Ominous prediction indeed.

[Sean Renaud]

For a crappy survival strategy it's worked rather fantastically for us.

Of course it can go on forever, and what's more is it must go on forever because there is no choice but for it to.

 

[Que]

For a crappy survival strategy it's worked rather fantastically for us.

Of course it can go on forever, and what's more is it must go on forever because there is no choice but for it to.

No it hasn't. We are not as a species becoming more adept at survival and borrowing from the future cannot go on forever. Because math.

 

[PayDay]

Here's a recent zerohedge perfect for this literotica thread.

Nice. Watch this:

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/money.gif

The flat tax: Taxes for pimps, prostitutes, and drug dealers + the IRS is an Illuminati tool
http://www.financialsamurai.com/were-idiots-please-tell-us-a-flat-tax-is-not-fair/

Can someone please give us a rational argument why implementing a Flat Tax system in America is not fair? We don’t know if we can continue posting without thoroughly understanding this issue first. From a percentage basis, each person pays an equal amount of their income towards taxes, and from an absolute basis, richer people pay more!

Why don’t we just start taxing people according to height? The shorter you are, the more you have to pay! Brilliant idea, thanks. *Here’s a commentary from a site that really got me thinking about the word*“comrade”*and the phrase*“melt your pots for bullets.”

http://fairtaxer.com/2013/06/27/fair-tax-vs-flat-income-tax-rate-debated/

What’s funny is the flat tax is still an income tax and will not change the fact that Illegal Immigrants, Drug Dealers, Prostitutes, Corrupt Politicians, and the Underground Economy don’t pay income taxes. The flat tax is still an “honor system” that requires you to tell the IRS (honestly they hope), how much you have earned in the past year.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/08/taxation
http://www.westernjournalism.com/fair-tax-vs-flat-tax-right-america/

Has Legalized Prostitution Turned Germany's Government Into A *Pimp*?A new documentary on German television uncovers the notable tax revenue and nationwide implications of being the "biggest whorehouse in Europe."

http://www.ontheissues.org/News_Flat_Tax.htm

Huckabee said about the FairTax, “Everybody gets in the economy--no more underground economy. Drug dealers, prostitutes, pimps, gamblers, non-Republicans--all of those people out there will be paying taxes. Nobody’s working under the table.”

Huckabee’s suggestion that the FairTax will end the underground economy is highly unlikely. It’s true that pimps and drug dealers will now be taxed when they spend their earnings. But will they really charge johns and junkies sales tax on their purchases It’s a better deal for the person buying the sex or drugs, and a worse deal for the person selling it.

In fact, far from ending the underground economy, there is a real possibility that the FairTax will feed it growth hormones. There would probably be two prices--one you can pay with a check or credit card that includes the FairTax and one you can pay in cash & save 23%. Because there would no longer be any audits of income, tracing such tax evasion would be extremely difficult

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/cain-9-9-9-plan.cfm

*Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 Tax Plan
The Tax Policy Center has estimated the distributional effects of a fully-phased-in version of Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan.

Herman Cain’s plan would eliminate the current individual income tax, corporate income tax, payroll tax, and estate and gift tax and substitute three taxes imposed at a 9 percent rate: 1) a 9 percent “national sales tax” 2) a 9 percent “business flat tax”, and 3) a 9 percent “individual flat tax.” Based on descriptions from the Cain campaign website and Fiscal Associates, the firm that analyzed the proposal for the Cain campaign, we conclude that all three taxes are versions of well-known forms of consumption taxes, although collected in different ways and with a few modifications.1*The bases of all three taxes are essentially the same as the base of a national sales tax.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanlewis/2011/10/13/flat-tax-vs-fair-tax-vs-herman-cains-9-9-9-plan/

Flat Tax Vs. Fair Tax Vs. Herman Cain's 9-9-9 Plan

...and a whole lot more----^

http://www.illuminati-news.com/irs.htm

The Internal Revenue Service is not an agency of the United States government.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/hayes/090410

