New Witness to Michael Brown Shooting

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[RjThoughts]

I haven't read anything about a second autopsy. I have been pretty much tied up since early afternoon.

Michael Baden did one for the family, announced results to public.

 

[Dream59]

Second autopsy makes that weak on your part.

If you are talking about the one Baden did, he said there was no indication that the kid was shot with his back turned from the shooter, also on the likeness of a human body he marked no wounds to the back of the deceased. The assistant says the key words "may" and "no way to tell" but that differs just enough from what Baden says.

 

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[RjThoughts]

If you are talking about the one Baden did, he said there was no indication that the kid was shot with his back turned from the shooter, also on the likeness of a human body he marked no wounds to the back of the deceased. The assistant says the key words "may" and "no way to tell" but that differs just enough from what Baden says.

Test will be done on one bullet entry, the one that went from the top of the head, throw the jaw.....

 

[nowisthetime]

More than ever? You still can't sit at the lunch counter, have to use a different bathroom? I bet you look forward to getting the vote as well. (Why yes,that was sarcasm)

Nobody is supposed to be "swiftly punished". There is the whole "Due Process of Law" thing. You might look it up. It includes investigation, indictment, arraignment, trial and so many other lovely pieces. Designed with the intent that "it is better to let a hundred guilty parties go free than to send one innocent man to prison".

Your apparent desire to substitute mob rule for the rule of law does you no credit.

Yes used to be. It may still be happening but it is not acceptable to the majority of the public. More than ever? That is an insult to the many that died before your time.

Sometimes to protect and serve, unfortunately, means to kill someone.

The rest I agree with pretty much.

I should have said, "As ever". More subtle micro-aggressions, yet still persistent. There are still major disparities in the justice system, education, employment, and housing that continue to exist. For a while progress was being made, but they are quietly being set back and the wealth gap is increasing.

Let's pretend to believe that police corruption no longer exists under the Blue Code of Silence. For example, during the Rodney King beating case, the LAPD officers involved claimed the beating was lawful, yet it was not until the incident was released that it showed that the cops fabricated their stories. Then you have the Federal General Accounting Office (GAO) which found growing evidence of police involvement in drug sales and theft of drug money, including perjurized testimony of illegal searches. I do not believe all cops are villains, but it is not far-fetched to say that there are SOME who are corrupt and go unpunished by the law. It's not about a lynch mob mentality, it is about seeking justice.

 

[Balladeer08]

White IS a color....

I'm more pinkish, myself. Or a really light tan.

My eyeballs aren't even all that white.

 

[Disgustipated]

There's commentary on this video that supports Brown attacking the officer, right around 6 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKKWBNSqtS0&feature=youtu.be&t=6m1s

You're not even trying anymore.

 

[Balladeer08]

*shake my head*

Shake harder, I couldn't hear the rattle. 8)


(Really, isn't everyone getting tired of the SMH thing?)

 

[RjThoughts]

Shake harder, I couldn't hear the rattle. 8)


(Really, isn't everyone getting tired of the SMH thing?)

It's something I do in real life, why can't I do it here? Oh that's right, I'm not allowed

 

[Balladeer08]

It's something I do in real life, why can't I do it here? Oh that's right, I'm not allowed

Oh, you can do and say what you want. 1st Amendment and all that.

I just think it is boring and inarticulate to SMH instead of being able to string together words to explain what you are shaking your head about and why.

So I occasionally make fun of the SMH.

Because no matter how hard or often you shake it, the lice will still hold on. 8)

 

[RjThoughts]

Oh, you can do and say what you want. 1st Amendment and all that.

I just think it is boring and inarticulate to SMH instead of being able to string together words to explain what you are shaking your head about and why.

So I occasionally make fun of the SMH.

Because no matter how hard or often you shake it, the lice will still hold on. 8)

There are times when being silent and showing emotion with a gesture is best.

If I used my words, I would be told to shut up. Yes, I can be verbose.

 

[Paul_Chance]

Now, I'll editorialize a bit.

Can shoot someone who is giving up? The short answer is...it all depends. The real world is rarely a black and white place. In general, no, you shouldn't shoot someone who is surrendering. As other posters note - at this point in the investigation we have witnesses who say Mr. Brown was and witnesses who say he wasn't. As details emerge so will perceptions.

