New Witness to Michael Brown Shooting

[Balladeer08]

The more recent killing by cops of a young black man in the St. Louis area was videoed all the way, start to finish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU&bpctr=1408596052

Justified, or unjustified?

Probably should be in its own thread. Just to limit the cross-talk.

 

[Ishmael]

The more recent killing by cops of a young black man in the St. Louis area was videoed all the way, start to finish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU&bpctr=1408596052

Justified, or unjustified?

Who cares? Why should the color of a mans skin make any difference? Are we to become a nation of racially weighted law? Every battle fought in the 60's is going down the drain.

You can't integrate if you refuse to be accepted.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

This

seems to work.

Ishmael

 

[toubab]

Who cares? Why should the color of a mans skin make any difference? Are we to become a nation of racially weighted law? Every battle fought in the 60's is going down the drain.

You can't integrate if you refuse to be accepted.

Ishmael

Obviously, it shouldn't make a difference, but unfortunately, in the minds of many, including most black people, apparently, it matters a great deal. If the cop was black, or if Brown was white, we would never have heard of this case. And neither would Obama or Holder have heard of it, either.

 

[Ishmael]

Obviously, it shouldn't make a difference, but unfortunately, in the minds of many, including most black people, apparently, it matters a great deal. If the cop was black, or if Brown was white, we would never have heard of this case. And neither would Obama or Holder have heard of it, either.

Follow the money and the politics will be close behind.

Ishmael

 

[toubab]

Follow the money and the politics will be close behind.

Ishmael

I don't think money is an important factor in this case, or in what is happening around it. But my thinking has really changed since I started this thread, which surprises me. A lot of things have surprised me so far in this case, and it's very unusual for that to happen. I had everything figured out virtually every step of the way in the Zimmerman-Martin shooting, for example.

I originally thought the cop was likely to not only be indicted in this killing, but likely to be convicted, and likely to go to prison for a significant amount of time. I now think there's a good chance he won't even be indicted, much less convicted of anything. In fact, I now think there's almost no chance the cop will ever be convicted of murder in this case, and only a very slight chance he will ever be convicted of anything, which is not what I thought in the beginning.

EDIT: I just realized I shouldn't say what I just said, because Holder may bring federal civil rights charges, if the cop isn't indicted or convicted in Missouri. I wouldn't put it past him.

 

[magicalmoments]

Well at least they weren't members of the Kiwanis Club or Optimists. That's a relief.

We have Rotary and Lions as well! EEEEKKKKKKKKKKK!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I don't think money is an important factor in this case, or in what is happening around it. But my thinking has really changed since I started this thread, which surprises me. A lot of things have surprised me so far in this case, and it's very unusual for that to happen. I had everything figured out virtually every step of the way in the Zimmerman-Martin shooting, for example.

I originally thought the cop was likely to not only be indicted in this killing, but likely to be convicted, and likely to go to prison for a significant amount of time. I now think there's a good chance he won't even be indicted, much less convicted of anything. In fact, I now think there's almost no chance the cop will ever be convicted of murder in this case, and only a very slight chance he will ever be convicted of anything, which is not what I thought in the beginning.

EDIT: I just realized I shouldn't say what I just said, because Holder may bring federal civil rights charges, if the cop isn't indicted or convicted in Missouri. I wouldn't put it past him.

Holder hasn't prosecuted any civil rights cases that matter. I cant name one, anyways.

Politically blacks are in trouble. Theyre loud but too many are in prison or felons who cant vote. They lead the nation in abortions and murders of blacks. And plenty are too fucked up from addictions to vote, much less function. I suspect what Obama wants is a dismissal close to the election, to energize Democrats.

 

[toubab]

Holder hasn't prosecuted any civil rights cases that matter. I cant name one, anyways.

Politically blacks are in trouble. Theyre loud but too many are in prison or felons who cant vote. They lead the nation in abortions and murders of blacks. And plenty are too fucked up from addictions to vote, much less function. I suspect what Obama wants is a dismissal close to the election, to energize Democrats.

Holder made the unprecedented move of traveling to the small town of Ferguson, Missouri, as AG, in the early stages of what should have been a purely local investigation of a police shooting. Not a good sign he will stay out of this if it doesn't turn out the way he obviously wants it to turn out.

 

[about_average]

Actually they were all loyal members of the Democratic Party.

Oh Jesus.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I don't think money is an important factor in this case, or in what is happening around it. But my thinking has really changed since I started this thread, which surprises me. A lot of things have surprised me so far in this case, and it's very unusual for that to happen. I had everything figured out virtually every step of the way in the Zimmerman-Martin shooting, for example.

I originally thought the cop was likely to not only be indicted in this killing, but likely to be convicted, and likely to go to prison for a significant amount of time. I now think there's a good chance he won't even be indicted, much less convicted of anything. In fact, I now think there's almost no chance the cop will ever be convicted of murder in this case, and only a very slight chance he will ever be convicted of anything, which is not what I thought in the beginning.

EDIT: I just realized I shouldn't say what I just said, because Holder may bring federal civil rights charges, if the cop isn't indicted or convicted in Missouri. I wouldn't put it past him.

Finally, you agree with Day One A_J.



It was the story, and I knew it was a story, I knew what the goal of the story was and we see that the story has gone completely into Dan Rather territory. KOs top ten thread is the cherry on the pie...

 

[toubab]

Finally, you agree with Day One A_J.



It was the story, and I knew it was a story, I knew what the goal of the story was and we see that the story has gone completely into Dan Rather territory. KOs top ten thread is the cherry on the pie...

No, I'm not saying Tiffany Mitchell is wrong, and I'm certainly not saying she's lying. I'm just more open now to the possibility she's wrong, and I'm now aware of certain facts I wasn't aware of at first. I made some bad assumptions early on. I assumed the fact favorable information to the cop hadn't come out right away meant it probably didn't exist. I hadn't figured on stupidity or incompetence being the reason it hadn't come out.

