New Witness to Michael Brown Shooting

[nowisthetime]

I happen to be about the same size as Brown was, and I recognize what he did as a strong arm robbery. He used his size to intimidate the store clerk and walk off with what he wanted. I don't condone that kind of thing.

The only relevance the robbery has to the shooting, other than the officer who stopped Brown may have known about the robbery before the shooting, is it shows Brown was capable of being aggressive and intimidating.

It's all speculation. Did the clerk notify the police? Ballistics will tell the truth, if the scummy cops don't try to cover that up as well.

 

[Disgustipated]

I've seen photos of the officer, and he wouldn't have stood a chance against Brown in a fight, in my opinion. That is, without using his firearm.

Size doesn't mean shit.

 

[toubab]

It's all speculation. Did the clerk notify the police? Ballistics will tell the truth, if the scummy cops don't try to cover that up as well.

Yes, the police were called, and apparently the officer who stopped Brown heard about the robbery on the radio before the shooting occurred. It's speculation, but my guess is the cop was trying to place Brown under arrest for the robbery and Brown resisted. The question is whether or not Brown was surrendering before the final shot or shots. If he was, that would be murder. If he wasn't, possible self defense by the cop.

 

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[Balladeer08]

If you look at the tape objectively it looks like a normal transaction and then something goes wrong. There is an argument and it escalates. Dorian actually placed the ones Mike handed him back on the counter.

Total speculation on my part but I'm thinking the clerk was charging more than he thought they should cost and he gave him what he felt they should cost.

Another rumor is that the store said they never called police. If that's true it makes sense the issue was about how much he paid. Or maybe he got mad and said fuck you and just took them.

Nobody knows, pure speculation. But let's go with the smear campaign for justifying killing 'another black brute', yes?

If the people were angry enough to riot, then that tells you there has been a strong undercurrent brewing in this community for such a long time as with all riots in human history. I don't condone looting, but it occurs in many riots.

That looked like a normal transaction to you? Glad I don't live in your neighborhood. We'll have to disagree on that point.

I also like the "looting occurs in many riots". I can't think of one where it didn't, could you enlighten me? I'm pretty sure that "many" is an understatement, "most" is pretty much as sure thing, and "almost all" would not be exaggerating much if at all.

 

[miles]

Did anybody else see the video of Brown committing a strong-arm robbery at the liquor store?

What is his height/weight? He looked huge.

Some in the media were calling him a gentle giant.

 

[toubab]

Size doesn't mean shit.

Which is why they don't have weight divisions in boxing, MMA, etc.

 

[RjThoughts]

Yes, the police were called, and apparently the officer who stopped Brown heard about the robbery on the radio before the shooting occurred. It's speculation, but my guess is the cop was trying to place Brown under arrest for the robbery and Brown resisted. The question is whether or not Brown was surrendering before the final shot or shots. If he was, that would be murder. If he wasn't, possible self defense by the cop.

Ferguson police chief said NO

 

[Balladeer08]

It's all speculation. Did the clerk notify the police? Ballistics will tell the truth, if the scummy cops don't try to cover that up as well.

I think "the scummy cops" says at that needs to be said about your position on these issues.

Out of curiosity, are you a Tranzi?

 

[toubab]

Ferguson police chief said NO

Ferguson police chief said no, then said yes. But he doesn't know much, obviously. Extremely incompetent.

 

[Balladeer08]

Some in the media were calling him a gentle giant.

Didn't look all that gentle when he shoved the store clerk aside and then advanced on him threateningly.

But this is proceeding in the normal manner of these things. One side tries to vilify him, the other tries to deify him.

Can't think of anyone who isn't somewhere in between. Even Hitler liked puppies and flowers.

 

[nowisthetime]

Yes, the police were called, and apparently the officer who stopped Brown heard about the robbery on the radio before the shooting occurred. It's speculation, but my guess is the cop was trying to place Brown under arrest for the robbery and Brown resisted. The question is whether or not Brown was surrendering before the final shot or shots. If he was, that would be murder. If he wasn't, possible self defense by the cop.

And that is where ballistics will step in. Personally, I think the police went to the convenience store and got that tape well after the fact. That police report is suspicious since it names Dorian and Mike as suspects AFTER Dorian gave statements of their whereabouts.

So basically they went to the store looking for a motive for their killer cop. Not because a distraught store owner called about a robbery.

