2014 Negro Hunting Season in Missouri

[4est_4est_Gump]

According to the Missouri Revised Statutes:

Law enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest.

563.046. 1. A law enforcement officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to effect the arrest, or from efforts to prevent the escape from custody, of a person he reasonably believes to have committed an offense because of resistance or threatened resistance of the arrestee. In addition to the use of physical force authorized under other sections of this chapter, he is, subject to the provisions of subsections 2 and 3, justified in the use of such physical force as he reasonably believes is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or to prevent the escape from custody.

This is an affirmative defense, meaning the defendant has the burden of proving he "reasonably believed" it was necessary to shoot the kid, either to defend himself or the public.

First shot? Yeah; I can see that if the accounts of the incident are true. Second shot? Maybe. He's probably been trained to double-tap, and was no doubt scared shitless and relying on instinct.

Shots three through five? Wasn't the kid immobilized by the first two? If so, these were unjustifiable.

Shot six, the coup de gras to the forehead? No way Jose. If you did that you would be up for premeditated murder. As this cop should be, and probably won't be.

Yeah; he was scared and seriously pissed off. You still don't get to execute seriously wounded people.

He was clearly pulling to the left as the wounds show and this none of his shots had any stopping power. Originally, I figured adrenal responses being the cause but now I am leaning more towards the idea, having suffered pretty much the same injury myself as a bouncer, that he suffering from limited, blurred or double vision.

No, he probably was not immobilized at his size and under the influence by shots to the arm.

I've been stabbed in the arms and torso and it never slowed me down.

And I'm only about 6' 220lb at fighting weight...

This guy was 6'4" and 300lbs.

Scary dude, and the video shows us clearly that he knew it and was willing to use it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

He was clearly pulling to the left as the wounds show and this none of his shots had any stopping power. Originally, I figured adrenal responses being the cause but now I am leaning more towards the idea, having suffered pretty much the same injury myself as a bouncer, that he suffering from limited, blurred or double vision.No, he probably was not immobilized at his size and under the influence by shots to the arm.I've been stabbed in the arms and torso and it never slowed me down.And I'm only about 6' 220lb at fighting weight...This guy was 6'4" and 300lbs.Scary dude, and the video shows us clearly that he knew it and was willing to use it.

Not immobilized after 5 shots? That guy was a beast! A BEAST!

And you never pass up a chance to tell us what a tuff guy you used to be, before you got fat and got heart problems and "new moan ya" and stuff.

#BigScaryBlackMan

 

[Lancecastor]

Americans hate the black man.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Americans hate the black man.

True.

 

[jacktar48]

He was clearly pulling to the left as the wounds show and this none of his shots had any stopping power. Originally, I figured adrenal responses being the cause but now I am leaning more towards the idea, having suffered pretty much the same injury myself as a bouncer, that he suffering from limited, blurred or double vision.

No, he probably was not immobilized at his size and under the influence by shots to the arm.

I've been stabbed in the arms and torso and it never slowed me down.

And I'm only about 6' 220lb at fighting weight...

This guy was 6'4" and 300lbs.

Scary dude, and the video shows us clearly that he knew it and was willing to use it.

The key words are still "reasonably believed" and "immediately necessary." It's going to be up to a jury to decide that, unless this all gets swept under the rug with a plea-bargain, or outright dismissed.

If the kid had any kind of deadly weapon, it might be justifiable. But he didn't. Maybe the cop "reasonably believed" he did. You can be damned sure he's going to claim he did. But if he anticipates going to trial, he better have his lawyer plugging for a change of venue already to a place where the jury is not likely to be all black.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The key words are still "reasonably believed" and "immediately necessary." It's going to be up to a jury to decide that, unless this all gets swept under the rug with a plea-bargain, or outright dismissed.

If the kid had any kind of deadly weapon, it might be justifiable. But he didn't. Maybe the cop "reasonably believed" he did. You can be damned sure he's going to claim he did. But if he anticipates going to trial, he better have his lawyer plugging for a change of venue already to a place where the jury is not likely to be all black.

