The IRS is seizing bank accounts.

[Boxlicker101]

And, unless you can prove you are doing nothing wrong, you are SOL.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/u...unts-on-suspicion-no-crime-required.html?_r=0

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

And now they have the guns to do it.

 

[Que]

They passed a regulation making amounts over $10,000 required reporting. Then they go all New Testament in their interpretation, "Thou shalt not do anything like unto it"

Whosoever shalt covet thine own bank account with the greed to exceed $10,000 in your heart shall be guilt of structuring...

To not trigger it you need to be under $3000 a day or occasionally deposit well over $10,000

Another place that was near a bank and in a bad area made deposits several times a day so when they were inevitably robbed the thieves got less. They lost $25K

It's dumb.

Police routinely seize any cash over a couple thousand on the premise that it is part of a money laundering scheme.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

RICO-la...

 

[Ishmael]

RICO-la...

Among the most abused acts ever passed by congress.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Among the most abused acts ever passed by congress.

Ishmael

I am just finishing an interesting (but hard to read, it's like an old man in a bar telling endless war stories as unstuck in time as Billy Pilgrim over beers) by Lin DelVecchio about the bringing down of the crime families after a law professor invented a new theory on how to employ the RICO statutes.

But then he shows how quickly they were corrupted buy one of his agents and a corrupt Brooklyn DA in order to charge and try him with no proof what-so-ever other than whispers in the dark and a plethora of mobsters who began rolling over in waves and were willing to say any outrageous thing in order to get reduced sentences.

On one hand it was somewhat of an outrage, but after what they did to Lee and Libby, it was a bit of reap what you sow...

 

[Ishmael]

I am just finishing an interesting (but hard to read, it's like an old man in a bar telling endless war stories as unstuck in time as Billy Pilgrim over beers) by Lin DelVecchio about the bringing down of the crime families after a law professor invented a new theory on how to employ the RICO statutes.

But then he shows how quickly they were corrupted buy one of his agents and a corrupt Brooklyn DA in order to charge and try him with no proof what-so-ever other than whispers in the dark and a plethora of mobsters who began rolling over in waves and were willing to say any outrageous thing in order to get reduced sentences.

On one hand it was somewhat of an outrage, but after what they did to Lee and Libby, it was a bit of reap what you sow...

RICO was used to achieve some notable successes against organized crime early on. And the public were willing to overlook the abuses because of those results.

Then the local police and sheriffs caught on to the scam and used the law to confiscate millions from innocent citizens who just happened to be carrying more cash than the powers that be thought to be justified. Sums as low as $200 were confiscated and in most cases the citizen never got the money back because the legal fees far exceeded the sum that could be recovered.

Now it's the IRS's turn to abuse the law by going after small, cash only, businesses.

Through all of this you may notice that the Feds have had very little success against the drug cartels RICO or not. The cartels learned from the failure of the mob to protect themselves from this law. Its usefulness as a tool against organized crime of any sort has been severally diminished. But the innocents are sitting ducks.

Ishmael

 

[Mike_Yates]

The IRS has to make sure that you aren't a terrorist.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

RICO was used to achieve some notable successes against organized crime early on. And the public were willing to overlook the abuses because of those results.

Then the local police and sheriffs caught on to the scam and used the law to confiscate millions from innocent citizens who just happened to be carrying more cash than the powers that be thought to be justified. Sums as low as $200 were confiscated and in most cases the citizen never got the money back because the legal fees far exceeded the sum that could be recovered.

Now it's the IRS's turn to abuse the law by going after small, cash only, businesses.

Through all of this you may notice that the Feds have had very little success against the drug cartels RICO or not. The cartels learned from the failure of the mob to protect themselves from this law. Its usefulness as a tool against organized crime of any sort has been severally diminished. But the innocents are sitting ducks.

Ishmael

It parallels the current abuses of the Civil Rights movement which once its main purpose was accomplished, did not scale down, but started looking for issues to get involved in...



