Why isn't the NRA all over the shooting of John Crawford III?

[Phelia]

They went out of their way to make sure that the psychotic Texans who insisted on bringing assault rifles to restaurants didn't feel "weird." This 22-year-old father was killed just for holding something that LOOKED like an assault weapon. The police who shot him to death were not indicted. Where are all the official statements about an American's god-given right to open carry? Where's the outrage from gun enthusiasts?

To everyone who needed "more evidence" after an unarmed Michael Brown was riddled with bullets: white American policemen are murdering black people. Open your fucking eyes. Watch the video and tell me there isn't something very, very wrong happening.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Toubab, Vetty, AJ and Grampa Kiddiefucker will be along shortly to demonize the #ScaryBlackMan with their trademark #VictimBlaming

 

[Que]

Uh, no.

NRA has actual spokesmen, commentators, a sirrrus channel and pundits. If you want to speak for the NRA's position on things, perhaps you should visit them.

The NRA has called for restraint on open carry of rifles because of the negative image associated with it (not to mention it's difficult to do safely in a crowd).

Concealed carry is the neighborly thing to do. In my state as long as you are not a prohibited person you can carry concealed, no license required as it should be.

Police make mistakes all the time. The only reason this incident isn't part of what could be a productive dialogue on the need for better, more rigorous training, the excessive militarization of a lot of departments, and the need for civilian review boards is because the only incidents the public are interested in are ones that can advance some other agenda as you attempted to do here.

I gather you are not a fan of guns. Fine. You are aware there are already plenty of guns not only for every criminal, but for every man woman and child in America if we spread the wealth around?

Of all the lawful gun-owners that have never mishandled or misused a firearm that you (I assume) fear, what special characteristic in one of those people with guns is suddenly transferred to that person by a short stint in the police academy? Gun bad; gun + a badge good?

 

[pete]

why should the nra be mad?
are the guns being taken away now?

if the people who reviewed the evidence in this case didn't return an indictment, then why should we?

honestly, i'm not sure whats expected here. should we just fire all the white cops or something?

there was recently a black kid killed by a black cop, should he be fired too?

 

[Phelia]

Toubab, Vetty, AJ and Grampa Kiddiefucker will be along shortly to demonize the #ScaryBlackMan with their trademark #VictimBlaming

They don't respond to my threads anymore. Too content in the RWCJ echo chamber, and also I'm a vewy mean scawy lady. But the 911 caller who reported a black man pointing a gun at children (which footage clearly contradicts) was a "marine," so there's that.

 

[Saint Peter]

one shot

one kill

 

[BotanyBoy]

Toubab, Vetty, AJ and Grampa Kiddiefucker will be along shortly to demonize the #ScaryBlackMan with their trademark #VictimBlaming

Gawd forbid their precious police state take any fucking responsibility and just shame the bad cops for being bad cops. Nope...gotta defend them b/c it's what a true m'urican would dew.

Cuz if you're not gonna stand behind them, stand in front of em' hurrrrr!!!

 

[Sean Renaud]

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I gather you are not a fan of guns. Fine. You are aware there are already plenty of guns not only for every criminal, but for every man woman and child in America if we spread the wealth around?

Of all the lawful gun-owners that have never mishandled or misused a firearm that you (I assume) fear, what special characteristic in one of those people with guns is suddenly transferred to that person by a short stint in the police academy? Gun bad; gun + a badge good?

Concealed Carry is worse than walking around with a rifle. Neighborly. No that's more accurately the criminal thing to do and just because it's legal in your area doesn't take away from the only reason you'd want a concealed weapon.

As for the cops, they have proper training and are government officials. Ideally they wouldn't need to be armed, plenty of actual civil societies have insufficient gun violent to justify the cops carrying them, but we are barbarians in the US. That said they are still the government. So yes Gun bad, Gun+Badge=Good. This is real basic shit that should need to be explained.

 

[Phelia]

Uh, no.

NRA has actual spokesmen, commentators, a sirrrus channel and pundits. If you want to speak for the NRA's position on things, perhaps you should visit them.

