How Did They Get Ebola?

[Ramone45]

I understand what they're telling us about the science of ebola transmission. It is transmitted by direct contact with the bodily fluids of a symptomatic patient. If a person is asymptomatic, they cannot transmit the virus.
So, you're a healthcare worker who is very familiar with universal precautions. Infection control is standard operating procedure. For some reason, despite the science, infection control protocols are increased to full coverage with respirators.
As a healthcare worker with intimate knowledge of disease transmission and infection control, how do you come in direct contact with the bodily fluids of a symptomatic patient? Did you not know the patient was symptomatic? Universal precautions dictate that it is assumed that every patient is contagious. What is "symptomatic"? A fever? How high? Did infection control procedures breakdown? If they did, it would appear that it would have to be a catastrophic breakdown. It seems like the infection control regimen of your local tattoo parlor should be enough to protect you from ebola. How do sophisticated, intelligent healthcare workers contract ebola?

 

[Sean]

I understand what they're telling us about the science of ebola transmission. It is transmitted by direct contact with the bodily fluids of a symptomatic patient. If a person is asymptomatic, they cannot transmit the virus.
So, you're a healthcare worker who is very familiar with universal precautions. Infection control is standard operating procedure. For some reason, despite the science, infection control protocols are increased to full coverage with respirators.
As a healthcare worker with intimate knowledge of disease transmission and infection control, how do you come in direct contact with the bodily fluids of a symptomatic patient? Did you not know the patient was symptomatic? Universal precautions dictate that it is assumed that every patient is contagious. What is "symptomatic"? A fever? How high? Did infection control procedures breakdown? If they did, it would appear that it would have to be a catastrophic breakdown. It seems like the infection control regimen of your local tattoo parlor should be enough to protect you from ebola. How do sophisticated, intelligent healthcare workers contract ebola?

Because taking off that suit is a long, involved, complicated process. You make one slip and you can get contaminated.

 

[phrodeau]

I understand what they're telling us about the science of ebola transmission. It is transmitted by direct contact with the bodily fluids of a symptomatic patient. If a person is asymptomatic, they cannot transmit the virus.
So, you're a healthcare worker who is very familiar with universal precautions. Infection control is standard operating procedure. For some reason, despite the science, infection control protocols are increased to full coverage with respirators.
As a healthcare worker with intimate knowledge of disease transmission and infection control, how do you come in direct contact with the bodily fluids of a symptomatic patient? Did you not know the patient was symptomatic? Universal precautions dictate that it is assumed that every patient is contagious. What is "symptomatic"? A fever? How high? Did infection control procedures breakdown? If they did, it would appear that it would have to be a catastrophic breakdown. It seems like the infection control regimen of your local tattoo parlor should be enough to protect you from ebola. How do sophisticated, intelligent healthcare workers contract ebola?

A person who is asymptomatic can still transmit the virus. If an ebola victim sneezes on a nurse, and that nurse meets you in the break room for a quickie, then you could pick up ebola from her.

 

[MonaLittle]

Because as a healthcare worker, you work personally and closely with these patients - meaning - being in contact with their bodily fluids. When you take the protective gear off, as Sean pointed out, it is a process, and one that needs to be done carefully.. If you have contact with their fluids in anyway, and then rub your eye or mouth before sterilizing yourself and washing up, you can be contaminated.

Have you ever tried turning a page of a book with gloves on? Or, unbuttoning, unzipping or removing clothes while wearing heavy, protective gear? I can't imagine it's an easy task.

 

[Saint Peter]

Because taking off that suit is a long, involved, complicated process. You make one slip and you can get contaminated.

I have posted this before. I see all of the workers in paper masks. Paper masks are worthless. Fluids soak through. Vapors and contamination are not captured. Paper masks do not form a positive seal on the face.

Nuclear workers wear respirators for this reason. The people that clean the respirators are wearing respirators. It is the very last piece of PPE that comes off during the doffing process.

There are engineering controls available to make the workers safer. Some of these options are not cheap, but how much is a life worth?

 

[Saint Peter]

Because as a healthcare worker, you work personally and closely with these patients - meaning - being in contact with their bodily fluids. When you take the protective gear off, as Sean pointed out, it is a process, and one that needs to be done carefully.. If you have contact with their fluids in anyway, and then rub your eye or mouth before sterilizing yourself and washing up, you can be contaminated.

Have you ever tried turning a page of a book with gloves on? Or, unbuttoning, unzipping or removing clothes while wearing heavy, protective gear? I can't imagine it's an easy task.

I will take that mask off and go in commando for you!

 

[Busybody]

Obola DEEEMED it so!

 

[Sean]

I have posted this before. I see all of the workers in paper masks. Paper masks are worthless. Fluids soak through. Vapors and contamination are not captured. Paper masks do not form a positive seal on the face.

Nuclear workers wear respirators for this reason. The people that clean the respirators are wearing respirators. It is the very last piece of PPE that comes off during the doffing process.

There are engineering controls available to make the workers safer. Some of these options are not cheap, but how much is a life worth?

A black or a white life?

 

[Saint Peter]

A black or a white life?

Split the delta.

 

[MonaLittle]

I will take that mask off and go in commando for you!