The Inner Circle, the Elitists, the Powers — any name you want to call them — plan and organize behind closed doors to bring about their global governance, or the New World Order (NWO) or one-world government. To do this, they must push every country to its knees so that the citizenry cannot fight back. America appears to be the last stronghold for them to conquer, and at that, we are already weakened. They employ a slate of techniques to establish the NWO, but behind each of these methods is one basic practice: To instill fear in the masses so that we will rely on the government for safety and protection, and thus yield our rights and freedoms in the process. Below are some of the major means for the Illuminati to achieve their goal, but don't mistake a rose for a rose and attribute everything to them:

When faced with opposition, the Elitists first attempt to overcome by "buying" someone out. If that doesn't work, they resort to discrediting and then harassment in extreme form via endless phone calls, tapping or tracking, or tailing and following as well as putting out negative, disparaging and secret info on them, snooping in their lives and projects. IRS hassles, accusing one of false crimes, negatively doctoring a person's personal and work records are all means for the Illuminati to gain superiority over individuals and to make them cede to their goals. Driving opponents or dissenters mad or to the point of paranoia is one of their prized exercises.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWL2N9gjM3Q
http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-irs-headquarters-maryland/

In this edition of Sinister Sites, we looked at a relatively small amount of items that nonetheless conveyed a massive amount of symbolism. Far from being merely decorative, the art in front of the IRS building in Maryland describes in a symbolic matter the true source of power behind the American (and world) government, its spiritual and political philosophy, its perception of the masses and so forth. But while the symbolism is unmistakably Masonic, your local front-porch Freemasons have nothing to do with the occult elite. Those in power are part of the highest, hidden levels of the order – what we like to call the Illuminati.

"Methinks we be boned."

 

[Sean Renaud]

No it hasn't. We are not as a species becoming more adept at survival and borrowing from the future cannot go on forever. Because math.

Of course we're becoming more adept at survival. Thats why we're leading longer lives. And of course "borrowing from the future" can go on for ever. For starters it's been going on for hundreds if not thousands of years. The very first time someone exchanged worthless rocks instead food or shelter we borrowed from the future and we've never stopped or looked back and why would we? The system works and has work and will continue to work. Sure countries have collapsed but barring one (that some people theorize was caused by a super volcano going off) that nearly wiped us out society has at worst what, stalled during the Middle Ages? And that wasn't global it was barbarians too stupid to work the machines they'd been given.

See the trick is that we're not "borrowing from the future." Such a thing isn't possible in reality. We're putting zeros and ones in computers and little ink spots on peices of paper that say one day someone has to in someway pay for this. But the food is eaten, but buildings built, the wars fought. And not by magical time travelers. By us.

 

[PayDay]

Funny how our (greater) society didn't want to use logic and reason to combat the recent Ebola virus bloop-up and instead used fear, racism, hyperbole and deliberate untruths to distribute discord and sow corrosive propaganda for political coins. Some people got hurt for reals, actually. Some people are continuing to see the fallout from that bullshit.

Some "contribution." As long as you make a wall and as long as enough of those you despise are on the outside of that wall for you toss stones at, that'll be a sufficient "point of living."

Society is a structure and order and means, yes, but it's not "life." Eating, drinking, shitting, pissing, sleeping, waking, moving, breathing, fucking, possibly reproducing, doing all that for as many days as possible to delay the swing-batta-swing of the reaper's scythe, that's life. It's the point of actual life that life will remind you of when you are perilously close to not having life. People will tear that house of cards you call society down and revert to caveman days once you threaten their life. You don't believe me, you go ask Kaci Hickox how many death threats she got towards her person because she wanted society to treat her as a citizen with the due rights society created instead of a supposed and not factual walking petri dish of Thanos juice.

Ebola is deadly. Truth:
https://web.stanford.edu/group/virus/filo/ebor.html

There is much debate, but it can be spread airborne in confined spaces.

But it's 100% not our problem until it is airborne.
Plus, laughably, it has a 50%+ survival rate in a 3rd world country with no medical care or water/sewage.

Read my not for fun thread, if you dare, page 27ish on.

Also: Whatever you do, wash your hands.

