A Tale of Two Viral Videos. Spot the difference.

[LadyFunkenstein]

As most of you know, "10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman" purports to expose the reality of street harassment through the eyes of an average woman. The video has ignited quite a debate. I find it interesting to read the comment, where the majority of female commentators agree that it is terrible for men to shout "hey beautiful" and "smile" to women on the street, that it ignites fear and must be stopped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A

There was another viral video that dropped about a month ago, but was not as popular so I present it here. "Homeless Millennial Survives By Picking Up Women Every Night" shows an alcoholic approaching women on the streets of NYC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmav517MQJc

Interestingly, I do not see angry comments about street harassment on that particular video. I see women saying that he is a sleezy user for sure, but I see nothing about how wrong it is for him to approach women on the street in the first place.

I open it up to the peanut gallery, what is the difference between these two videos so that one showcases harassment and one does not?

 

[subdued_passion]

Wait, how is that first video "street harassment"?

At the most annoyance.

And what was that crap about different backgrounds? I didn't see any evidence of that in the video.

 

[subdued_passion]

That second video... that's something else. Nice to know, what kind of priorities some folks have.


ETA-

It's not like I forgot how to get pussy just because I fucking became homeless

 

[Que]

I think a lot of the difference is intent.

If you are actually doing your best to pick-up an individual woman, even if done badly, your honest (well sort of) intentions come through. Putting yourself out there and being clear about your desires is sexier than a throw it against the wall approach.

When it is a matter of little throw-way lines and cat-calls and that sort of thing it has to feel more like you are goofing on a woman.

I find women do not seem to mind being objectified if they being individually singled out and pursued with a clear purpose. There are ways to build comfort in an approach that engages without violating boundaries. It is a dance and it takes practice.

Homeless dude has some practice, he has a goal and sincerity is sexy.

The worst reaction I ever get is polite bemusement.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Wait, how is that first video "street harassment"?

At the most annoyance.

And what was that crap about different backgrounds? I didn't see any evidence of that in the video.

According to the filmmaker/marketing copmany: “We got a fair amount of white guys, but for whatever reason, a lot of what they said was in passing, or off camera,” and that the video “is not a perfect representation of everything that happened.”

 

[subdued_passion]

According to the filmmaker/marketing copmany: “We got a fair amount of white guys, but for whatever reason, a lot of what they said was in passing, or off camera,” and that the video “is not a perfect representation of everything that happened.”

The comments they did catch on camera were pretty polite and complimentary ones, in my opinion, so I don't see why they made the cut, unless people weren't trying to show different backgrounds... It's not like there could be some subtle underlying message here, could there, because I didn't really see evidence of something I'd call street harassment (apart from the guy who followed her and the one who asked if she was ignoring him because she thought he was ugly).


And that second video... sheesh. I mean I get that players will play and it's all part of the game but to hear that guy go on like he's really got it all figured out... Jeezus!

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I think a lot of the difference is intent.

If you are actually doing your best to pick-up an individual woman, even if done badly, your honest (well sort of) intentions come through. Putting yourself out there and being clear about your desires is sexier than a throw it against the wall approach.

When it is a matter of little throw-way lines and cat-calls and that sort of thing it has to feel more like you are goofing on a woman.

I find women do not seem to mind being objectified if they being individually singled out and pursued with a clear purpose. There are ways to build comfort in an approach that engages without violating boundaries. It is a dance and it takes practice.

Homeless dude has some practice, he has a goal and sincerity is sexy.

The worst reaction I ever get is polite bemusement.

Not that I disagree with you, but you really can't say this of all women. I like it when guys say "Hey beautiful" etc on the street. I just give them a thumbs up or the peace sign as I keep it moving, and they usually respond with "Have a nice day" and that's the end of it. That said, this all very well may be because I am 44 years old. One, I am used to it by now, and two, I am old enough to see the approaching wall so it's flattering to know it hasn't hit me yet. No comments = you hit the wall. I am glad that people still want to fuck me.

As for homeless guy, how is yelling after someone "You are killing it in those pants" a sincere approach?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

The comments they did catch on camera were pretty polite and complimentary ones, in my opinion, so I don't see why they made the cut, unless people weren't trying to show different backgrounds... It's not like there could be some subtle underlying message here, could there, because I didn't really see evidence of something I'd call street harassment (apart from the guy who followed her and the one who asked if she was ignoring him because she thought he was ugly).


And that second video... sheesh. I mean I get that players will play and it's all part of the game but to hear that guy go on like he's really got it all figured out... Jeezus!

Well bear in mind the purpose of the video is to solicit donations. What you see in the video, and what you don't see, is all about getting people to open up their wallets.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Well bear in mind the purpose of the video is to solicit donations. What you see in the video, and what you don't see, is all about getting people to open up their wallets.

Here is the organization.

http://www.ihollaback.org/

I left a comment asking them to release the alleged video portions with white men catcalling, but they deleted it.