The kid was a deadly weapon, he proved that the instant he caved in the officer's eye.

I certainly would not begin proceedings against the officer.

If he had shot a white kid...



Who cares?

 

[Lancecastor]

Perhaps the cop will say he thought it was a nuclear cigar in his hand.

Chances are the cop won't be convicted of anything...they rarely are when they kill a black teenager.

 

[jacktar48]

Americans hate the black man.

You might include the word "many" ahead of that.

More significantly, many cops hate the public in general, particularly when they refuse to fall to their knees and beg for mercy.

And even then they may shoot you if they think they can get away with it.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Americans hate the black man.

Reduced to bumper stickers by the emerging story's deviance from the one you enjoyed?


You just know how Americans feel...



We're more likely to hate the fucking frogs in Paris...

 

[Lancecastor]

Here's stills of the alleged cigar robbery....BIG kid!

http://bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/08/brown-robbery.jpg

 

[RobDownSouth]

The kid was a deadly weapon, he proved that the instant he caved in the officer's eye.I certainly would not begin proceedings against the officer.If he had shot a white kid...
Who cares?

You want to know who cares, Chief?

Officer #GoFuckYourself of the Ferguson Police Dept.

He'll stick his loaded rifle in the face of any citizen that questions his authoritay!

 

[Lancecastor]

If this is true, Michael Brown becomes the black Kevin Ward.

Radio station KFNS-FM (100.7 FM, “The Viper”) of Troy, Missouri is reporting on its Facebook page a bombshell of a claim:


***BREAKING NEWS***
Remember, you saw it and heard it here first. We have heard (from a VERY connected national media source) that Ferguson officer Darren Wilson will be cleared in the shooting of Michael Brown. The key: Dorian Johnson has now admitted that Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson and attempted to take his gun. OFFICER WILSON WILL NOT BE CHARGED! This is scary. When this news is made official, we all have reason to be concerned about the reaction.

 

[adventrkupl]

Americans hate the black man.

Careful, your stupidity is showing.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Careful, your stupidity is showing.

Don't worry, kupcake, your position as the gold standard of stupidity on the General Board is safe.
:nods:

 

[Lancecastor]

Careful, your stupidity is showing.

I think Romney will win. I even think he'll come very close to winning Illinois.

ahahahaha!

 

[adventrkupl]

Americans hate the black man.

ahahahaha!

Quite relevant. Congratulations. What are you, 12 years old?

 

[Que]

The key words are still "reasonably believed" and "immediately necessary." It's going to be up to a jury to decide that, unless this all gets swept under the rug with a plea-bargain, or outright dismissed.

If the kid had any kind of deadly weapon, it might be justifiable. But he didn't. Maybe the cop "reasonably believed" he did. You can be damned sure he's going to claim he did. But if he anticipates going to trial, he better have his lawyer plugging for a change of venue already to a place where the jury is not likely to be all black.

The standard is not "reasonable believed he had a deadly weapon." Two large men struggling with him for his weapon is more than enough... if that is what happened.

Assuming he just thought it would be fun to shoot a large, menacing man...oops I mean a poor defenseless six foot plus 300 lb kid... in front of witnesses in broad daylight just because he hadn't had a shooting review board on his resume as you seem determined to believe, and assuming he wanted to lie, sticking with "they grabbed for my gun" would not only be smart it would not conflict with physical evidence.

Just because you don't hear nationally about every time a cop is found to have shot a white person with justification doesn't mean that somehow it is common for cops to indiscriminately gun down black kids. It is just common for EVERY shooting of a black suspect to be characterized as a racial incident. That being the case, there are likely few such shootings that don;t make national news so it seems far more common then it is.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The standard is not "reasonable believed he had a deadly weapon." Two large men struggling with him for his weapon is more than enough... if that is what happened.

Assuming he just thought it would be fun to shoot a large, menacing man...oops I mean a poor defenseless six foot plus 300 lb kid... in front of witnesses in broad daylight just because he hadn't had a shooting review board on his resume as you seem determined to believe, and assuming he wanted to lie, sticking with "they grabbed for my gun" would not only be smart it would not conflict with physical evidence.

