U
New Witness to Michael Brown Shooting
- Thread starter toubab
- Start date
RobDownSouth
No Kings
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2002
- Posts
- 77,880
Given Vetty's advanced age, shaky hands and deterioratin' eyesight, no wonder he campaigns for large capacity clips. It would take him a minimum of one 30-round clip to drop a drug-crazed #ScaryBlackMan
:nods:
#PewPewPew
U
unregistered
Guest
Disgustipated
LAWLZ
- Joined
- Aug 18, 2011
- Posts
- 25,596
Limbaugh is addicted to drugs, got fired from his dream job and is tubby dummy.
Doesn't vettbirther usually rail against those qualities in a person?
Doesn't vettbirther usually rail against those qualities in a person?
Lorilei
asexual prude
- Joined
- Nov 4, 2007
- Posts
- 24,623
bronzeage
I am a river to my people
- Joined
- Jun 20, 2005
- Posts
- 49,685
Don't bother, I read your book.
When everyone is calling you a liar, claiming to have read a book is not a good move.
RobDownSouth
No Kings
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2002
- Posts
- 77,880
Sweet Baby Jesus, Ferguson Missouri is the gift that keeps on giving.
They are the national poster child for police incompetence and hubris.
nowisthetime
The Time Is Now!
- Joined
- Jun 20, 2014
- Posts
- 11,853
Wow! Finally another woman to post on this matter!
Lorilei
asexual prude
- Joined
- Nov 4, 2007
- Posts
- 24,623
I have never seen anything like that before. This police department has got to be one of the most inept, incompetent, strangest police departments in the entire country. They are doing their officer no favors. If he gets convicted of something down the road he should sue, or something, because his own department is making him look guilty by the way they are hiding information that should have been out there long ago. And if the excuse for such a piece of shit incident report is it's been turned over to North St. Louis, where is that incident report?
Sweet Baby Jesus, Ferguson Missouri is the gift that keeps on giving.
They are the national poster child for police incompetence and hubris.
I 100% agree.
Here's a link to the St. Louis County offense report, which is damn near as bad as Ferguson's:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/237539197/St-Louis-County-Offense-Report
This is some weird shit.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/237539197/St-Louis-County-Offense-Report
This is some weird shit.
butters
High on a Hill
- Joined
- Jul 2, 2009
- Posts
- 85,801
oh my lord - if nothing else comes of this, at least their incompetency as a public service has been highlighted which might mean improvements can be made.Sweet Baby Jesus, Ferguson Missouri is the gift that keeps on giving.
They are the national poster child for police incompetence and hubris.
of course, it could be they were atempting to hold back information that showed him to be guilty of one or more offenses in order to protect 'one of their own' and avoid making their whole team look bad. none of it looks good for anyone involved.
as to the NSL report, they stated they had 19 pages documenting the cigar theft but nothing apart from redacted/left blank stuff from the fatal shooting. also that they weren't contacted for 43 minutes after the shooting, so they have no idea what happened during that time.
J
JAMESBJOHNSON
Guest
I'm guessing you've never had a large animal attack you. I suppose you coo and warble dulcet tones that calm the savage breast of every criminal intent on hurting you. Nice people are dangerous fools.
That said, police tend to be excitable when interacting with feral children of the African persuasion. These people are loud and unflattering, and cops are impatient. But we tolerated zero nonsense at the hospital I worked for. None at all. Drunk or belligerent patients were restrained immediately. They hardly had time to frown and sulk before they were strapped to a bed.
RobDownSouth
No Kings
- Joined
- Apr 13, 2002
- Posts
- 77,880
butters
High on a Hill
- Joined
- Jul 2, 2009
- Posts
- 85,801
That's the problem, of course. You would think they would get any information that would make their officer look good out there as soon as possible. Most police departments would. So you're left to wonder.
Paul_Chance
The Watcher
- Joined
- Dec 23, 2011
- Posts
- 21,800
We're starting to see a little sanity return to media and starting to see more involved, detailed reporting, especially in the better news organizations. Eventually, it will all be public knowledge - I think part of the challenge of the modern media age is the speed at which we expect information to be available is often unrealistic, which leads to us filling in the blanks, whichever way we want to craft the narrative.