 

[PayDay]

Scared of Ebola? Hahahahaha.

Fear the UNIVERSE and THE SUN!!!!!!
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/CASSINI_MISSION_01-3.gif

http://www.cracked.com/article_16817_5-cosmic-events-that-could-kill-you-before-lunch.html

5 Cosmic Events That Could Kill You Before Lunch

http://zidbits.com/2010/12/top-ten-ways-the-universe-can-kill-us-all/
Top 10 Ways The Universe Can Kill Us All:

Something we have no control over (yet) could wipe us all out in a matter of seconds with absolutely no warning. It could happen while you’re sleeping, or even while you’re reading this very article. Sounds a bit sensationalistic, but it’s absolutely true.

...and the there is the Sun:
http://www.universetoday.com/113023/how-many-ways-can-the-sun-kill-you/

How many ways can the Sun kill you?
There’s a terrifying ball of fire a short 150 million km away. Which, in galactic terms, is right on our doorstep. This super-heated ball of plasma-y death, has temperatures and pressures so high that atoms of hydrogen are crushed into helium.

We’ve told ourselves we’re a safe distance away, and generally understate the dangers of being gravitationally bound to a massive ongoing nuclear explosion which is catastrophically larger than anything we’ve ever managed to create here on Earth. We take its warmth and life-giving light for granted, and barely give it a second thought as we sunbathe, or laugh gregariously while frying eggs on sidewalks on days when it’s scorchingly hot out.

Have we been lulled into a false sense of security by an ancient and secret society of bananas crazy sun cultists? Instead of worshiping the giant BBQ death ball, should we be cowering in fear, waiting for the next great solar flare? So, how dangerous is that thing? What are all the ways the Sun could do us in? And how many of them does my insurance cover?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubbla5vA7fc
NASA Facts: http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/14/solar-flares-won’t-kill-earth-nasa-says/
+ Apparently it's inevitable...lawls:
http://www.isciencetimes.com/articles/6086/20130919/sun-life-earth-billion-years-oceans-study.htm

The Sun Will Destroy Life On Earth In 1.75 Billion Years By Drying Up The Oceans, Researchers Say

 

[Sean Renaud]

Ebola is deadly. Truth:
https://web.stanford.edu/group/virus/filo/ebor.html

There is much debate, but it can be spread airborne in confined spaces.

But it's 100% not our problem until it is airborne.
Plus, laughably, it has a 50%+ survival rate in a 3rd world country with no medical care or water/sewage.

Read my not for fun thread, if you dare, page 27ish on.

Also: Whatever you do, wash your hands.

Actually it seemed to become our problem either when white people got it or when it got to America. I mean ebola has been around for years and years. White American comes down and within a month a fucking vaccine?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Actually it seemed to become our problem either when white people got it or when it got to America. I mean ebola has been around for years and years. White American comes down and within a month a fucking vaccine?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9wofiCO961qa6g1m.gif

http://cdn.doandroidsdance.com/assets/2014/02/rob-ford-dancing01.gif

It's good being on top of the food chain, innit?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Insanely good. I mean I'm willing to accept that it might not have been race, it might have been nationality. But holy shit, it's almost like when someone who matters has a problem someone fucking fixes it with a goddamn quickness.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Actually it seemed to become our problem either when white people got it or when it got to America. I mean ebola has been around for years and years. White American comes down and within a month a fucking vaccine?

Blacks eat shit is why.

 

[Que]

Actually it seemed to become our problem either when white people got it or when it got to America. I mean ebola has been around for years and years. White American comes down and within a month a fucking vaccine?

Don't be Zumi-esque. It's when it suddenly spread to a completely new part of Africa where as far as I know it's mostly black people and threatened to become a worldwide problem meaning a drug companies dream in the sense that they would have customers with money for a potential cure.

