Implying a minor's sexual development

[JLCC]

Hi again
One of my "hopper" stories is an ADULT stepdaughter/daddy theme. In the original, *unsubmitted* version, I am telling a tale of an encounter between the two that is punctuated with flashbacks of the girl's life with her step-dad, events that are pertinent to the current story.

At no time do I even suggest that the two have sex before she is 18, and take great care to ensure the reader knows that all sexual activity between the two occurs after she is 18. /disclaimer

However, in the original, she does have a solo experience watching porn. I don't describe her experience explicitly, other than her experimenting with spanking herself and the fact that she does masturbate and orgasm. I present it as a factual statement, not descriptive. OTOH, I do describe a couple of scenes she watches.

This seems to violate guidelines, though I have seen stories here where a 16 year old has consensual sex with someone her own age.

1) Would this violate guidelines?
2) If so, how might you tackle this character development? Despite what it appears in some stories, girls don't just turn on a switch at 18 and develop an immediate, voracious appetite.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yes, it does break the rules. Assuming the story is screened, which is not always a given as you proved yourself by finding one of the many under age stories here.

But that doesn't mean you should emulate the rule breakers.

If it were me, I would simply put something to the effect of the girl recalling that she masturbated to the step father without mentioning an age.

"I couldn't count how many times, Id lain there in my bed, stroking my pussy to the thought of..." no age no "years ago" just a reference.

Many readers know of the rule and I think in their minds they assume you are talking younger anyway.

 

[JLCC]

As I posted, I see the Barely Legal thread. Not instructive, but informative.

 

[sr71plt]

However, in the original, she does have a solo experience watching porn. I don't describe her experience explicitly, other than her experimenting with spanking herself and the fact that she does masturbate and orgasm. I present it as a factual statement, not descriptive. OTOH, I do describe a couple of scenes she watches.

You do realize these are all sex acts, don't you? Is it clear in the story that she was under 18 when she was doing these things? If so, I doubt it would fly. You never can tell, though, and there's really only one editor you have to satisfy.

 

[JKendallDane]

Yep. Once you go beyond the most generic mention of masturbation with any character under eighteen...male OR female...you are shooting yourself in the foot.

Flashing back to under eighteen memories is okay within reason, but any descriptive action or bringing in stuff like experimental self-spanking, nipple play, terms like "wet and sticky fingers" or "quivering orgasm", and even viewing others in a sex act, are all things that will be considered crossing the line.

It's far easier to simply write on the safe side of the line than to invest time in seeing if you can move it.

 

[lovecraft68]

As I posted, I see the Barely Legal thread. Not instructive, but informative.

The Barely Legal thread is a discussion that has nothing to do with the rules of the site except the OP complaining about them, so not much in the way of instruction there.

 

[JLCC]

"It's far easier to simply write on the safe side of the line than to invest time in seeing if you can move it."

Not trying to move the line. I am new here with one submission pending. Trying to understand the community. I am not here to argue Lit's philosophy. Its theirs to manage and as a noob writer, I am more than happy to follow their rules.

I will disagree with you though. I, surprisingly, found myself drawn to these types of stories. I was put off by the sometimes spontaneous awareness that some of the girls went through. It made the stories kind of contrived, at least to me.

In fact, I had thought of a satire story where this sweet little thing turns 18 and declares she is going to be a cum-guzzling slut and immediately seduces her dad who, much to her delight, offers to bring over three of his friends the next day. Etc.

Anyhow, working it and I appreciate any way to believably and ethically develop the character.

 

[lovecraft68]

In fact, I had thought of a satire story where this sweet little thing turns 18 and declares she is going to be a cum-guzzling slut and immediately seduces her dad who, much to her delight, offers to bring over three of his friends the next day. Etc..

Satire? You just described half if not more of the father/daughter stories on here as well as all the group sex stories where the 18 year old virgin loses her cherry in a gang bang and fucks like Sasha Grey.

 

[JLCC]

Satire...I know. But I'd have done it in 3 pages!

 

[Hypoxia]

Make her an elf, not a human. Then she can do anything, anytime.