Prior to the conclusion of the grand jury and the initial investigation, it is not unusual to release redacted reports because they may contain details that have yet to be verified, or the names of witnesses who have yet to be publically identified. One of the things to keep in mind about the witnesses we've seen on television is that these are the people who, on their own, volunteered to come forward and seek out the media. Most people won't and don't (and that is not to say anything bad about them, it is just the way it is).
The riots are over and the media is already started the process of moving on to the next stories. The story may invoke a few people to make lasting changes in their behavior, perhaps to become involved in some cause. Most folks are simply going to move on to the next outrage, whatever it happens to be.
Prior to the conclusion of the grand jury and the initial investigation, it is not unusual to release redacted reports because they may contain details that have yet to be verified, or the names of witnesses who have yet to be publically identified. One of the things to keep in mind about the witnesses we've seen on television is that these are the people who, on their own, volunteered to come forward and seek out the media. Most people won't and don't (and that is not to say anything bad about them, it is just the way it is).
The riots are over and the media is already started the process of moving on to the next stories. The story may invoke a few people to make lasting changes in their behavior, perhaps to become involved in some cause. Most folks are simply going to move on to the next outrage, whatever it happens to be.
J
JAMESBJOHNSON
Guest
C'mon, BUTTERS. Tell us how you'd handle a violent 300 pound youth who's 6'-4" tall.
I recall the London soldier who had his head removed because he had no weapon.
I recall the London soldier who had his head removed because he had no weapon.
J
JAMESBJOHNSON
Guest
BUTTERS is clueless as to what she'd do with a violent assailant.
U
unregistered
Guest
Paul_Chance
The Watcher
- Joined
- Dec 23, 2011
- Posts
- 21,800
Oh, I thought I would mention one other thing I personally thought was interesting that no one has commented on, and that was the position of Mr. Brown's body - he is laid out in a line facing the officers car, which, forensically, indicates forward momentum. At the point of death all muscles of the body relax and the body surrenders to gravity. At this moment whatever momentum the body is carrying continues to effect the body.
A person standing straight up with crumble straight down. A person retreating will fall backwards, a person twisting will continue to twist, a person advancing will continue advancing. This only applies to fatal wounds that cause sudden death - usually something that hits the fatal T - the brain, the spine, or the heart. In other fatal wounds where death is quick but not sudden or instant, some additional muscle driven movement occurs.
We know this because, especially in the photographic age, we have thousands of fatal shootings on film, tape or digital and there are groups and individuals who have spent a lot of time analyzing them. That's science in action - repeated observations over time. Had the victim been standing still, he would have gone straight down in a crumpled position and then fell in one direction. He would not have been lined out. Additionally, if death is not sudden, a fatally wounded person does not line out - autonomic muscle reaction leads the body to begin to curl into a fetal position.
You can also see this effect in boxers who get knocked out - the continuation of the moment of the body when muscle control is lost. Moving forward, falling forward. Moving back, falling back. Straight up, crumble straight down.
Food for thought.
A person standing straight up with crumble straight down. A person retreating will fall backwards, a person twisting will continue to twist, a person advancing will continue advancing. This only applies to fatal wounds that cause sudden death - usually something that hits the fatal T - the brain, the spine, or the heart. In other fatal wounds where death is quick but not sudden or instant, some additional muscle driven movement occurs.
We know this because, especially in the photographic age, we have thousands of fatal shootings on film, tape or digital and there are groups and individuals who have spent a lot of time analyzing them. That's science in action - repeated observations over time. Had the victim been standing still, he would have gone straight down in a crumpled position and then fell in one direction. He would not have been lined out. Additionally, if death is not sudden, a fatally wounded person does not line out - autonomic muscle reaction leads the body to begin to curl into a fetal position.
You can also see this effect in boxers who get knocked out - the continuation of the moment of the body when muscle control is lost. Moving forward, falling forward. Moving back, falling back. Straight up, crumble straight down.
Food for thought.
U
unregistered
Guest
U
unregistered
Guest
U
unregistered
Guest
Similar threads