 

[evesdream]

Wait, how is that first video "street harassment"?

At the most annoyance.

And what was that crap about different backgrounds? I didn't see any evidence of that in the video.

I really dislike the way the video is being presented. It's sloppy, insulting and does a disservice. Of course, I agree - most of what she's experiencing is not harassment.

I already went on about it in another thread... Someone suggested that the term is more broad, and that if a woman feels uncomfortable or threatened, then it is harassment (Someone else can address that slippery slope if they want to. Maybe the direction of the original post in this thread is already addressing some of the flaws in that reasoning.)

Thinking about it some more and with a little more latitude, the constant addresses from men on the street only lean toward sinister in the context of all of the actual harassment, intimidation and micro-aggressions that most women receive all of our lives. If this is what the makers are trying to express, the video does a superficial, shit-job of presenting that defining nuance, and instead minimizes the problem by taking short-cuts and deliberately misnaming a nuisance as a transgression for the profit of the 6 or so people who created it.

We're being asked to latch on to something fundamentally mediocre and dishonest, and pretend that it's actually helping us move forward, when it's not.

(And if we are honest, the most egregious forms of harassment, intimidation and micro-aggression that affect people do not happen on the street and are not the sole domain of racialized or lower-middle class men as portrayed in that video).

Well bear in mind the purpose of the video is to solicit donations. What you see in the video, and what you don't see, is all about getting people to open up their wallets.

Excellent point.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Here is the organization.

http://www.ihollaback.org/

I left a comment asking them to release the alleged video portions with white men catcalling, but they deleted it.

They say they're committed to showing "the complete picture," but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

It's pissing a lot of people off. Sexism and harassment definitely needs to be called out, but it shouldn't be done on the back of selective editing that favors privilege.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

They say they're committed to showing "the complete picture," but I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

It's pissing a lot of people off. Sexism and harassment definitely needs to be called out, but it shouldn't be done on the back of selective editing that favors privilege.

The organization is trying to solicit donations from feminists and as I have been saying, feminism is for white western women. They do not care that the racial aspects are noted by someone like me because #solidarityisforwhitewomen.

So tell me, what are your thoughts on the lack of feminists calling out the homeless drunk who approaches women on the street every day? Why is yelling "you are killing in in those shorts" not considered harassment?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I really dislike the way the video is being presented. It's sloppy, insulting and does a disservice. Of course, I agree - most of what she's experiencing is not harassment.

I already went on about it in another thread... Someone suggested that the term is more broad, and that if a woman feels uncomfortable or threatened, then it is harassment (Someone else can address that slippery slope if they want to. Maybe the direction of the original post in this thread is already addressing some of the flaws in that reasoning.)

Thinking about it some more and with a little more latitude, the constant addresses from men on the street only lean toward sinister in the context of all of the actual harassment, intimidation and micro-aggressions that most women receive all of our lives. If this is what the makers are trying to express, the video does a superficial, shit-job of presenting that defining nuance, and instead minimizes the problem by taking short-cuts and deliberately misnaming a nuisance as a transgression for the profit of the 6 or so people who created it.

We're being asked to latch on to something fundamentally mediocre and dishonest, and pretend that it's actually helping us move forward, when it's not.

(And if we are honest, the most egregious forms of harassment, intimidation and micro-aggression that affect people do not happen on the street and are not the sole domain of racialized or lower-middle class men as portrayed in that video).




Excellent point.

The video is sloppily un-nuanced intentionally. It was produced by "Rob Bliss: A Viral Video Marketing Agency" which means a man who is a professional troll.

 

[Disgustipated]

Lady F thinks Lady F being over 40 looks good. Who knew? !

 

[Skiddles2014]

Women can be such whiny cunts.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Lady F thinks Lady F being over 40 looks good. Who knew? !

It's funny how pissed off people get when an average looking woman likes the way she looks and isn't afraid to say so, yet if it is an ugly or fat chick they commend her. Anyway...

Do you have any thoughts on the videos on this thread.

 

[Disgustipated]

It's funny how pissed off people get when an average looking woman likes the way she looks and isn't afraid to say so, yet if it is an ugly or fat chick they commend her. Anyway...

Do you have any thoughts on the videos on this thread.

Who is pissed?

Anyway, the videos are not related, so, no.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Who is pissed?

Anyway, the videos are not related, so, no.

If you aren't the one who is pissed, then why does it matter to you?

Thanks for stopping by to say you have nothing to say.

 

[evesdream]

Women can be such whiny cunts.

How else would anything get done?


I'm going to guess that IrezumiKiss isn't about to answer for hundreds of years of tension between white feminists and ... everyone else. The poor man! I visited the website and I'll admit that they're doing a better job of representing their cause than Rob Bliss Creative did. My reaction watching the 2nd video was 'is this a joke?' It gets more real at 4:00, but still suspect. Amazing how he's working that frat boy appeal.