Just because you don't hear nationally about every time a cop is found to have shot a white person with justification doesn't mean that somehow it is common for cops to indiscriminately gun down black kids. It is just common for EVERY shooting of a black suspect to be characterized as a racial incident. That being the case, there are likely few such shootings that don;t make national news so it seems far more common then it is.

AJ's got backup!

#BigScaryBlackMan

 

[Lancecastor]

Okay, so an unarmed fat 18 year old is "charging" you as you stand beside your police car with your weapon raised.

When he gets to 35 feet away, you fill him full of lead.

Q: where are you located?

A1: Libya
A2: Columbia
A3: Syria
A4: the USA

 

[chillywilly2]

According to the Missouri Revised Statutes:

Law enforcement officer's use of force in making an arrest.

563.046. 1. A law enforcement officer need not retreat or desist from efforts to effect the arrest, or from efforts to prevent the escape from custody, of a person he reasonably believes to have committed an offense because of resistance or threatened resistance of the arrestee. In addition to the use of physical force authorized under other sections of this chapter, he is, subject to the provisions of subsections 2 and 3, justified in the use of such physical force as he reasonably believes is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or to prevent the escape from custody.

This is an affirmative defense, meaning the defendant has the burden of proving he "reasonably believed" it was necessary to shoot the kid, either to defend himself or the public.

First shot? Yeah; I can see that if the accounts of the incident are true. Second shot? Maybe. He's probably been trained to double-tap, and was no doubt scared shitless and relying on instinct.

Shots three through five? Wasn't the kid immobilized by the first two? If so, these were unjustifiable.

Shot six, the coup de gras to the forehead? No way Jose. If you did that you would be up for premeditated murder. As this cop should be, and probably won't be.

Yeah; he was scared and seriously pissed off. You still don't get to execute seriously wounded people.

Some laws need changing..

I see no reason for a cop to have the right to kill somebody just for trying to get away from them.

The only reason they have the right is because some chickenshit politician made it a law to keep the public under control....free country, yeah right

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Okay, so an unarmed fat 18 year old is "charging" you as you stand beside your police car with your weapon raised.

When he gets to 35 feet away, you fill him full of lead.

Q: where are you located?

A1: Libya
A2: Columbia
A3: Syria
A4: the USA

Gee...,

Doubling down? An huge man has attacked you once, he has half-blinded you, he's coming back for you and you're supposed to offer him some conflict resolution rhetoric and a hug?

No RCM in his right mind would not shoot under similar circumstance.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Some laws need changing..

I see no reason for a cop to have the right to kill somebody just for trying to get away from them.

The only reason they have the right is because some chickenshit politician made it a law to keep the public under control....free country, yeah right

Is it okay if the perp has battered you once, halted his flight and turns and charges at you?



Or is every white cop for evermore required to holster his weapon and absorb the beating until a black cop can be summoned to the scene?

 

[Que]

You might include the word "many" ahead of that.

More significantly, many cops hate the public in general, particularly when they refuse to fall to their knees and beg for mercy.

And even then they may shoot you if they think they can get away with it.

Cops develop an "us vs them" mentality. You think the usual rabble-rousers present on this issue there are helping or hurting that dynamic? People that actually know this cop and his record I am sure have an opinion that is unassailable. If they think he might have done this wrong they will circle the wagons, sure. If they know he was a good cop, careful, and not prone to exacerbating situations, you know how hard it will be to get anyone BUT cowboys to serve in that department? That area is now permanently a crime-ridden slum. It will take generations to heal.

Over what MIGHT have been a justified shooting, inflamed because of race by those that like to see cities burn, evidently.

NO cop wants to go before a shooting review board, ever.

Does the profession attract power-hungry little tyrants? Sure. Do a lot of them live for little adrenaline-fueled car chases, foot-races and minor beat-downs? Sure.

Most cops never un-holster their weapon their entire career.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What will black communities do when they discover white cops will not work their and black cops are in short supply?



Hire Spike Lees' body guards?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Americans hate the black man.

Not all Americans.