A Thread to Help Gunophobes Friggin' Freak...

[eyer]

...AK-15 in a Box, anybody?

'Ghost Gunner' lets people make untraceable, homemade guns

Defense Distributed's newest project is a PC-connected milling machine that aims to streamline the process of self-assembling AR-15 semi-automatic rifles.

What is a "ghost gun?" It's any type of firearm that is self-assembled and untraceable. It's one of gun control advocates and lawmakers biggest fears.

A few years ago, putting together such guns took insider knowledge and expertise. But with the growth of 3D printing, making gun parts has become easier. Now, with the release of a low-cost home milling machine, anonymously making firearm parts is even simpler.

Cody Wilson, the self-described anarchist who debuted the first 3D printed handgun in 2013, announced the launch of his newest project on Wednesday called Ghost Gunner.

Ghost Gunner is a computer-connected milling machine that aims to streamline the making of metal lower receivers for AR-15 semi-automatic rifles. While putting together AR-15 lower receivers at home is nothing new, Wilson's machine could speed up and modernize the process.

...Defense Distributed built Ghost Gunner from the ground up using open-source hardware. The compact cube-shaped mill is constructed with a rigid steel frame and its drill bit can ready a lower receiver to be fit into other AR-15 components in an hour.

Not all jacked-up, yet?

Here:

The AR-15 is thought of as one of the most deadly guns in the US. Almost every mass shooting over the past couple of decades involved an AR-15, from Columbine to Sandy Hook.

And, for the icing on the proverbial cake:

California Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed [California state Sen. Kevin] de Leon's bill on Tuesday saying, "I appreciated the author's concerns about gun violence, but I can't see how adding a serial number to a homemade gun would significantly advance public safety."

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/ghost-gunner-lets-people-make-untraceable-home-made-guns/

 

[Amberchgo]

The AR-15 is thought of as one of the most deadly guns in the US. Almost every mass shooting over the past couple of decades involved an AR-15, from Columbine to Sandy Hook.




Ummm . No. Nice spin though. Run with it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh teh noes. Why would anybody really freak about this? There isn't a whole lot you can do to prevent it but it seems easy enough to make it illegal to print weapons and then put another law in place that if you are caught with one of these weapons that it's automatically extra time on your sentence. Problem solved.

The AR-15 is thought of as one of the most deadly guns in the US. Almost every mass shooting over the past couple of decades involved an AR-15, from Columbine to Sandy Hook.




Ummm . No. Nice spin though. Run with it.

Since you apparently know off the top of your head what kinds of weapons were used in the large mass shootings?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

When the zombie squirrels attack, I'd rather have a shotgun.

 

[Que]

Oh teh noes. Why would anybody really freak about this? There isn't a whole lot you can do to prevent it but it seems easy enough to make it illegal to print weapons and then put another law in place that if you are caught with one of these weapons that it's automatically extra time on your sentence. Problem solved.



Since you apparently know off the top of your head what kinds of weapons were used in the large mass shootings?

So, if I invent a new weapon (or new designer drug) previously unheard of that falls under no current legislation, then what?

If I make my own long bow and arrows, then what?

If I hand-forge my own quarrels from uncoiled suspension springs and make a crossbow from an old set of leaf-springs, then what?

What if I make my own trebuchet? (I have by the way. Mine was affectionately called "Trey Bucket.")

On my to-do list is to acquire a trip-hammer and teach myself to forge Damascas Steel.

If you are not willing to bomb Iran's nuclear capability, don't bother knocking on my door for a zip-gun, a home-made mortar, or a c-n-c'd AR15

 

[Amberchgo]

Since you apparently know off the top of your head what kinds of weapons were used in the large mass shootings?

http://acolumbinesite.com/weapon.html


Never heard of Google?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

What's the % mass shooting survivors? Deterrents only affect the law abiding or the surviving, as do most gun laws.

 

[Sean Renaud]

So, if I invent a new weapon (or new designer drug) previously unheard of that falls under no current legislation, then what?

If I make my own long bow and arrows, then what?

If I hand-forge my own quarrels from uncoiled suspension springs and make a crossbow from an old set of leaf-springs, then what?

What if I make my own trebuchet? (I have by the way. Mine was affectionately called "Trey Bucket.")

On my to-do list is to acquire a trip-hammer and teach myself to forge Damascas Steel.

If you are not willing to bomb Iran's nuclear capability, don't bother knocking on my door for a zip-gun, a home-made mortar, or a c-n-c'd AR15

If you are the one in a million guy smart enough to make a weapon or drug that doesn't fall under current legislation you deserve to get away with whatever it is you're doing. Nobody is ever going to catch you anyway because you're somewhere between Batman and Ironman on the IQ charts.