 

[Ishmael]

No, I'm not saying Tiffany Mitchell is wrong, and I'm certainly not saying she's lying. I'm just more open now to the possibility she's wrong, and I'm now aware of certain facts I wasn't aware of at first. I made some bad assumptions early on. I assumed the fact favorable information to the cop hadn't come out right away meant it probably didn't exist. I hadn't figured on stupidity or incompetence being the reason it hadn't come out.

It's all politics and money now, the truth be damned.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No, I'm not saying Tiffany Mitchell is wrong, and I'm certainly not saying she's lying. I'm just more open now to the possibility she's wrong, and I'm now aware of certain facts I wasn't aware of at first. I made some bad assumptions early on. I assumed the fact favorable information to the cop hadn't come out right away meant it probably didn't exist. I hadn't figured on stupidity or incompetence being the reason it hadn't come out.

I see it this way.

My neighbor Psycho Squirrel is the bane of my existence. We hate each other with a psychotic and violent prejudice. I blame her for everything. But, here's the thing, she doesn't fuck with me ALL THE TIME. Sometimes shit happens by itself. And I keep it in mind.

I have no use for negroes, but I have less use for Canadians and almost all white members of the Brit persuasion. Totally worthless fucks...including the knuckle walking Irish.

 

[toubab]

It's all politics and money now, the truth be damned.

Ishmael

Mostly politics. And I doubt those of us who weren't there when the fatal shots were fired will ever know for sure exactly how those final seconds went down. The truth is going to be elusive on this one, it appears, since there apparently is no video as in the Powell shooting. Even that one, with a video, is not that easy to decipher, so solving all the mysteries of the Brown killing will undoubtedly remain unfathomable.

 

[Lancecastor]

I have no use for negroes, but I have less use for Canadians and almost all white members of the Brit persuasion. Totally worthless fucks...including the knuckle walking Irish.

How about Canadian Negroes?

 

[Ishmael]

Mostly politics. And I doubt those of us who weren't there when the fatal shots were fired will ever know for sure exactly how those final seconds went down. The truth is going to be elusive on this one, it appears, since there apparently is no video as in the Powell shooting. Even that one, with a video, is not that easy to decipher, so solving all the mysteries of the Brown killing will undoubtedly remain unfathomable.

Politics IS money, Jesse, Al, and Eric weren't there because they actually gave a shit.

Ishmael

 

[Busybody]

No, I'm not saying Tiffany Mitchell is wrong, and I'm certainly not saying she's lying. I'm just more open now to the possibility she's wrong, and I'm now aware of certain facts I wasn't aware of at first. I made some bad assumptions early on. I assumed the fact favorable information to the cop hadn't come out right away meant it probably didn't exist. I hadn't figured on stupidity or incompetence being the reason it hadn't come out.

Tee Wanna Brawlee

 

[toubab]

Politics IS money, Jesse, Al, and Eric weren't there because they actually gave a shit.

Ishmael

The two things are definitely closely related.

 

[eyer]

I look at these cases differently than most people. They virtually always turn out the way I think they will.

It doesn't take me very long to make a judgment on such cases....

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=59592242&postcount=90

I don't base my opinion on the race of anyone involved, including the witnesses. I'm basing it on years of experience. If you don't like my opinion, fine. You don't have to like it. We'll see how things turn out.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=59592968&postcount=109

I'm just giving my opinion based on past experience, having taken statements from many, many witnesses over many years. After a point, you learn when someone is being honest and when they are not. Or think you know. And when past experience has shown you are almost always right when you come to that conclusion, you have confidence in your ability to tell a good witness from a poor one.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=59595143&postcount=163

...my thinking has really changed since I started this thread, which surprises me. A lot of things have surprised me so far in this case, and it's very unusual for that to happen. I had everything figured out virtually every step of the way in the Zimmerman-Martin shooting, for example.

I originally thought the cop was likely to not only be indicted in this killing, but likely to be convicted, and likely to go to prison for a significant amount of time. I now think there's a good chance he won't even be indicted, much less convicted of anything. In fact, I now think there's almost no chance the cop will ever be convicted of murder in this case, and only a very slight chance he will ever be convicted of anything, which is not what I thought in the beginning.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=59719119&postcount=1381

It's amazing how many times I get told I lost a battle here, by people who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=59591438&postcount=68

Too friggin' funny...

 

[about_average]

No, I'm not saying Tiffany Mitchell is wrong, and I'm certainly not saying she's lying. I'm just more open now to the possibility she's wrong, and I'm now aware of certain facts I wasn't aware of at first. I made some bad assumptions early on. I assumed the fact favorable information to the cop hadn't come out right away meant it probably didn't exist. I hadn't figured on stupidity or incompetence being the reason it hadn't come out.

It will be interesting to see what the 12 witnesses' statements actually are.
Assuming for the sake of argument that Brown did assault Wilson in the car, where Wilson's freedom hinges is on if Brown was surrendering as Mitchell says, or was charging, as the hearsay so far made public claims.
If the former, then the shooting wasn't legal and Wilson's only hope is claiming that he was dazed and blinded by the beating and thought Brown was charging him.

 

[miles]

Politics IS money, Jesse, Al, and Eric weren't there because they actually gave a shit.

Ishmael

The Trayvon Dream Team.

 

[Ishmael]

The Trayvon Dream Team.

Like moths to a flame.

Ishmael

 

[about_average]

Too friggin' funny...

Speaking of too friggin' funny.
http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=59349858&postcount=3

 

[miles]

Like moths to a flame.

Ishmael

More like flies to a pile of shit.