The NRA has called for restraint on open carry of rifles because of the negative image associated with it (not to mention it's difficult to do safely in a crowd).

Concealed carry is the neighborly thing to do. In my state as long as you are not a prohibited person you can carry concealed, no license required as it should be.

Police make mistakes all the time. The only reason this incident isn't part of what could be a productive dialogue on the need for better, more rigorous training, the excessive militarization of a lot of departments, and the need for civilian review boards is because the only incidents the public are interested in are ones that can advance some other agenda as you attempted to do here.

I gather you are not a fan of guns. Fine. You are aware there are already plenty of guns not only for every criminal, but for every man woman and child in America if we spread the wealth around?

Of all the lawful gun-owners that have never mishandled or misused a firearm that you (I assume) fear, what special characteristic in one of those people with guns is suddenly transferred to that person by a short stint in the police academy? Gun bad; gun + a badge good?

lol

why should the nra be mad?
are the guns being taken away now?

if the people who reviewed the evidence in this case didn't return an indictment, then why should we?

honestly, i'm not sure whats expected here. should we just fire all the white cops or something?

there was recently a black kid killed by a black cop, should he be fired too?

Uh, maybe because the US Justice Department is reviewing the incident at the request of the Governor and Attorney General of Ohio because it's so obviously a gross violation of decency, reason, and humanity?

Please get the fuck out with your ignorant apologist bullshit and your patronizing, disingenuous questions. Thanks.

 

[toubab]

They went out of their way to make sure that the psychotic Texans who insisted on bringing assault rifles to restaurants didn't feel "weird." This 22-year-old father was killed just for holding something that LOOKED like an assault weapon. The police who shot him to death were not indicted. Where are all the official statements about an American's god-given right to open carry? Where's the outrage from gun enthusiasts?

To everyone who needed "more evidence" after an unarmed Michael Brown was riddled with bullets: white American policemen are murdering black people. Open your fucking eyes. Watch the video and tell me there isn't something very, very wrong happening.

This is nothing like the Michael Brown shooting. Nothing like it. I think these cops clearly were wrong, but I also understand why they were not indicted. It's a tragedy of circumstances. I see nothing about it having to do with race.

 

[Que]

Concealed Carry is worse than walking around with a rifle. Neighborly. No that's more accurately the criminal thing to do and just because it's legal in your area doesn't take away from the only reason you'd want a concealed weapon.

As for the cops, they have proper training and are government officials. Ideally they wouldn't need to be armed, plenty of actual civil societies have insufficient gun violent to justify the cops carrying them, but we are barbarians in the US. That said they are still the government. So yes Gun bad, Gun+Badge=Good. This is real basic shit that should need to be explained.

Are you nuts? Can you imagine running into a tough guy wanna-be like Rob with a gun on your hip that he thinks he can take away? Open carry is better than no carry if you need it. I usually do not carry at all. If I might need it, I don't want to be targeted first. Concealed carry enables you to extricate yourself from a potentially bad situation with confidence. With any luck, no one ever knows that the guy they just picked a fight with was armed. Not a huge problem for me because I don't raise people's fight or flight response. Carrying is a burden that shouldn't be lightly undertaken as it actually limits your options in situations. You sure as hell wouldn't want to swing first then later decide you needed the weapon.

"Government officials" means nothing. Proper training is minimal at best.

I don't consider myself proficient, and I know few cops that are any better. I practice at 7 and 10 yards for actual practice, longer for fun. Real shooters expend a minimum of 2,000 rounds a month just to retain their skills.

 

[Sean]

And don't ever do what the police tell you to if you're black:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/why-...hooting-unarmed-motorist-during-traffic-stop/

 

[Phelia]

Gawd forbid their precious police state take any fucking responsibility and just shame the bad cops for being bad cops. Nope...gotta defend them b/c it's what a true m'urican would dew.

Cuz if you're not gonna stand behind them, stand in front of em' hurrrrr!!!

The real problem here is that police don't have rocket launchers.

one shot

one kill

41 shots. Bruce Springsteen was singing about this shit over a decade ago.