If you want to use a crossbow power to you. Nobody cares. At all. However if it became an issue same thing with guns. You need to register it, if it's not registered fuck you, jail.

If you make your own trebuchet . . .honestly who cares? But I'd be willing to bet without even stretching to hard you could put it under the same laws that prevent people from owning mortars.

If I'm not willing to make war on a soverign nation I shouldn't want to be safe in my own country? Because yeah that makes zero sense. I honestly don't get how pro-gun people can even joke about preventing Iran or Korea from getting the bomb. They have the same "God" given rights you claim exist.

 

[Que]

Most (if not all) modern color printers for the last decade or two have code in their drivers that micro-prints identifiers that are machine specific.

They have worked with the secret service on digital color copiers so that it recognizes and will not print US Currency.

They will have the BATF strong-arm the manufacturers of hardware, and the NSA will track without a warrant and report downloads of software to print these things.

In the highly unlikely event one of these rifles happens to be one of the 400 rifles a year used nationwide to commit a murder, and if it is left at the scene. Similar rifles made on the same machine with the same bit can likely be discerned. So if one guy is cranking out 3-4 of these a day and selling them (already illegal), he will be caught.

 

[Que]

If you are the one in a million guy smart enough to make a weapon or drug that doesn't fall under current legislation you deserve to get away with whatever it is you're doing. Nobody is ever going to catch you anyway because you're somewhere between Batman and Ironman on the IQ charts.

If you want to use a crossbow power to you. Nobody cares. At all. However if it became an issue same thing with guns. You need to register it, if it's not registered fuck you, jail.

If you make your own trebuchet . . .honestly who cares? But I'd be willing to bet without even stretching to hard you could put it under the same laws that prevent people from owning mortars.

If I'm not willing to make war on a sovereign nation I shouldn't want to be safe in my own country? Because yeah that makes zero sense. I honestly don't get how pro-gun people can even joke about preventing Iran or Korea from getting the bomb. They have the same "God" given rights you claim exist.

And I have the same Allah-given rights to be a sovereign person as you (and I) might think the Iranians have.

If Detente is a true principle for nations of men, it is a valid principle neighbor to neighbor.

If you are willing to threaten or employ the violence of the state on a single man who has not menaced his neighbors other than having the capacity to menace his neighbors, then it should be a world-wide goal to remove all weapons from the globe using weapons and force to accomplish that goal.

Since the Chinese invented gunpowder it has only taken knowledge and skill or the money to hire someone with knowledge and skill to arm oneself with a firearm. That will never change.

 

[FGB]

Idiots.

How hard is it to download instructions to make a machine gun? sure it would only be a 9 mm but hell!

Not very.

Detailed instructions.
Drawings
hardware store parts list.

you will need a small metal lathe...and ammo.



Idiots.

 

[Que]

^^The reason criminals do not bother to build a sub-machine gun or modify a semi-automatic is because a criminal needs LESS rounds than the people defending themselves from criminals.

Most murders happen with a cheap hand gun. The most common scenario is that the murderer is a gang member, he walks or drives up on another unsuspecting gang member, shoots him dead with no warning and walks or drives away.

A sub-machine gun would attract undue attention be a hassle to make, modify or acquire, be expensive, hard to conceal, and bring the feds down on you unnecessarily.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And I have the same Allah-given rights to be a sovereign person as you (and I) might think the Iranians have.

If Detente is a true principle for nations of men, it is a valid principle neighbor to neighbor.

If you are willing to threaten or employ the violence of the state on a single man who has not menaced his neighbors other than having the capacity to menace his neighbors, then it should be a world-wide goal to remove all weapons from the globe using weapons and force to accomplish that goal.

Since the Chinese invented gunpowder it has only taken knowledge and skill or the money to hire someone with knowledge and skill to arm oneself with a firearm. That will never change.

You are part of my country, you kinda sacrifice that whole "sovereign" thing when you become a citizen.

The two things you are comparing are not remotely the same and you know it. We are all willing to employ the violence of the state on a single man or group of people who have not menaced their neighbors. That's entirely different from nations however.

No it will not change, but you can still minimize the risks.

^^The reason criminals do not bother to build a sub-machine gun or modify a semi-automatic is because a criminal needs LESS rounds than the people defending themselves from criminals.

Most murders happen with a cheap hand gun. The most common scenario is that the murderer is a gang member, he walks or drives up on another unsuspecting gang member, shoots him dead with no warning and walks or drives away.

