Ominous prediction indeed.

[kbate]

Gasoline was $1.86 on BO's first day.

It was $1.59 when Bush took office and went to $4.10 under him.

 

[PayDay]

It was $1.59 when Bush took office and went to $4.10 under him.

Are you trying to start arguments based on conjecture?

Why are you so angry?

 

[PayDay]

I'll ask again kbate: since you skipped right past it, or ignored it, I think:

#650: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62306243&postcount=650

So this is at kbate: Could you frame the argument of these three posts into one complete statement?
I'm having a hard time understanding what your point is, it seems like partisan angst but there's something good here:

#358: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62250203&postcount=358

and you sound more and more like a Rush Limbaugh tape.

You still cling to the "No increase in prices despite all of these jobs having to go under American Labor laws" story while at the same time you and your 'bros' claim that a higher minimum wage will raise prices and destroy jobs".

So now how do you wish to reconcile your two theories about wages, job creation and market price?

Or is it just the, "That's another thread" thing?

Or do you also demand repeal of the minimum wage along with the expulsion order for 20 million illegals and while you're at it an end to social security, medicare, workman's comp and all taxes?

#363: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62250983&postcount=363

Who makes the minimum is irrelevant to this thread, but you're wrong about that claim as well.

Other wages do not track the minimum wage, in fact more jobs are dropped to the minimum than receive wage increases upon a government mandated raise the wage. Those who made 9 an hour will continue to make 9 an hour if the minimum wage becomes 9 an hour. The few who are worth more, will get raises 6 to 9 months after a minimum wage hike.

But nice try and nice red herring.

Dead right on the bold.---^ There is already some threads for that. I link'd them.

#277: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62218915&postcount=277

So you in your good time-honoured libertarian fashion wish to use government force to prevent labour from selling itself cheaply. No, you want to go full socialist and blame the management for being greedy dog-eat-dog tactics. If someone is willing to work for less, isn't it stupid for management to pay more?

The least amount a worker is willing to accept to do the labour is the value of the work. Isn't that the purity of John Galt's message?

If Americans wouldn't demand higher wages for work valued lower - then they would have those jobs and the illegals wouldn't be here at all. That's the entire economic theory you espouse. Labour deserves nothing except the price the labour market demands.

If you press companies to pay "living wages" while cheaper work is available, won't they follow your advice in the minimum wage thread and move to where labour is cheap?

...and then there is #287:

Yes indeed. 20 million will simply pack up and go home. Party's over.

there's some "right thinking".

I guess you plan to shoot them if they don't go.

I lol'd at this---^ and not in a mean way. We already have Law Enforcement in place the remedies this. On this one point I must disagree, getting rid of illegals would be no worse than a tune up on a used car. This isn't a partisan issue as it is a law enforcement issue.

 

[kbate]

Are you trying to start arguments based on conjecture?

Why are you so angry?

You took that to be angry?

You tried to show great price increases by using the ten year low point in order to say that "Obama policy caused this!".

I gave no conjecture, I gave you a simple fact.

 

[PayDay]

You took that to be angry?

You tried to show great price increases by using the ten year low point in order to say that "Obama policy caused this!".

I gave no conjecture, I gave you a simple fact.

Pure assumption. You brought Bush into this in an attempt to shift blame and point fingers elsewhere.

It was 1.86 when BO started. What is it now?

Why is that?

 

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[kbate]

I'll ask again kbate: since you skipped right past it, or ignored it, I think:

#650: http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62306243&postcount=650

I never read your posts. Sorry, but that's just how it is. The format you chose makes them a pain to read, with text hidden in blocks of quoted material.

I am simply asking the OP to reconcile the beliefs (from multiple threads). He has posted diametrically opposing attitudes towards the low-wage labour market.

When the president and democrats talk about minimum wage - the battle line is "Lost jobs, Higher product prices". When he talked about removing illegals from low wage jobs and filling them with higher wage American workers, he claimed, "no lost jobs, no higher product prices." You may notice that he never attempted to answer me because he is wrong on ALL counts.