He admits himself that he's able to survive this way because of who he is and how he looks. I guess no one else wants to say that out loud though, or think about it too much. There are freeloaders at every level of society.

 

[Disgustipated]

If you aren't the one who is pissed, then why does it matter to you?

Thanks for stopping by to say you have nothing to say.

It's a discussion board, you asked a question. Because the videos are not close to being comparable doesn't make me pissed.

 

[subdued_passion]

Not that I disagree with you, but you really can't say this of all women. I like it when guys say "Hey beautiful" etc on the street. I just give them a thumbs up or the peace sign as I keep it moving, and they usually respond with "Have a nice day" and that's the end of it. That said, this all very well may be because I am 44 years old. One, I am used to it by now, and two, I am old enough to see the approaching wall so it's flattering to know it hasn't hit me yet. No comments = you hit the wall. I am glad that people still want to fuck me.

As for homeless guy, how is yelling after someone "You are killing it in those pants" a sincere approach?

If someone greets me politely whether or not I find them attractive I will smile or greet them back and move on. I think it's part of being civilized. If I feel threatened I will demand that they back off. I imagine a woman would have to be extremely sheltered and devoid of male interaction to get unnerved by the kind of attention the woman got in that video.

I really dislike the way the video is being presented. It's sloppy, insulting and does a disservice. Of course, I agree - most of what she's experiencing is not harassment.

I already went on about it in another thread... Someone suggested that the term is more broad, and that if a woman feels uncomfortable or threatened, then it is harassment (Someone else can address that slippery slope if they want to. Maybe the direction of the original post in this thread is already addressing some of the flaws in that reasoning.)

Thinking about it some more and with a little more latitude, the constant addresses from men on the street only lean toward sinister in the context of all of the actual harassment, intimidation and micro-aggressions that most women receive all of our lives. If this is what the makers are trying to express, the video does a superficial, shit-job of presenting that defining nuance, and instead minimizes the problem by taking short-cuts and deliberately misnaming a nuisance as a transgression for the profit of the 6 or so people who created it.

We're being asked to latch on to something fundamentally mediocre and dishonest, and pretend that it's actually helping us move forward, when it's not.

(And if we are honest, the most egregious forms of harassment, intimidation and micro-aggression that affect people do not happen on the street and are not the sole domain of racialized or lower-middle class men as portrayed in that video).

If the video showed the girl being approached by the same set of men on a daily while she goes about her route, I could still see a case being made for street harassment, no matter how friendly and polite the greeting.

The message I got from this video, whether it was intended or not, had little to do with harassment and more to do with racial profiling.

The organization is trying to solicit donations from feminists and as I have been saying, feminism is for white western women. They do not care that the racial aspects are noted by someone like me because #solidarityisforwhitewomen.

So tell me, what are your thoughts on the lack of feminists calling out the homeless drunk who approaches women on the street every day? Why is yelling "you are killing in in those shorts" not considered harassment?

Say what now?

 

[Ishmael]

The organization is trying to solicit donations from feminists and as I have been saying, feminism is for white western women. They do not care that the racial aspects are noted by someone like me because #solidarityisforwhitewomen.

So tell me, what are your thoughts on the lack of feminists calling out the homeless drunk who approaches women on the street every day? Why is yelling "you are killing in in those shorts" not considered harassment?

Well Funk, the presence of a camera changes EVERYTHING. In the one we have an aspiring actress obviously looking for some 15 min. of fame. The second appears to be highly 'scripted' as well. And as with ALL such videos, all the magic takes place in post-production.

So from my perspective there is no difference, both videos are produced to achieve an effect and the fact that they've gone viral seems to imply they were successful. Overly long commercials.

Ishmael

 

[Skiddles2014]

How else would anything get done?


I'm going to guess that IrezumiKiss isn't about to answer for hundreds of years of tension between white feminists and ... everyone else. The poor man! I visited the website and I'll admit that they're doing a better job of representing their cause than Rob Bliss Creative did. My reaction watching the 2nd video was 'is this a joke?' It gets more real at 4:00, but still suspect. Amazing how he's working that frat boy appeal.

He admits himself that he's able to survive this way because of who he is and how he looks. I guess no one else wants to say that out loud though, or think about it too much. There are freeloaders at every level of society.

Just flash your boobs.

 

[Skiddles2014]

The organization is trying to solicit donations from feminists and as I have been saying, feminism is for white western women. They do not care that the racial aspects are noted by someone like me because #solidarityisforwhitewomen.

So tell me, what are your thoughts on the lack of feminists calling out the homeless drunk who approaches women on the street every day? Why is yelling "you are killing in in those shorts" not considered harassment?

Aww cupcake, way to play the race card!

 

[JohnnySavage]

I got told to fuck off in the other thread, for expressing the majority opinion in this thread. I guess I need to pick my threads better!