A sub-machine gun would attract undue attention be a hassle to make, modify or acquire, be expensive, hard to conceal, and bring the feds down on you unnecessarily.

Criminals do not need less rounds than people defending themselves. That's an aburd thing to say.

I'm curious where you get your stats on what the most common kind of shooting is.

 

[Que]

You are part of my country, you kinda sacrifice that whole "sovereign" thing when you become a citizen.

The two things you are comparing are not remotely the same and you know it. We are all willing to employ the violence of the state on a single man or group of people who have not menaced their neighbors. That's entirely different from nations however.

No it will not change, but you can still minimize the risks.



Criminals do not need less rounds than people defending themselves. That's an aburd thing to say.

I'm curious where you get your stats on what the most common kind of shooting is.

It is not your country- it is our country if and only if we agree to let the government exist at all, and to what extent.

FBI uniform crime statistics.

THere is a great book I forget the title about guns and saefty and statistics and what happened in inidvidual areas when gun laws were relaxe, gun ownership went up etc.

I still think you would be OK with my having whatever, once you accept (a leap, of course) that I am of sound mind and that my morals would require not only that I safeguard my weapons, but that I cannot use them at all if any other alternative exists.

Extend that to 100 million gun owners, with say 500 or so of those wack-a-doodles, and 30 million SOUNDING like wacka doodles but they really aren't and you would not mind it so much.

Except I doubt i can carry into your state...(I'll check) I should take you to a range. I know you know how to shoot, probably better and safer than I since you learned from people that know what they are doing teaching that stuff, but (I think) you haven't done it for fun, and met the sort of people that DO do it for fun and (maybe wackadoodle) sense of responsible citizenship.

You ever meet small town volunteer fire dept guys? They take that shit VERY seriously... even if it is just someones chicken coop burning down. Gun owners are (mostly) those guys.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It is not your country- it is our country if and only if we agree to let the government exist at all, and to what extent.

FBI uniform crime statistics.

THere is a great book I forget the title about guns and saefty and statistics and what happened in inidvidual areas when gun laws were relaxe, gun ownership went up etc.

I still think you would be OK with my having whatever, once you accept (a leap, of course) that I am of sound mind and that my morals would require not only that I safeguard my weapons, but that I cannot use them at all if any other alternative exists.

Extend that to 100 million gun owners, with say 500 or so of those wack-a-doodles, and 30 million SOUNDING like wacka doodles but they really aren't and you would not mind it so much.

Except I doubt i can carry into your state...(I'll check) I should take you to a range. I know you know how to shoot, probably better and safer than I since you learned from people that know what they are doing teaching that stuff, but (I think) you haven't done it for fun, and met the sort of people that DO do it for fun and (maybe wackadoodle) sense of responsible citizenship.

You ever meet small town volunteer fire dept guys? They take that shit VERY seriously... even if it is just someones chicken coop burning down. Gun owners are (mostly) those guys.

We've all collectively agreed to let the government exist, we are quite a few steps removed by that and no group large enough to care about is talking about overthrowing the government. So clearly we agreed there.

I assume you can cite the FBI crime statistic that is relevant here? Cus I'm just sayin that sounds like pure bullshit to me.

You being of sound mind has little to do with it to be honest. I assume that most people are of "sound mind" that doesn't make your weapon any less dangerous. I'd be happy if people would stop pretending they care when kids get shot though or when we have mass shootings or what not. I don't see why we can't treat it the same way we do DUI deaths and just shrug admit we don't give a shit and move on.

Your morals are such that you think owning a gun is a good thing. That's ultimately all I need to know about your morals. See cus when you have one, I need one, and when I need one Vette needs one and everybody else needs one and then it's just a matter of time before one of us uses them.

I've been to the range not too long ago. I have a security guard friend with a big yen for some serious fire power.

I don't even know how your last point is relevant to anything.

 

[Que]

No, I'm not going to fucking cite. Ish had a whole thread arguing that shit, and I've quoted them in the past. If you do not know that 1/2 of all murders in this country happen specifically in the hood with gang members killing gang members than do not even talk to me about guns and or violence.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No, I'm not going to fucking cite. Ish had a whole thread arguing that shit, and I've quoted them in the past. If you do not know that 1/2 of all murders in this country happen specifically in the hood with gang members killing gang members than do not even talk to me about guns and or violence.

You could have just admitted you were pulling shit out of your ass.

 

[Que]

You could have just admitted you were pulling shit out of your ass.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

Do you own damned reading.

 

[Sean Renaud]

No. You made a claim, not me.