The other bit. He claims that if we make it impossible to easily employ illegals by making it a felony, that they will simply leave. I consider that nearly laughable. He also comes up with no way to remove them. The 11 to 20 million is a large number, and we have nowhere near the enforcement apparatus to evict that number of people without violence and keeping them out is just as unlikely without turning into a complete police state.

Nobody wants that except the extremists.

Which is why we cannot pass an immigration bill, because we are so divided in this nation that something between Ishmael's plan (draconian enforcement on all parties involved) and my plan (deport criminals, don't deport workers and give them a path to become legal. Register, waiting list, taxes, established residence) is impossible to create. Republicans like a dog to kick, Gays, Women, Illegals. Democrats like a dog also, but they prefer to spoil it. Neither wants a realistic solution.

Sending them back where they came from when being imprisoned here is better than their lot in many places isn't a real option.

I am not angry, I find most of this hilarious. Watching people bring Lenin, Mises, "national death", teenagers, and the kitchen sink to the table to prove that illegal aliens are the debil makes me laugh.

 

[kbate]

Here's another right wing rag for you. Get rid of your denial, and get a clue:

So, how do these regulations help the planet?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/e...hanks-to-epa-coal-regulations/article/2543871

To Soar? When? Over the next decade? Next Century? Tomorrow night?

OH MY, Alarm!

Or are you angry about the billions being doled out to coal from the taxpayer?

 

[kbate]

Pure assumption. You brought Bush into this in an attempt to shift blame and point fingers elsewhere.

It was 1.86 when BO started. What is it now?

Why is that?

That is because the demand dropped and we had a glut of oil in January 2009. Demand dropped because of the recession, fewer goods moving, fewer people working, fewer houses being built. Thus, price dropped. Price climbed as the recession wound down. The low price was the anomaly, not today's price.

Which Barack Obama policy drove the price up? How? Why did it also then climb under George W. Bush if it was an Obama policy change which caused the rise you quoted.

 

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[kbate]

I'm angry at the scope of the regulations that precipitated the need for those loans. The next Congress will limit the regulatory authority of the EPA.

Yes, because clean air is the debil.

 

[PayDay]

I never read your posts. Sorry, but that's just how it is. The format you chose makes them a pain to read, with text hidden in blocks of quoted material.

Your loss.

I am simply asking the OP to reconcile the beliefs (from multiple threads). He has posted diametrically opposing attitudes towards the low-wage labour market.

Pictures or it didn't happen.

When the president and democrats talk about minimum wage - the battle line is "Lost jobs, Higher product prices"

Truth, I already posted how to find this info when talking about the 'Bush' recession.

When he talked about removing illegals from low wage jobs and filling them with higher wage American workers, he claimed, "no lost jobs, no higher product prices." You may notice that he never attempted to answer me because he is wrong on ALL counts.

He did. Maybe you skimmed right past it like you do my posts. I even asked him to clarify it, then we started talking about China. You should re read the thread. "The devil is in the details" as Ishmael would say.

The other bit. He claims that if we make it impossible to easily employ illegals by making it a felony, that they will simply leave. I consider that nearly laughable. He also comes up with no way to remove them. The 11 to 20 million is a large number, and we have nowhere near the enforcement apparatus to evict that number of people without violence and keeping them out is just as unlikely without turning into a complete police state.

This is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but existing law enforcement can easily do this job.

Nobody wants that except the extremists.

"Nobody but extremists wants" to legalize them. Ever heard of the "La Raza" lobby?

Which is why we cannot pass an immigration bill, because we are so divided in this nation that something between Ishmael's plan (draconian enforcement on all parties involved) and my plan (deport criminals, don't deport workers and give them a path to become legal. Register, waiting list, taxes, established residence) is impossible to create. Republicans like a dog to kick, Gays, Women, Illegals. Democrats like a dog also, but they prefer to spoil it. Neither wants a realistic solution.