 

[JustaSCOUNDREL]

Certainly not an expert on what the Editor will and will not allow, but this it what I understand.

You can do something like refer to her losing her virginity when she was 16, but you may not comment on her receiving any sexual pleasure from the event, you may not even comment she masturbated to orgasm if under 18.

As Lovecraft mentioned there may be some workarounds if you are an author who has several submitted and approved stories. I believe new authors are subject to extra scrutiny for their first few stories.

From your description of your story I suspect it will rather quickly be rejected for underage.

 

[Erochic]

Haha... I wasn't reading well and thought for a second you were talking about Miners
My mind was full of images of sweaty men and rocks

 

[FullyLoadedUK]

Does writing a story with a relative timeline rather than a fixed one not work?

Five years have past since my fingers first went on a expedition in search of the magical juice that made her panties wet when she thought of her goat like uncle. If only he would shave the beard off because the clean shaven with horns look was iN now thanks to Harry potter.

Anyway, with the relative timeline your left to figuring it all out by the way the characters act and talk now.

 

[Hypoxia]

Does writing a story with a relative timeline rather than a fixed one not work?

Depends on what you mean by 'work'. Does that mean violating the guidelines established by this free website's owner?

It's pretty clear. Sexual experiences by underage humans may not be depicted here. A general description may pass -- "I lost my virginity at 15" is okay, but "His chubby pre-pubescent cock just tasted so good" ain't. Depiction vs description -- that's the key. Even sexual thoughts may be disallowed. I posed a hypothetical; Laurel replied that "I lusted after her budding body" crosses the line. So, be careful.

Yes, underage sex DOES slip past the screening. Sometimes readers complain and it's removed. Nothing's perfect. Yes, stories barely skirting the rules ARE approved. It's always Laurel's call.

 

[robertreams]

I have written several storiesi n which I refer to or infer minor sexual experience, and they have passed. In one case I talk about a very early experience in a scout tent but there is no description of the act. In another story I refer to a character being raped by a pedophile. Once again, I do not describe the incident, but use it to build an aspect of my protagonist's character.

 

[JLCC]

Thanks all! I've got a couple ideas on how to manage it and might even make it a better story, at least from my perspective.

 

[49greg]

Off on a tangent about under age.... In real life.

A question for Real Life. Nothing at all to do with Lit.

I got into a discussion at work once about kiddie porn. Well actually I was listening to a couple of guys talking in the lunch room.

One person put forth the question. If a child of today, underage, started using his/her camera phone to take nude pics of him/her self, to document the changes in his her body as they grew older and matured.

The pictures get saved by this person and finally at age ... whatever, 25, 35 doesn't matter, they're of age now, and still have the nude pics that they took of themselves at a young age. At no time did that person ever show the pics to others, or even reveal the fact that they had them.

Now at say, 25, someone else looks into their computer and finds them and reports to the police. Would the person be guilty of having child porn, even though they were of themselves at a younger age?

 

[StrangeLife]

A question for Real Life. Nothing at all to do with Lit.

I got into a discussion at work once about kiddie porn. Well actually I was listening to a couple of guys talking in the lunch room.

One person put forth the question. If a child of today, underage, started using his/her camera phone to take nude pics of him/her self, to document the changes in his her body as they grew older and matured.

The pictures get saved by this person and finally at age ... whatever, 25, 35 doesn't matter, they're of age now, and still have the nude pics that they took of themselves at a young age. At no time did that person ever show the pics to others, or even reveal the fact that they had them.

Now at say, 25, someone else looks into their computer and finds them and reports to the police. Would the person be guilty of having child porn, even though they were of themselves at a younger age?

Very likely. And I believe there have been several cases like this, though I can't recall the names. I think some were dropped, but a few resulted in registration as a sex offender. Which is a pretty hard cross to bear...

 

[lovecraft68]

After what happened to amicus I think it best to drop this thread and let it go away.

If it keeps up someone might pm Laurel and tell her the op was discussing underage sex

 

[oggbashan]

After what happened to amicus I think it best to drop this thread and let it go away.