 

[Que]

Of course we're becoming more adept at survival. Thats why we're leading longer lives. And of course "borrowing from the future" can go on for ever. For starters it's been going on for hundreds if not thousands of years. The very first time someone exchanged worthless rocks instead food or shelter we borrowed from the future and we've never stopped or looked back and why would we? The system works and has work and will continue to work. Sure countries have collapsed but barring one (that some people theorize was caused by a super volcano going off) that nearly wiped us out society has at worst what, stalled during the Middle Ages? And that wasn't global it was barbarians too stupid to work the machines they'd been given.

See the trick is that we're not "borrowing from the future." Such a thing isn't possible in reality. We're putting zeros and ones in computers and little ink spots on peices of paper that say one day someone has to in someway pay for this. But the food is eaten, but buildings built, the wars fought. And not by magical time travelers. By us.

And we are not living longer lives that was true every generation until now. Government largesse has made the least capable part of society able to gorge themselves on poor food choices, drugs, alcohol and cigarettes.

Oh sure and someone who funds their lifestyle with credit cards that they're never going to be able to pay back are paying for their lifestyle. What an absolutely not true point of view.

Yes it has to be paid back and it has to be paid back in the future by people who are not yet born.

 

[PayDay]

Don't be Zumi-esque. It's when it suddenly spread to a completely new part of Africa where as far as I know it's mostly black people and threatened to become a worldwide problem meaning a drug companies dream in the sense that they would have customers with money for a potential cure.

Nice link to multi posts

 

[Ishmael]

Re. End of the World scenarios. Done over 10 years ago.

Re. Flat vs Fair Tax. Ongoing and almost beaten into sub-atomic particles.

Ishmael

 

[Que]

Nice link to multi posts

Are you being intentionally ironic that a good portion of your posts are taking up space to urge people to economize on forum resources?

You have an entire thread about having too many political threads!

Sean and I have a lot of back and forth in the wee hours and the two posts I read in reverse order and responded to separately so that when (most likely) he responds to each, he doesn't have to separate the two thoughts back out.

 

[Ishmael]

Are you being intentionally ironic that a good portion of your posts are taking up space to urge people to economize on forum resources?

You have an entire thread about having too many political threads!

Sean and I have a lot of back and forth in the wee hours and the two posts I read in reverse order and responded to separately so that when (most likely) he responds to each, he doesn't have to separate the two thoughts back out.

It appears to be an experiment on his part. An experiment that might well backfire on him. There are no shortage of resources so if that's his motivation it's a solution in search of a non-problem.

Ishmael

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

#AscriptionAgain. I am never "trying to say" anything. I am not saying anything close to what you suggest. No rational person could draw that inference.

Try again.

You are not suggesting, you are stating quite clearly (in C-sling style) that the obvious consequence of physical violence would ensue if the same words that I type here were uttered in your actual presence would prevent me or anyone else in contradicting you in exactly the manner I do here.

If you are "trying to ask" if there is ever a time that violence is acceptable, I would of course agree that such times do exist.

...and no, having someone come out from behind a keyboard and say the exact same things they said to your face is not one of those times that violence is acceptable.

If you wish to test your luck with my local criminal justice system and are willing to make the trip, I'll pm you my name and address. You go ahead and print out any passages that you think are fighting words, I'll be more than happy to read them to you at whatever distance your sense of personal space prefers and let the chips fall where they may.

No dumbass, I didn't say that. What I said was that if you thought for a moment to lay hands on someone else *pats head* the way you act as if you would here you would be ala The Crying Game: "Picking up your teeth with broken fingers." You can SAY anything, to a point. But the moment you lay hands on another person without permission you're wide open for an ass kicking.

Honestly, you would probably be shoved across the room and be told in no uncertain terms to keep your fucking hands to yourself. There would be no second warning, nor would there be a need for one I'll wager.

 

[Que]

No dumbass, I didn't say that. What I said was that if you thought for a moment to lay hands on someone else *pats head* the way you act as if you would here you would be ala The Crying Game: "Picking up your teeth with broken fingers." You can SAY anything, to a point. But the moment you lay hands on another person without permission you're wide open for an ass kicking.

Honestly, you would probably be shoved across the room and be told in no uncertain terms to keep your fucking hands to yourself. There would be no second warning, nor would there be a need for one I'll wager.