To those lacking the basic mental faculties required to make linear logical connections, this thread is not actually about the NRA, or guns. If your confusion persists, please take your computer and smash it over your head. That should clear things up for you immensely.

 

[RobDownSouth]

firearms embiggen the puniest beta male.

Edited to add: Finally we have a cop shooting a #ScaryBlackMan that even Queerbait, Dream59 and Toubab can't justify!

Edited to add: That fucker Sean beat me by one minute! ONE!

 

[Que]

lol



Uh, maybe because the US Justice Department is reviewing the incident at the request of the Governor and Attorney General of Ohio because it's so obviously a gross violation of decency, reason, and humanity?

Please get the fuck out with you ignorant apologist bullshit and your patronizing, disingenuous questions. Thanks.

Well...since you said "please"...

I am pretty sure that "lol" and "disingenuous questions" is code for "do not interrupt my carefully prepared screed.

Does it occur to you that people might choose not to engage with you on issues because or your lack of interest in actual discourse?

His questions are "patronizing" and your "lol" is, what? Reasoned debate?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

They went out of their way to make sure that the psychotic Texans who insisted on bringing assault rifles to restaurants didn't feel "weird." This 22-year-old father was killed just for holding something that LOOKED like an assault weapon. The police who shot him to death were not indicted. Where are all the official statements about an American's god-given right to open carry? Where's the outrage from gun enthusiasts?

To everyone who needed "more evidence" after an unarmed Michael Brown was riddled with bullets: white American policemen are murdering black people. Open your fucking eyes. Watch the video and tell me there isn't something very, very wrong happening.

What's worse is, he was holding a product that was for sale in that very store.

Unfortunately, a pathological liar called 911 and told them that there was a black male threatening to shoot people. Clearly a lie when you view the surveillance video, but it is understandable that the cops went in guns blazing.

Here is the fucking liar: http://www.whio.com/videos/news/man-who-called-911-in-walmart-shooting-talks-to/vCmptw/

The liar claimed to be an ex-marine but they kicked his ass out after 7 weeks.

http://bearingarms.com/ex-marine-swatted-black-shopper-death-walmart-changes-story/

This man should be charged with a crime, blood is on his hands moreso than the police. Is filing a false claim a crime?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Are you nuts? Can you imagine running into a tough guy wanna-be like Rob with a gun on your hip that he thinks he can take away? Open carry is better than no carry if you need it. I usually do not carry at all. If I might need it, I don't want to be targeted first. Concealed carry enables you to extricate yourself from a potentially bad situation with confidence. With any luck, no one ever knows that the guy they just picked a fight with was armed. Not a huge problem for me because I don't raise people's fight or flight response. Carrying is a burden that shouldn't be lightly undertaken as it actually limits your options in situations. You sure as hell wouldn't want to swing first then later decide you needed the weapon.

"Government officials" means nothing. Proper training is minimal at best.

I don't consider myself proficient, and I know few cops that are any better. I practice at 7 and 10 yards for actual practice, longer for fun. Real shooters expend a minimum of 2,000 rounds a month just to retain their skills.

My hip is a strange place for a rifle. But I'll run the risk including being targeted first. The simple fact is that you want a concealed weapon because you don't want people to know you're armed. And that's primarily a good thing for criminals. Sure you point out there are good reasons for it but there are good reasons for just about anything.

Government official does not mean nothing. It means they are the fucking government and have a "right" to carry. That's not about their training. I don't know how much training police get, I would agree with your minimal but if you need to expend 2000 rounds a month it's because you don't have skills in the first place. Sheesh. I expended a mere fraction of that every year in the Marines and shot just fine. Unless your skills are literally crazy shit like pulling your own targets you don't need to fire THAT much to retain shit.

The cops hopefully have the proper respect for the weapon but that's again not the point, the point is they are the government.

 

[pete]

Uh, maybe because the US Justice Department is reviewing the incident at the request of the Governor and Attorney General of Ohio because it's so obviously a gross violation of decency, reason, and humanity?