Partisan bullhooey. We don't need an immigration bill. It's ALL lies.
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=62344863&postcount=3

Sending them back where they came from when being imprisoned here is better than their lot in many places isn't a real option.

What basis of proof do you have for that? If I wanted to live in the Bahamas I couldn't just go there and expect to be taken care of.

I am not angry, I find most of this hilarious. Watching people bring Lenin, Mises, "national death", teenagers, and the kitchen sink to the table to prove that illegal aliens are the debil makes me laugh.

Yet you have never made an actual "This is what I believe" statement backed up by facts. If this is a joke to you, that explains everything you have posted here.

If you are not joking, why is this hilarious?

Better yet, why are you here with angry cynicism? Because using jokes and laughing as a weapon is just that.

....and I thought you could've been cool, Just attack attack laugh laugh attack.

Maybe it's because you don't understand the concepts of which some speak.

No I am not a Republican or a Libertarian.

 

[PayDay]

Yes, because clean air is the debil.

Stupid cynicism. How does carbon dioxide hurt the atmosphere if it feeds plants which turn that carbon dioxide into oxygen?

He's not talking industrial revolution soot there.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Pure assumption. You brought Bush into this in an attempt to shift blame and point fingers elsewhere.

It was 1.86 when BO started. What is it now?

Why is that?

God this is stupid. Borderline Queerbait stupid.

You're using the Fallacy of the Small Sample: During the depths of Bush Recession, the price of gas plummeted to 1.86 briefly as the number of Americans out of work increased.

If you look at the average price of gas during the last 4 years of the failed Dubya regime, or even one year, you'd see that the average price of gas was higher during the Dubya adminsitration.

Don't go full Queerbait on us. It's unmanly.

 

[PayDay]

God this is stupid. Borderline Queerbait stupid.

You're using the Fallacy of the Small Sample: During the depths of Bush Recession, the price of gas plummeted to 1.86 briefly as the number of Americans out of work increased.

If you look at the average price of gas during the last 4 years of the failed Dubya regime, or even one year, you'd see that the average price of gas was higher during the Dubya adminsitration.

Don't go full Queerbait on us. It's unmanly.

So you have nothing to say? Gotcha.

Also: Thought you had me on ignore...

 

[Ishmael]

Yes, because clean air is the debil.

Just how clean do you think it should be?

Ishmael

 

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[RobDownSouth]

Tell that to India and the Chinese.

Guess you missed the announcement yesterday.

 

[PayDay]

Guess you missed the announcement yesterday.

rofl. You're fucking retarded. Then is not Now. Also debunked.

Cool story bro.

 

[RobDownSouth]

So you have nothing to say? Gotcha.

Also: Thought you had me on ignore...

You don't like my answer? Gotcha.

Sometimes your innate stupidity transcends ignore. You threw us the proverbial hanging curve ball and it was just too tempting not to take a swing and put it into the cheap seats.

So take your beatdown like the man your daddy wanted you to be, not the sissy your mama raised.

 

[RobDownSouth]

rofl. You're fucking retarded. Then is not Now. Also debunked.

Cool story bro.

Looks like Vetty's auditioning replacements to fill the shoes of his dearly departed Boo Boo Bear.

 

[PayDay]

Just how clean do you think it should be?

Ishmael

Also volcano pollution.

 

[PayDay]

Looks like Vetty's auditioning replacements to fill the shoes of his dearly departed Boo Boo Bear.

Pssht. I don't know that guy, or you, or vette.

This thread is called a conversation of multiple posters.

You only contribute hate spew and you lie cause you said you had me on ignore.

Respond again with nothing to say? What?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Are we really doing the what gas was when Obama took over dance?

 

[PayDay]

Are we really doing the what gas was when Obama took over dance?

No It's about energy costs. Started a page or two back.