As Goldberg says:

I need a HERO! ...
And he's got to be fresh from the fight!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The IRS has to make sure that you aren't a terrorist.

The IRS IS a terrorist organization...

 

[Ishmael]

It parallels the current abuses of the Civil Rights movement which once its main purpose was accomplished, did not scale down, but started looking for issues to get involved in...



As Goldberg says:

I need a HERO! ...
And he's got to be fresh from the fight!

Think of government programs/agencies as you would a virus/bacteria. No living organism wants to die out. They will mutate to find new hosts to attack. The public is still stuck supporting, via taxes, programs/agencies that date back to the Civil War.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Indeed. Once an agency has experience mission success, it simply takes on new missions and the hell with Congress, or the people. We exist to service them.

 

[Amberchgo]

These are the folks enforcing ObamaCare.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

These are the folks enforcing ObamaCare.

And suppressing conservative get out-the-vote organizations.

 

[RobDownSouth]

RICO was used to achieve some notable successes against organized crime early on. And the public were willing to overlook the abuses because of those results.

Then the local police and sheriffs caught on to the scam and used the law to confiscate millions from innocent citizens who just happened to be carrying more cash than the powers that be thought to be justified. Sums as low as $200 were confiscated and in most cases the citizen never got the money back because the legal fees far exceeded the sum that could be recovered.

Now it's the IRS's turn to abuse the law by going after small, cash only, businesses.

Through all of this you may notice that the Feds have had very little success against the drug cartels RICO or not. The cartels learned from the failure of the mob to protect themselves from this law. Its usefulness as a tool against organized crime of any sort has been severally diminished. But the innocents are sitting ducks.

Ishmael

Wow, a rare lucid post by Ishmael.

The IRS IS a terrorist organization...

.....luckily, AJ is here to regress us to the mean.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Wow, a rare lucid post by Ishmael.



.....luckily, AJ is here to regress us to the mean.

well RobRubbingDownSouthonBoys ... you are one of those less fortunates

 

[BotanyBoy]

They passed a regulation making amounts over $10,000 required reporting. Then they go all New Testament in their interpretation, "Thou shalt not do anything like unto it"

Whosoever shalt covet thine own bank account with the greed to exceed $10,000 in your heart shall be guilt of structuring...

Dude....try and buy and big ticket shit lately? OMG....they want EVERY penny that hit the bank accounted for. EVERY penny.

That might just be me but it's pretty over the fucking top.....keep your paperwork in order folks!!

Now it's the IRS's turn to abuse the law by going after small, cash only, businesses.

Ishmael

The last group of folks without an E-leash and an auto logged computer stored paper trail for EVERYTHING.

 

[about_average]

Their money was seized under an increasingly controversial area of law known as civil asset forfeiture, which allows law enforcement agents to take property they suspect of being tied to crime even if no criminal charges are filed. Law enforcement agencies get to keep a share of whatever is forfeited.

Yeah, no possible issues there.

 

[miles]

It's a common misconception that accumulated wealth belongs to the individual. It belongs to the government.

 

[Ishmael]

It's a common misconception that accumulated wealth belongs to the individual. It belongs to the government.

That IS the notion that the proponents to statism are attempting to propagate among the electorate. Unfortunately they are enjoying ever increasing success.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

That IS the notion that the proponents to statism are attempting to propagate among the electorate. Unfortunately they are enjoying ever increasing success.

Ishmael

Actually, statism (known more commonly as "fascism") promotes the concent of the near-absolute protection of corporate interests (see: koch brothers)

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yeah, no possible issues there.

If the mob doesn't get you the government will. Same operation really.

That IS the notion that the proponents to statism are attempting to propagate among the electorate. Unfortunately they are enjoying ever increasing success.

Ishmael

Ever increasing success?....lol like this is new or some shit.

OHHH all happened under O that's right! LMFAO because the US gov wasn't taking shit from people by force before.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

They enjoyed success under Bush too.

Medicare Part D

No Child Left Behind

Too big to fail and stimulus spending...