There, there little one.

: pats head :

No need to be so angwee.

MAHHHH....AHMMMMMMM. He's TOUCHING me!!!

...but, but officer...he PATTED my head.... He was WIDE OPEN to an ass-kicking!!!

 

[PayDay]

It appears to be an experiment on his part. An experiment that might well backfire on him. There are no shortage of resources so if that's his motivation it's a solution in search of a non-problem.

Ishmael

Re. End of the World scenarios. Done over 10 years ago.

Re. Flat vs Fair Tax. Ongoing and almost beaten into sub-atomic particles.

Ishmael

Are you being intentionally ironic that a good portion of your posts are taking up space to urge people to economize on forum resources?

You have an entire thread about having too many political threads!

Sean and I have a lot of back and forth in the wee hours and the two posts I read in reverse order and responded to separately so that when (most likely) he responds to each, he doesn't have to separate the two thoughts back out.

pssht.. Labels..
Not intentionally ironic
Not an experiment
Not an end of world theory
Definately not about using up space
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-is-irony-with-examples/

Grand scale:
http://ai.stanford.edu/~csewell/culture/litterms.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(grammar)
http://www.andrews.edu/~tidwell/bsad560/NonVerbal.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440575/
http://www.healthline.com/health/foreign-objects
http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/c/civil_engineering.htm
http://edglossary.org/hidden-curriculum/

I think about stuff like this all the time. Now I have a thread to put them in.

 

[PayDay]

pssht.. Labels..
Not intentionally ironic
Not an experiment
Not an end of world theory
Definately not about using up space
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/what-is-irony-with-examples/

Grand scale:
http://ai.stanford.edu/~csewell/culture/litterms.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(grammar)
http://www.andrews.edu/~tidwell/bsad560/NonVerbal.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440575/
http://www.healthline.com/health/foreign-objects
http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/c/civil_engineering.htm
http://edglossary.org/hidden-curriculum/

I think about stuff like this all the time. Now I have a thread to put them in.

Also this:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=862342&page=29#723
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=862342&page=31#757
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=862342&page=30#732
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=862342&page=30#749

 

[PayDay]

Clarification:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/clarification

Synonyms
1.*explain, illuminate, elucidate, resolve.

Definition
verb (used with object),*clarified,*clarifying.

1.to make (an idea, statement, etc.) clear or intelligible; to free from ambiguity.

2.to remove solid matter from (a liquid); to make into a clear or pellucid liquid.

3.to free (the mind, intelligence, etc.) from confusion; revive:

The short nap clarified his thoughts.

verb (used without object),*clarified,*clarifying.

4.to become clear, pure, or intelligible:

The political situation clarified.

altogether = http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=862342&page=33#807

Make sense now?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

No it hasn't. We are not as a species becoming more adept at survival and borrowing from the future cannot go on forever. Because math.

I agree, but not math; the social sciences, i.e, Economics.

 

[kbate]

Why do you engage in flights of border line insanity?

First of all the illegal has no business being here doing any work at all. That's why they're called illegals don't cha know? And when they're caught they rightfully are shipped off to a detention center before being deported.

But what about the businessman that hired that illegal, in and of itself an illegal activity, not out of any altruistic notion of concern for the consumer, but just to get a competitive edge on his competition (who most likely also had to hire illegals just to stay in business). What happens to that businessman? Why he gets a slap on the wrist and a token fine, that's it.

One man has his life turned upside down and the other gets a nod and a wink.

Make the hiring of illegals a felony with some real teeth in it and the illegals will self-deport. Millions of Americans will have opportunities to find work (and the notion that the bulk of the illegals work in the agricultural sector is a red herring, they don't). And the consumer will not be hit with massive increases in the price of goods, that also is a red herring.

Ishmael

Because you constantly yell "Wolf", which is insanity. Read an article, scream "WOLF!!" The sky fell over there, over here, there...

If the good Americans who these jobs belong to, were doing them, the illegals wouldn't come here and find easy employment, the mighty free market would already have adjusted to higher wages, health benefits, Workman's comp, income tax, medicare, social security, state tax and so on (all those things that you hate) and we'd have no unemployment among the poor. Yay.