There is no way they knew about this, regardless of who it was, until later that night. The report was labeled 11:51am and Mike and Dorian supposedly walked in at 11:52:38. Argument started a minute later.

The police in that community are some kind of clairvoyants.

 

[toubab]

And that is where ballistics will step in. Personally, I think the police went to the convenience store and got that tape well after the fact. That police report is suspicious since it names Dorian and Mike as suspects AFTER Dorian gave statements of their whereabouts.

So basically they went to the store looking for a motive for their killer cop. Not because a distraught store owner called about a robbery.

There is no way they knew about this, regardless of who it was, until later that night. The report was labeled 11:51am and Mike and Dorian supposedly walked in at 11:52:38. Argument started a minute later.

The police in that community are some kind of clairvoyants.

If you watch the store tape carefully, the store clerk gets on the phone immediately after Brown walked out with the cigars. It's reasonable to assume he was calling the cops.

 

[Balladeer08]

If you watch the store tape carefully, the store clerk gets on the phone immediately after Brown walked out with the cigars. It's reasonable to assume he was calling the cops.

No, no, no. Aren't you listening to her? He was calling his boss to report he had completed a normal transaction. (rolls eyes)

 

[nowisthetime]

If you watch the store tape carefully, the store clerk gets on the phone immediately after Brown walked out with the cigars. It's reasonable to assume he was calling the cops.

And the police released the video despite being told not to by the justice department to smear the boy. The boy got shot and left for dead for four hours. Again, ballistics will show the truth.

 

[toubab]

And the police realized the video despite being told not to by the justice department to smear the boy. The boy got shot and left for dead for four hours. Again, ballistics will show the truth.

What do you expect ballistics to tell us that will answer the important questions in this shooting?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

And the police realized the video despite being told not to by the justice department to smear the boy. The boy got shot and left for dead for four hours. Again, ballistics will show the truth.

The boy is Satans bitch now.

 

[nowisthetime]

I think "the scummy cops" says at that needs to be said about your position on these issues.

Out of curiosity, are you a Tranzi?

No, are you a cop?

 

[Disgustipated]

Which is why they don't have weight divisions in boxing, MMA, etc.

You really need to know stuff you talk about.

 

[nowisthetime]

What do you expect ballistics to tell us that will answer the important questions in this shooting?

The ballistics and autopsy will tell if he was shot in the back. It will clear whether the shooting was justified, as you said. An independent autopsy should also be performed to prevent a coverup.

 

[toubab]

You really need to know stuff you talk about.

SMDH.

 

[Balladeer08]

Here's another thing that annoys me about the way these situations play out.

"The police shot..."

Well, no. A policeman shot... It wasn't a decision made by the entire department, I doubt that the officer pulling the trigger consulted with anyone else at all.

And the people who say that will pretend that the difference is not significant.

So let's try the other way around and see how it sounds to them.

"Blacks robbed the liquor store".

Well, no. Michael Brown robbed the liquor store. It wasn't a decision made by the entire black community, or even the black community within a 2-block area. I doubt that he consulted anyone else on it. Well, possibly his two friends that were there with him.

The point is, you should not use the same brush to tar all members of any group for the actions of an individual.

If you do believe that "the police shot", then you are validating the actions of the criminals who shot at uninvolved police officers in "retaliation". Which is what escalated the whole thing so terribly.

The desire for instant answers and action is unrealistic. Investigating an incident takes time.

Interesting how some people who object to lynch law being applied to them are so willing to apply it to police officers. Doesn't show much of a commitment to the rule of law.

 

[Balladeer08]

No, are you a cop?

Just to be clear, do you know what a Tranzi is?

 

[toubab]

The ballistics and autopsy will tell if he was shot in the back. It will clear whether the shooting was justified, as you said. An independent autopsy should also be performed to prevent a coverup.

The cop could justify shooting Brown in the back as he was fleeing. He cannot justify shooting him at all if the witnesses are correct who say Brown had stopped fleeing, had turned around and had held his hands up, and then was shot dead.

 

[RjThoughts]

The cop could justify shooting Brown in the back as he was fleeing. He cannot justify shooting him at all if the witnesses are correct who say Brown had stopped fleeing, had turned around and had held his hands up, and then was shot dead.

There's no justification for the cop for shooting a suspect in the back. He was fleeing, yes, but the cop was NOT in fear for his life at that time, right?