If it keeps up someone might pm Laurel and tell her the op was discussing underage sex

That is unlikely. This is not one of a series of threads asking for details of under age sex, nor is it claiming that describing under age sex is a 'right'.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Satire? You just described half if not more of the father/daughter stories on here as well as all the group sex stories where the 18 year old virgin loses her cherry in a gang bang and fucks like Sasha Grey.

When in reality, in order to fuck like that, she'd either need to be a serious prodigy or else need to have lost her virginity much earlier, but then I repeat myself. Not that I don't have an older series or two with a prodigy like that, but the point to that story is that she is a prodigy, not a normal case.

 

[JLCC]

For clarity, I do not want to discuss nor portray a minor's sexual activity.

I appreciate the discussion here though. Like I said before, I think I can improve the story by taking that element out of the mix...but now I have to write it!

 

[oggbashan]

For clarity, I do not want to discuss nor portray a minor's sexual activity.

I appreciate the discussion here though. Like I said before, I think I can improve the story by taking that element out of the mix...but now I have to write it!

Which is what I thought. You were seeking advice on how to include backstory and motivation.

If you can do that without discussing activity before age 18, it will pass the approval process more easily.

 

[slyc_willie]

Very likely. And I believe there have been several cases like this, though I can't recall the names. I think some were dropped, but a few resulted in registration as a sex offender. Which is a pretty hard cross to bear...

I'm reminded of the case in which a fourteen-year-old girl posted nude pictures of herself on Facebook and was eventually arrested for distribution of child pornography. Probably going too far in my book, but for purposes of illustration, it fits the thread.

From my experiences and understanding, Literotica does allow for the inclusion of a sexual backstory for a character prior to age 18, provided it isn't explicitly detailed for the sake of arousing the reader. A lot of people on this site and forum get confused about this. A writer can have a character mention they were abused at an early age, just not include the exact nature of that abuse. Likewise, a writer can imply that a character has been sexually active before the magic age of 18 -- as many people are -- but without the explicit detail.

It's the "explicit detail" that sidelines a lot of writers and gets their stories rejected.

For example:

"I gave my first blowjob at (xx underage year) and I loved (insert gratuitous description here)." -- this won't fly by Lit's standards because the assumption (often rightly) is made that graphic depictions of sexual acts by minors will titillate/draw in readers looking for stories rooted in pedophilia. And seriously, if any writer is going to include graphic depictions of children having sex, it can't be anything but a story about pedophilia.

On the other hand . . . .

"I had my first experiences at a young age."

This simple statement would pass Lit's muster because it is frank, direct and without description. Assuming there is little or no further elaboration, the statement merely clarifies to the reader that the character is not a virgin, or at least not unfamiliar with at least some aspects of sex. And do you need more than that? Is it really necessary to go into detail what, exactly, a character felt, minute by minute, second by second, when they first had some sort of sexual experience as a XX-year-old?

My answer: no, it's not. Because, if you feel that to graphically describe sexual situations between children, then you are looking to write kiddie porn, and to cater to the audience that is looking for that. There are other sites for that.

A good writer can elude to past events without going into detail. If it is imperative to a story that a character was abused by an uncle/aunt/whatever at an early age, that can be worked in without providing a detailed flashback. Let the reader fill in the gaps.

 

[oggbashan]

Last night I looked at my first ever attempt at an erotic story, dating back to the early 1980s when I was writing it on a computer using CP/M and a very crude wordprocessor.

Much of the story is about the childhood of a wimp who is bullied by his playmates, but because he is such an easy target they move on, letting their younger sisters abuse him and beat him up.

That seemed important to the development of the story because the major plot line is about how he redeemed himself in the eyes of the villagers, achieved respect, honour and love.

But I couldn't and wouldn't post it here without major cuts about his childhood. What seemed reasonable in my first attempt is now awkward, embarrassing and crude and might be taken as sexual activity for children.

Again, some of my early stories about first time love (now long deleted from my floppy discs) were set in the UK. They involved 16 and 17 year olds because 16 is the legal age of consent here. Romeo and Juliet were of a legal age in Shakespeare's time.

Here on Literotica I follow the site's rules and guidelines. Nothing detailed happens before an 18th birthday.

Many of my stories, of course, happen after the 60th birthday.