Can you shoot some who is charging you? Yep, you sure can, if you believe it is necessary to do so (and the state of mind of the officer is the relevant one). Anyone with experience in violence, as either a victim, a participant or an observer, can tell you that single punch or kick can cripple, disable, maim or kill a person. You can use Google and search for people killed with one punch if you're into that thing, there are videos.

Can a person feign surrendering in order to attempt to lure another person into complacency? Yep, and those with law enforcement experience will tell you it is not an uncommon gambit. Can a person put their hands up as if to surrender, then decide not to and attack? Yep, also not an uncommon event.

We have enough information to see the counter-narrative now (whether it will be validated or not is a question of time). The officer approaches the person. As the officer attempts to get out of his car, the individual slams the door on the officer (assault with a dangerous weapon), then follows up with a punch to the head/face of the officer (assault & battery, assault on a law enforcement officer), the person then attempts to grab the officers gun, they struggle, at one point in the struggle the person actually manages to twist the gun around enough to aim it at the officers hip. The officer regains control of the weapon sufficiently to point it away from himself and in the struggle the weapon discharges (assault with a deadly weapon, or attempted murder) testing on the hands of the officer and victim can verify this portion of the narrative, plus any physical evidence in the vehicle or the clothing). The subject starts to flee, the officer starts pursuit.

By now, the incident has escalated all the way to the top of the scale. The officer believes that the suspect is a very dangerous person, willing to assault and attempt to kill a police officer in broad daylight on a city street. Additionally, the person is big, strong, and fast. The person turns and charges the officer. The officer shoots. (With a 9mm semi-auto, six shots can be rippled off in a few seconds.) End result, a justified use of deadly force.

One of the things, from a legal standpoint, is that it is the officers point of view from which the reasonable man determination is resolved. So, knowing the counter-narrative, if you are capable of placing yourself in the officers position - what would you do?

I can only speak for myself but - slam a door on me, punch me, and try to wrest my gun from me and I can assure you I am in the state of mind that I am in mortal danger and will respond to perceived threatening behavior with sufficient force to end the threat immediately.

Time tells of course. As the complete narrative emerges, the picture becomes clearer. We may or may not elect to believe the parts we don't want to believe, but that is an individual thing. There are enough resources deployed in Ferguson now that that picture will doubtlessly be far more complete then many use of force/homicide investigations.

 

[Yudee_Three]

White IS a color....

And what color is that?

 

[Balladeer08]

There are times when being silent and showing emotion with a gesture is best.

If I used my words, I would be told to shut up. Yes, I can be verbose.

Glucose, fructose, sucrose... all are sugars.

So please, be verbose.

I have a sweet tooth. 8)

 

[RobDownSouth]

There are times when being silent and showing emotion with a gesture is best.

If I used my words, I would be told to shut up. Yes, I can be verbose.

:nods:

 

[Disgustipated]

And what color is that?

You're an idiot.

 

[RobDownSouth]

And what color is that?

<Vettemode>
The only color that matters, of course.
</Vettemode>

 

[Balladeer08]

Now, I'll editorialize a bit.

Excellent post.

 

[nowisthetime]

White IS a color....

And what color is that?

LOL!!!!

 

[Balladeer08]

:nods:

He keeps nodding. Is this sleepiness, heroin addiction, Parkinson's....???

Maybe we could all chip in to buy him a neck brace, and help him keep his head up.

8)

 

[Disgustipated]

8)

You keep doing this. Die in the Tar Pits.

 

[RobDownSouth]

He keeps nodding. Is this sleepiness, heroin addiction, Parkinson's....???

:shakes my head:

 

[Balladeer08]

You keep doing this. Die in the Tar Pits.

I need some way of indicating that I'm screwing around and not serious.

Can you suggest another?


Loved the tar pits reference. I'm a dinosaur! Hopefully a meat eater, I'd hate to become a vegetarian.

Salads. Bleh.

 

[Balladeer08]

:shakes my head:

It shakes, it nods.... weak neck muscles.

Send him to physical therapy!