 

[possum123]

People seem to think they can believe the govt. when it tells them about ebola.
Haven't they learned by now our govt. cannot be trusted?
Can anyone remember a time when the govt. has told us the truth?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

People seem to think they can believe the govt. when it tells them about ebola.
Haven't they learned by now our govt. cannot be trusted?
Can anyone remember a time when the govt. has told us the truth?

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You wouldn't be playing possum with us, wouldja, possum?

 

[phrodeau]

People seem to think they can believe the govt. when it tells them about ebola.
Haven't they learned by now our govt. cannot be trusted?
Can anyone remember a time when the govt. has told us the truth?

Which government, Guinea, Liberia, Mali, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Spain, United States or the Democratic Republic of the Congo?

 

[possum123]

Any govt. that is telling the lies and expecting to be believed.
Since I live in the U.S. I will use them. You are free to pick any govt. you want to believe or disbelieve.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

It's a matter of virulence. It's a nasty bug.

 

[Ramone45]

A person who is asymptomatic can still transmit the virus. If an ebola victim sneezes on a nurse, and that nurse meets you in the break room for a quickie, then you could pick up ebola from her.

NO! NO! NO!!! They are 100% clear. An asymptomatic person CANNOT transmit the virus, PERIOD!!! That's the science! That's what they are telling us. It is Black and White. There is NO gray area. Don'r try to pick and choose. that doctor was asymptomatic an sweated and schnotted all over that goddamn bowling ball, you cannot get sick.

 

[Ramone45]

Obviously, De-gowning is the likely time of contamination. But everyone knows this and has always known this. Again, it is a tenet of universal precautions. A practioner is carefully examined for gross contamination and essentially "hosed off". If there is any contact with contaminated fluids, it is exceedingly slight. This virus must transmit much more easily than what we are being told if the MOST protected individuals are getting it.

 

[Wrong Element]

I understand what they're telling us about the science of ebola transmission. It is transmitted by direct contact with the bodily fluids of a symptomatic patient. If a person is asymptomatic, they cannot transmit the virus.
So, you're a healthcare worker who is very familiar with universal precautions. Infection control is standard operating procedure. For some reason, despite the science, infection control protocols are increased to full coverage with respirators.
As a healthcare worker with intimate knowledge of disease transmission and infection control, how do you come in direct contact with the bodily fluids of a symptomatic patient? Did you not know the patient was symptomatic? Universal precautions dictate that it is assumed that every patient is contagious. What is "symptomatic"? A fever? How high? Did infection control procedures breakdown? If they did, it would appear that it would have to be a catastrophic breakdown. It seems like the infection control regimen of your local tattoo parlor should be enough to protect you from ebola. How do sophisticated, intelligent healthcare workers contract ebola?

In the case of the nurses in Dallas, it appears they were infected during the time prior to the patient Duncan being officially diagnosed with Ebola -- when, for whatever reason, the hospital was being less careful. It appears the danger there is nearly over, since Duncan died 18 days ago.

As for those working in Africa, it only takes one mistake. I heard the other day that the new New York case is only the second doctor with DWB who has been infected with Ebola, which is a pretty strong record.

 

[Que]

With healthcare workers, they are careful. I suspect it is an itch and a subconscious rubbing of the nose or eyes that does it.

There's a reason healthcare workers do that weird zombie pose with their hands. Its to remind themselves they just sterilized their hands and they can't touch anything before heading into the surgical suite.

 

[bronzeage]

I understand what they're telling us about the science of ebola transmission. It is transmitted by direct contact with the bodily fluids of a symptomatic patient. If a person is asymptomatic, they cannot transmit the virus.
So, you're a healthcare worker who is very familiar with universal precautions. Infection control is standard operating procedure. For some reason, despite the science, infection control protocols are increased to full coverage with respirators.
As a healthcare worker with intimate knowledge of disease transmission and infection control, how do you come in direct contact with the bodily fluids of a symptomatic patient? Did you not know the patient was symptomatic? Universal precautions dictate that it is assumed that every patient is contagious. What is "symptomatic"? A fever? How high? Did infection control procedures breakdown? If they did, it would appear that it would have to be a catastrophic breakdown. It seems like the infection control regimen of your local tattoo parlor should be enough to protect you from ebola. How do sophisticated, intelligent healthcare workers contract ebola?

I could tell you, but I would have to give you ebola.

 

[Jennifer]

With healthcare workers, they are careful. I suspect it is an itch and a subconscious rubbing of the nose or eyes that does it.

There's a reason healthcare workers do that weird zombie pose with their hands. Its to remind themselves they just sterilized their hands and they can't touch anything before heading into the surgical suite.

Elbows may not drop below the waist-that's heresy.

I suspect they got it via their eyes. Their eyewear was only shields with no real

side protection. They needed wrap arounds.

 

[Saint Peter]

I blame the vapors. The land between liquid and gas.

Paper masks are ass. I keep telling you people this but you will not listen.

You never listen.



*cough*

 

[parodyluvr75]

I blame the vapors. The land between liquid and gas.

Paper masks are ass. I keep telling you people this but you will not listen.

You never listen.



*cough*

*bleaches Pete

 

[Saint Peter]

*bleaches Pete

Easy with the wire brush!

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[parodyluvr75]

Easy with the wire brush!

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You know you always want me to scrub harder.