Please get the fuck out with you ignorant apologist bullshit and your patronizing, disingenuous questions. Thanks.

first of all, there's really no need to be nasty to me.
if you actually want to discuss a topic with me like a rational adult, i'm game.
but cursing at me neither forwards your argument effectively, nor respects me.

you call me an apologist, but that isnt what i did. you villify the cops for pre-judging the victim, but isn't that what you're doing ? rushing to judgment without complete possession of the facts?

if the cops were wrong, they should be punished accordingly, period.
the cops' race should have absolutely nothing to do with anything.

if you're angry about the cops, that's your right.
but i imagine you have hate for the grand jury also, since they didn't issue an indictment. and if the DOJ doesn't take any action, what then?

 

[toubab]

And don't ever do what the police tell you to if you're black:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/why-...hooting-unarmed-motorist-during-traffic-stop/

Cop clearly in the wrong. Firing from police force justified. Arrest and charges justified. Still see nothing to indicate race was involved.

 

[Que]

My hip is a strange place for a rifle. But I'll run the risk including being targeted first. The simple fact is that you want a concealed weapon because you don't want people to know you're armed. And that's primarily a good thing for criminals. Sure you point out there are good reasons for it but there are good reasons for just about anything.

Government official does not mean nothing. It means they are the fucking government and have a "right" to carry. That's not about their training. I don't know how much training police get, I would agree with your minimal but if you need to expend 2000 rounds a month it's because you don't have skills in the first place. Sheesh. I expended a mere fraction of that every year in the Marines and shot just fine. Unless your skills are literally crazy shit like pulling your own targets you don't need to fire THAT much to retain shit.

The cops hopefully have the proper respect for the weapon but that's again not the point, the point is they are the government.

Uh..I have the exact same "right" to carry as any government official. If we are going to disarm people, you start with the "peace officers" first. That is the difference between a free society and a police state.

It is also a good thing for law-abiding people not seeking confrontations. safety is also the reason that cops carry their back-up weapon concealed.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Cop clearly in the wrong. Firing from police force justified. Arrest and charges justified. Still see nothing to indicate race was involved.

Quoting for posterity, and for lolz if the guy who got shot turns out to have had a criminal record (which will, of course, have toubab talking out of the other side of his mouth).

 

[toubab]

What's worse is, he was holding a product that was for sale in that very store.

Unfortunately, a pathological liar called 911 and told them that there was a black male threatening to shoot people. Clearly a lie when you view the surveillance video, but it is understandable that the cops went in guns blazing.

Here is the fucking liar: http://www.whio.com/videos/news/man-who-called-911-in-walmart-shooting-talks-to/vCmptw/

The liar claimed to be an ex-marine but they kicked his ass out after 7 weeks.

http://bearingarms.com/ex-marine-swatted-black-shopper-death-walmart-changes-story/

This man should be charged with a crime, blood is on his hands moreso than the police. Is filing a false claim a crime?

This is the idiot responsible for this tragedy. If there were some legal way to punish him for what he did, I would be in favor of it. This really makes me angry. I do wonder if this idiot would have made that call to the police if the guy with the pellet rifle had been white.

 

[toubab]

Quoting for posterity, and for lolz if the guy who got shot turns out to have had a criminal record (which will, of course, have toubab talking out of the other side of his mouth).

That's ridiculous. The only way that would be relevant would be if the cop knew the guy had a history of criminal violence.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Uh..I have the exact same "right" to carry as any government official. If we are going to disarm people, you start with the "peace officers" first. That is the difference between a free society and a police state.

It is also a good thing for law-abiding people not seeking confrontations. safety is also the reason that cops carry their back-up weapon concealed.

You have it because it's afforded to you and no you end with the Peace Officers. That's insanity, when you start a country one of the things that goes along with it is you get an exclusive license to do violence within your borders. That's not the difference between a free society and a police state. That's the difference between a society and anarchy.

It's better for killing people than not seeking confrontations. Concealed weapons are for criminals and that is the primary need for one. Period. The fact that we live in a society that is sufficiently fucked that we sometimes feel the need to carry is annoying.

 

[Mr_Jon_Thon]

And a legally acquired and registered firearm is primarily for self defense from those who illegally acquired them and are intent on committing criminal acts.