The reason illegals can find employment is because there are job openings. We've got 16% unemployment among African Americans - why aren't they competing with the illegals for the low wage jobs?

You're making up your entire premise that Americans will flock to the fields to do crop harvests, accept minimum wage with no benefits and that angels will suddenly sing - all if we make it a felony to employ illegal aliens.

"Real Teeth in It" How?

I can only imagine you also wish to hire another few thousand tax agents, border police and labour police to enforce your new law? Or does it miraculously self-enforce? It's already a crime and it happens. It has serious penalties if you are caught. You believe increasing the severity of the crime is going to increase enforcement capabilities?

Wouldn't all of this additional enforcement and regulation somehow have to be paid for by a tax, a fee, a fine, or something that (by your own libertarian economic theory) will be passed on to the consumer? Or in this extremely isolated and unique case of regulation and criminalization, it is free and all beneficial? Yay again.

Do you also plan RICO seizures for the farms and factories who use illegal labour? A new government department of 'fair labour farming'?

You have a simple solution, but you leave the entire workings of it in the "do this and pray for the miracle" arena.

and that Sir, is border line insane.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"If the good Americans who these jobs belong to, were doing them, the illegals wouldn't come here and find easy employment, the mighty free market would already have adjusted to higher wages, health benefits, Workman's comp, income tax, medicare, social security, state tax and so on (all those things that you hate) and we'd have no unemployment among the poor. Yay."

No it would not. They would "outbid" those workers.

They find work not because of job openings, but because they bod for the jobs. When I worked at the beef plant, we had great wages, but the illegals were eager to accept less, very eager, and soon took every open job, and then management started finding reasons to get rid of the higher paid workers and the beauty of it is, because they were illegal, there was no one they could turn to.

 

[Ishmael]

Because you constantly yell "Wolf", which is insanity. Read an article, scream "WOLF!!" The sky fell over there, over here, there...

If the good Americans who these jobs belong to, were doing them, the illegals wouldn't come here and find easy employment, the mighty free market would already have adjusted to higher wages, health benefits, Workman's comp, income tax, medicare, social security, state tax and so on (all those things that you hate) and we'd have no unemployment among the poor. Yay.

The reason illegals can find employment is because there are job openings. We've got 16% unemployment among African Americans - why aren't they competing with the illegals for the low wage jobs?

You're making up your entire premise that Americans will flock to the fields to do crop harvests, accept minimum wage with no benefits and that angels will suddenly sing - all if we make it a felony to employ illegal aliens.

"Real Teeth in It" How?

I can only imagine you also wish to hire another few thousand tax agents, border police and labour police to enforce your new law? Or does it miraculously self-enforce? It's already a crime and it happens. It has serious penalties if you are caught. You believe increasing the severity of the crime is going to increase enforcement capabilities?

Wouldn't all of this additional enforcement and regulation somehow have to be paid for by a tax, a fee, a fine, or something that (by your own libertarian economic theory) will be passed on to the consumer? Or in this extremely isolated and unique case of regulation and criminalization, it is free and all beneficial? Yay again.

Do you also plan RICO seizures for the farms and factories who use illegal labour? A new government department of 'fair labour farming'?

You have a simple solution, but you leave the entire workings of it in the "do this and pray for the miracle" arena.

and that Sir, is border line insane.

The reason they find employment is because they work cheap, and unscrupulous business owners.

More taxes etc? Of course not, the means are already in place, it's called iVerify. The agents have already been hired, just let them do their jobs. Obama has turned them into fucking baby-sitters.

Who needs RICO, just upgrade the penalties associated with the laws already in place.

You're the one going bat-shit crazy on this. The solution is really quite simple, remove the food (job opportunities) and the cockroaches will leave the house.

And as an aside, did you see where by exit polling 70% of voters in the just ended election want the illegals OUT OF HERE! 70% is a bi-partisan number by the way.

You have no defense for the indefensible.

Ishmael