles Times columnist Michael Hiltzik explained that accusations of the White House "cooking the books" ignore the fact that many people enrolled through state-based exchanges and not the federally-run HealthCare.gov:
What makes this claim particularly fatuous is that the most encouraging figures don't come from the federal government at all, but from states with their own enrollment programs. The eight states with the best records of signing up their eligible citizens in exchange plans (actually seven states and D.C.), all have their own exchanges and websites. Vermont leads the parade at 83% enrolled. California, which leads all states in number of exchange enrollees at more than 1 million, ranks fourth with a 41% outreach rate.
If the feds are cooking the books, they've cooked them to look worse, not better -- the 36 states that dumped their enrollment responsibilities on the federal government are clustered at the bottom of the list, most of them with enrollment rates of 20% or less of eligible citizens. Many of these are states that actively discouraged or interfered with enrollments of their citizens in health insurance plans -- behavior that should be grounds for impeachment or recall of their governors and legislators. [Los Angeles Times, 3/31/14]
#OOPSIE
Meet The Obamacare Enrollment Truthers
On the final day of open enrollment for the Affordable Care Act, right-wing media have resorted to echoing Republicans and accusing the White House of "cooking the books" on the latest enrollment figures.
As Affordable Care Act Enrollment May Hit 7 Million By Deadline, Republicans Are In Denial
Bloomberg: "Early Returns Suggesting The Obama Administration May Approach The 7 Million Sign-Ups" Originally Expected. On March 31 Bloomberg reported that "he government last week said 6 million Americans had enrolled by March 27, and today reported that 2.9 million people visited healthcare.gov over the weekend." [Bloomberg, 3/31/14]
The New Republic: Republicans Insist New Enrollment Figures Aren't Real, Claim Administration Is "Cooking The Books." After noting the latest projections of nearly 7 million enrollees, The New Republic's Jonathan Cohn wrote:
Even accounting for the fact that some of these people won't actually pay their premiums, these figures would seem to undermine--or at least weaken--the argument that Obamacare is a catastrophic failure. Republicans and many of their allies obviously think otherwise. They are doing what they almost always do when data confounds their previously held beliefs. They are challenging the statistics--primarily, by suggesting that most of the people getting insurance already had coverage. Some, like Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming, say the administration is "cooking the books." Others, like Senator Ted Cruz, say that the number of people without insurance is actually rising. [The New Republic, 3/31/14]
Right-Wing Media Echo GOP, Accuse White House Of "Cooking The Books" On ACA Enrollment Figures
Sean Hannity: "They Are Cooking The Books On This Thing." On the March 31 edition of his radio show, Sean Hannity claimed that "millions of Obamacare applicants appeared out of thin air" and accused the White House of "cooking the books" in his attack on the health care law. [Premiere Radio Networks, The Sean Hannity Show, 3/31/14]
Fox's The Five Questioned How "Magically They Hit The Number." On the March 31 edition of Fox News' The Five, co-hosts Kimberly Guilfoyle and Eric Bolling touted Sen. John Barrasso's (R-WY) claim that the administration is "cooking the books" while mocking the White House claim that 6 million Americans have already enrolled. Guilfoyle asked how "magically they hit the number" while Bolling said "we don't know how many people have actually signed up, we have to take people's words for it." [Fox News, The Five, 3/31/14]
Rush Limbaugh: "When Have They Not Lied About Obamacare?" On the March 31 edition of his radio show, Rush Limbaugh doubted the enrollment figures and asked, "why should anybody believe it, why can't the government prove it?" Limbaugh insisted that "the real question is, when have they not lied about Obamacare?" [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 3/31/14]
But The Enrollment Numbers Include Figures From States, Not Just The White House
Los Angeles Times' Hiltzik: "The Most Encouraging Figures Don't Come From The Federal Government At All, but From States With Their Own Enrollment Programs." In a March 31 post, Los Angeles Times columnist Michael Hiltzik explained that accusations of the White House "cooking the books" ignore the fact that many people enrolled through state-based exchanges and not the federally-run HealthCare.gov:
What makes this claim particularly fatuous is that the most encouraging figures don't come from the federal government at all, but from states with their own enrollment programs. The eight states with the best records of signing up their eligible citizens in exchange plans (actually seven states and D.C.), all have their own exchanges and websites. Vermont leads the parade at 83% enrolled. California, which leads all states in number of exchange enrollees at more than 1 million, ranks fourth with a 41% outreach rate.
If the feds are cooking the books, they've cooked them to look worse, not better -- the 36 states that dumped their enrollment responsibilities on the federal government are clustered at the bottom of the list, most of them with enrollment rates of 20% or less of eligible citizens. Many of these are states that actively discouraged or interfered with enrollments of their citizens in health insurance plans -- behavior that should be grounds for impeachment or recall of their governors and legislators. [Los Angeles Times, 3/31/14]
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How many of the enrollees are or were people who had their own plans but were compelled, contrary to Obama's repeated promises, to give up their plans? Are any of these people counted as enrollees?
I guess that depends on whom you ask. https://www.google.com/search?sourc...bamacare+enrollees+previously+insured&start=0
I do notice, however, even the staunch supporters of Obamacare concede that only 60% were not insured. This means, using the most optimistic calculation, about 40% were not. Rounding up to seven million claimed enrollees, which does not include only dental, there are 4.2 million new enrollees.
I don't know how many of those were illegal aliens or how many signed up for Medicaid or how many have failed to pay their premiums but I do know this: Those who made the rosy predictions of what Obamacare will do make Pollyanna look kike a pessimist.
I guess that depends on whom you ask. https://www.google.com/search?sourc...bamacare+enrollees+previously+insured&start=0
I do notice, however, even the staunch supporters of Obamacare concede that only 60% were not insured. This means, using the most optimistic calculation, about 40% were not. Rounding up to seven million claimed enrollees, which does not include only dental, there are 4.2 million new enrollees.
I don't know how many of those were illegal aliens or how many signed up for Medicaid or how many have failed to pay their premiums but I do know this: Those who made the rosy predictions of what Obamacare will do make Pollyanna look kike a pessimist.
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That and "butthurt" are his standard responses when The Fraud gets caught lying or deliberately misleading the American people.
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FatFuckDownSouth calling someone a liar...perfect.
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He won't acknowledge you now... you have disputed the government numbers! We all know the government numbers are always the truth
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